X1800XT crossfire vs 7800GTX sli (updated with price comparison)

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tuteja1986

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Need processional opinions and no fanboy stuff :!
Some reviews
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2649
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_radeon_x1800xt_vt2d512e/
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4112


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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------A Good ATI CROSSFIRE SETUP--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
well a sapphire x1800xt ome cost $489.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102629

well a crossfire at new eggs is selling at $569 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102655

ASUS A8R-MVP cost $139.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131584

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102624 for $519 after a $50 rebate if you want retail package >>>

X1800XT Crossfire setup can cost $1197



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------A Good Nvidia SLI Setup-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-D Socket 939 cost $165.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136158

eVGA 7800GTX 256MB cost $459.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130254

7800GTX SLI setup can cost $1083

SLI setup can be cheaper by buying a cheaper motherboard + cheaper 7800GTX but i wanted to included a decent SLI setup so don't flame me ;(

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http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2617&p=8 as you can see here the A8R-MVP can easily be keep and beat A8N32-SLI
"Asus A8R-MVP was at or near the top in every game test, both our standard suite and the newest game tests. This was frankly a bit surprising, since we just recently found top gaming performance with the Asus A8N32-SLI, based on the new NVIDIA Dual x16 chipset"

but Asus A8N32-SLI is really featured motherboard and i would love to buy but i live in australia and the price is about $370AUD and a Asus A8R-MVP can be bought for $200AUD
"http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=A8N32"

Crossfire is great but i would want more motherboard for crossfire to be released ;( But i must say if you don't play game alot then don't buy sli or crossfire or its just a waste of money $$$$ ... and if you "Have any problem with SLI setup i have listed , just pm me or post what i should have listed instead. :) but NO flamming"
 
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It seems it performs slightly better than the 7800GTX SLi and slightly worse than the 512MB (at 75% of the cost of 512MB SLi)... but what the hell is up with B&W2? Did they program it with rediculous nvidia bias? Even doom3 isn't that bad.
 
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tuteja1986

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nah... ATI fixed the huge cap in open gl with memory tweak or something :! that happened with the CAT 5.12. ATI driver have been getting better and better. but the main problem with ati is that they haven't launched with good stock availability
 
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overall i see goodpoints and bad points. But the Super AA has got to be an excelent point.
 
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Originally posted by: Wreckage
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/radeon-x1800-crossfire/index.x?pg=1

You can get a pair of GTX's for up to $250 less that do as well or better. No too mention it's actually available.
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Geez Wreckage- it's launch DAY??!!

You've been around long enough to know that with ATI, that means "The day we'll let people review it, because sometime in the near future we expect to have some cards to sell". Get with the program dude!

Seriously, looks about like what we'd expect:
1. Little faster than SLI 256 GTXs, little slower than SLI 512GTXs. Undoubtedly fans of ATI will post "ATI domination of the card the XT is meant to compete because now it only costs a little more! Never mind the half year later launch with previously unavailable RAM and double the RAM!" Fans of nVidia will post "nVidia domination of the card the the 512 GTX was meant to compete with, the 512 costs more because it's worth more, and nVidia can't help Samsung supply issues!"

Smart people will realize performance is stacked in order of price, and make their choice accordingly.

2. As I predicted, Crossfire is still going through the teething stage SLI did at first. (although I had no issues with it)
Of particular concern to me:
There isn't as much capacity for customization of how CrossFire affects a particular game. Sure, we could probably figure out how to perform some sort of registry hack to force CrossFire to enable a specific mode, but NVIDIA's drop down menu is so much more efficient. I do agree that it is usually best to let the driver and application figure out what to do, but clearly there are some cases where things can go wrong.
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And above all of this looms the shadow of availability. After an early morning look around, it doesn't look good. Some vendors have X1800 CrossFire Edition cards listed on their site, but they are all showing out of stock, back ordered, or early January ETAs on parts.
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Performance overall looks good though, with SuperAA especially promising. I don't think hobbyists buying a setup like this (especially one with hokey master cards and thick external bridge cables) are necessarily expecting a flawless, out of box and everything works experience.

ATIs only problem is that is pretty much what you get with SLI these days, bringing their first "acceptable" multi gpu solution to market 13 months after nVidia is pretty pathetic when you think about it. (especially for a company that is supposedly experts in this sort of thing from their commercial business)
 
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Typical responses from some worthless posters.

