X1800XT breaks 10000 in 3DMark 05

[fierydemise]

I looked for this and saw no mention of it so I hope its not a repost, anyway here.
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I know the X1800XT isn't available yet but this shows it to be a decent overclocker want to here other peoples take on this.

 

[route66]

My dog speaks English.

Don't all dogs?

I must have gotten a good one.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: route66
My dog speaks English.

Don't all dogs?

I must have gotten a good one.

:thumbsup:

 

[nRollo]

Here's my take:

ATI has no X1800XTs to sell you and is losing money.

ATI paper launches the X1800XT, then gives some "select OCers" some golden sample cards and drivers the rest of the world will never see that are tweaked for 3DMark05.

The "select OCers" OC, post some really great 3DMarks, ATI fans who have been getting way tired of waiting say "Oooooohhh! I'm gonna OC mine like that and break 10K too!" and wait 2 more months for the card.

Sound plausible?

Still, currently there is a problem with overclocking of ATI?s new products by mainstream enthusiasts. Only a handful of well-known overclockers have received a special tool that can boost the speed of the RADEON X1800-series.

Jinkies. If only I could be a well known OCer and get the "special tool"! (errr, wait a minute, I guess I'll pass on that one....)

 

[jim1976]

Big deal..

Anyway what 10k r u talkin about? Shampsa has this score for fun

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Here's my take:

<snip>

Lost interest right there.

We all know what you're take is going to be. No need to read it again. You're nothing but a broken record.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo
Here's my take:

<snip>

Lost interest right there.

We all know what you're take is going to be. No need to read it again. You're nothing but a broken record.

rofl :laugh:

 

[johnnqq]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Here's my take:

ATI has no X1800XTs to sell you and is losing money.

ATI paper launches the X1800XT, then gives some "select OCers" some golden sample cards and drivers the rest of the world will never see that are tweaked for 3DMark05.

The "select OCers" OC, post some really great 3DMarks, ATI fans who have been getting way tired of waiting say "Oooooohhh! I'm gonna OC mine like that and break 10K too!" and wait 2 more months for the card.

Sound plausible?

Still, currently there is a problem with overclocking of ATI?s new products by mainstream enthusiasts. Only a handful of well-known overclockers have received a special tool that can boost the speed of the RADEON X1800-series.

Jinkies. If only I could be a well known OCer and get the "special tool"! (errr, wait a minute, I guess I'll pass on that one....)

haha even if it's still a better card, it's always worse than nvidia!

 

[5150Joker]

I don't understand why you guys are hating on Rollo. He's telling it like it is. All ATi fans keep drooling for a phantom card that select OC'ers have via a SPECIAL oc'ing tool to get 3dmark05 scores for marketing purposes. Do X1800XL owners have access to this cool ATi tool? Nope. Yeah you guys might get lucky and pay $600 for one sometime in November. I hope your dreams aren't dashed if nVidia happens to release something better around that timeframe because that will entail waiting 6+ more months for another ATi paper miracle.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo
Here's my take:

<snip>

Lost interest right there.

We all know what you're take is going to be. No need to read it again. You're nothing but a broken record.

qft

 

[M0RPH]

Overclocking can be done right now on X1800XLs. Someone posted their overclocking results recently. The XT is not released yet so it doesn't matter if any OC tool is available. I'm guessing it will be released to the public eventually.

It's just funny how Rollo has to show up in any thread that has anything remotely positive to say about ATI and crap on it.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Overclocking can be done right now on X1800XLs. Someone posted their overclocking results recently. The XT is not released yet so it doesn't matter if any OC tool is available. I'm guessing it will be released to the public eventually.

It's just funny how Rollo has to show up in any thread that has anything remotely positive to say about ATI and crap on it.

There is a special ATi tool used by Sampsa that OC'd the XL and XT cards (far beyond what CCC allows). In addition, it also alters the voltages of those cards (so no hardware mod needed). ATi has only released this tool to it's select marketing OC'ers like Sampsa, hence my comments.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I don't understand why you guys are hating on Rollo. He's telling it like it is. All ATi fans keep drooling for a phantom card that select OC'ers have via a SPECIAL oc'ing tool to get 3dmark05 scores for marketing purposes. Do X1800XL owners have access to this cool ATi tool? Nope. Yeah you guys might get lucky and pay $600 for one sometime in November. I hope your dreams aren't dashed if nVidia happens to release something better around that timeframe because that will entail waiting 6+ more months for another ATi paper miracle.

LOL

You can tell'em but they won't listen dude.

If nVidia did this they'd be posting the same thing I did, but since Saint ATI, Patron Saint of the Eternally Hopeful, did it, the answer is to shout "Death to Rollo! Blessed be Saint ATI!" and then look for a hockey rink to pray for the "special tool" at.