Typical worthless AT review, again. AT's reviews have goen down hill from one of the top, to one of the lowest. No AF, no Super/SLI AA, etc. Of course they mention ATi's problems with getting cards out, and keeping them out. Yet not one word on the severe lack of availablity, and sky high prices of the 512MB GTX's. I want my 10 minutes back from that "review".
 
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rollo, are you healthy? That was a very good, completely unbiased post...

I'm wondering two things:
A) how will RD480 affect for performance of this platform, and

B) will crossfire double the avivo encoding ability? Because that would make this the ultimate gaming/multimedia device.
 
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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Typical responses from some worthless posters.

Typical worthless AT review, again. AT's reviews have goen down hill from one of the top, to one of the lowest. No AF, no Super/SLI AA, etc. Of course they mention ATi's problems with getting cards out, and keeping them out. Yet not one word on the severe lack of availablity, and sky high prices of the 512MB GTX's. I want my 10 minutes back from that "review".
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I havent noticed that until you just pointed it now, reading that review again ive just noticed that their reviews have gone down hill.
 
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Ackmed

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I have no idea how they can not use AF, in any of their tests. This is just beyond silly (being nice). Then they dont even show Super/SLI AA. I use SLI AA whenever I can. And Crossfire does a MUCH better job at SuperAA, than NV does as SLI AA. And those tests are with 512MB GTX's, and they do not include the 256MB's in SLI.
 
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Originally posted by: Ackmed
I have no idea how they can not use AF, in any of their tests. This is just beyond silly (being nice). Then they dont even show Super/SLI AA. I use SLI AA whenever I can. And Crossfire does a MUCH better job at SuperAA, than NV does as SLI AA. And those tests are with 512MB GTX's, and they do not include the 256MB's in SLI.
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Yea it seems they keep it to the bare minimum on testing while other sites like Firingsquad do about 20 million game benchmarks with every conceivable resolution and AA and AF. And many other sites do that as well.

Also on your point about availibility of the cards and bias also. Its quite subtle but noticeable. But at the same time it seems contradictory because they say the X1800XT Crossfire does well against the 512GTX and then say nothing about how the 512GTX are getting worse in supply and openly say the X1800XT Crossfire are no where to be seen or there are very little availibility. So its wierd the bias seems to be topsy turvy.
 
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Ackmed

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Yep, they mention one, but not the other. Just another point of a bad review.
 
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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
B) will crossfire double the avivo encoding ability? Because that would make this the ultimate gaming/multimedia device.
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^^^^
I'd really like to know that lol
 
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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Typical responses from some worthless posters.
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Don't be so hard on yourself.

I thought the Tech Report article was pretty good. I like that they include Guild Wars. Not a graphically intense game but still a new game that a lot of people play.
 
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Ackmed

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Originally posted by: fierydemise
Ackmed weren't there X1800XT crossfire boards in stock somewhere a few weeks ago?
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Last week, yes. MonarchPC had them.

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Typical responses from some worthless posters.
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Don't be so hard on yourself.

I thought the Tech Report article was pretty good. I like that they include Guild Wars. Not a graphically intense game but still a new game that a lot of people play.
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I was talking about this post of yours;
Originally posted by: Wreckage

You can get a pair of GTX's for up to $250 less that do as well or better. No too mention it's actually available.
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You see, like many, you call out one cards lack of availability, yet disregard the other. Care to tell me where I can get a 512MB GTX? The XT is about $250 less, and it's actually available.


 
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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Ackmed weren't there X1800XT crossfire boards in stock somewhere a few weeks ago?
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Last week, yes. MonarchPC had them.
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So then its like the 512MB GTX available before release day then poof for who knows how long
 
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Originally posted by: Ackmed
You see, like many, you call out one cards lack of availability, yet disregard the other. Care to tell me where I can get a 512MB GTX? The XT is about $250 less, and it's actually available.
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There are no XT mastercards yet, that monarch post was proven by way of stock number to be just a regular XT. ATI even stated that they have been delayed due to some customs dongle delay.

Who needs a 512GTX when a 256GTX keeps up just fine with a 512XT at a $200-$300 or more savings? And you get get retail cards with lifetime warranties, instead of "bulk" cards with little or no warranty and nothing else to go along with it.

 
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Ya, who needs SuperAA, HQAF, better performance, and newer features? We got shiny colorful green boxes with lifetime warranty on the gtx's, that's what counts!
 
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