"Our Father
Who art in Canada
Hallowed be thy name
Thy Vista come
Thy will be done
On Earth as it is in Ontario"

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

There is a special ATi tool used by Sampsa that OC'd the XL and XT cards (far beyond what CCC allows). In addition, it also alters the voltages of those cards (so no hardware mod needed). ATi has only released this tool to it's select marketing OC'ers like Sampsa, hence my comments.

There was a guy here who overclocked his XL using ATI Tool. I don't feel like searching for the thread right now, but I do remember that he got a significant overclock. No special tool from ATI needed.

Edit: BTW, in case you're not familiar, ATI Tool is a 3rd party utility, not from ATI.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

There is a special ATi tool used by Sampsa that OC'd the XL and XT cards (far beyond what CCC allows). In addition, it also alters the voltages of those cards (so no hardware mod needed). ATi has only released this tool to it's select marketing OC'ers like Sampsa, hence my comments.

There was a guy here who overclocked his XL using ATItool. I don't feel like searching for the thread right now, but I do remember that he got a significant overclock. No special tool from ATI needed.

Edit: BTW, in case you're not familiar, ATI Tool is a 3rd party utility, not from ATI.

Yes I know what ATi tool is and who makes it. Problem is Wizzard still hasn't been given the knowledge of how to access voltage changes made by this specially released OC'ing tool that ATi developed for it's marketing overclockers (sampsa and macci). If he did figure out how to finally change the XL's clocks, thats nice but I don't think ATi helped much in that regard.

BTW check this out: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=39718&postcount=123

Quite an interesting read about ATi's new X1800XL and their stellar software and hardware.

 

[M0RPH]

The XL/XT cards are going to be overclockable without any voltage increases. Probably just as overclockable as the 7800 cards are.

Now if ATI were to release this tool for changing voltage that would really be a bonus for overclockers, but I don't know if anyone really expects them to. To put something like that in the hands of average users might be a support nightmare. I certainly don't think they're obligated to give it to everyone just because a few guys used it in some extreme overclocking experiments. It's not like Nvidia is providing something like this.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
The XL/XT cards are going to be overclockable without any voltage increases. Probably just as overclockable as the 7800 cards are.

Now if ATI were to release this tool for changing voltage that would really be a bonus for overclockers, but I don't know if anyone really expects them to. To put something like that in the hands of average users might be a support nightmare. I certainly don't think they're obligated to give it to everyone just because a few guys used it in some extreme overclocking experiments. It's not like Nvidia is providing something like this.

You're right, nVidia isn't provding anything like this but then again it isn't releasing special tools that enable voltage changes to select overclockers to promote a yet-to-be-released card either. Additionally, I don't recall any nVidia card (even the 5800U) having the sort of problems the X1800XL has so far (click the link in the post I made before this).

 

[M0RPH]

Well this is from a user here named rcabor: thread

Using a new version of ATI Tool from w1zzard, it reports temps 20C lower than CCC. I was able to overclock to 575 core and 550 mem(both are the max of CCC). I score 7850 3dmarks05. I know I have a lot more room when someone releases a tool with no overclock limits.. :0

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x2 4400@2.5 1.45v
ocz 2x512 2-2-2-5
Antec tp2 480w
X800xl (testing x1800xl)
dell 2005fpw

So while that one person you pointed out is having a bad experience, doesn't seem like everyone is.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Well this is from a user here name rcabor:

Using a new version of ATI Tool from w1zzard, it reports temps 20C lower than CCC. I was able to overclock to 575 core and 550 mem(both are the max of CCC). I score 7850 3dmarks05. I know I have a lot more room when someone releases a tool with no overclock limits.. :0

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x2 4400@2.5 1.45v
ocz 2x512 2-2-2-5
Antec tp2 480w
X800xl (testing x1800xl)
dell 2005fpw

So while that one person you pointed out is having a bad experience, doesn't seem like everyone is.

Two others at HardOCP reported high temps with this card as well. In fact, one of them had his watercooled and it still idled at ~65C! Oh and you just reaffirmed what I was saying all along, that you need ATi's special tool to get a decent OC out of the XL since even ATi tool users are limited to the same OC as the CCC.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: M0RPH
The XL/XT cards are going to be overclockable without any voltage increases. Probably just as overclockable as the 7800 cards are.

Now if ATI were to release this tool for changing voltage that would really be a bonus for overclockers, but I don't know if anyone really expects them to. To put something like that in the hands of average users might be a support nightmare. I certainly don't think they're obligated to give it to everyone just because a few guys used it in some extreme overclocking experiments. It's not like Nvidia is providing something like this.

You're right, nVidia isn't provding anything like this but then again it isn't releasing special tools that enable voltage changes to select overclockers to promote a yet-to-be-released card either. Additionally, I don't recall any nVidia card (even the 5800U) having the sort of problems the X1800XL has so far (click the link in the post I made before this).

You are just not understanding what that guy is really saying 5150:

He's trying to thank ATI for the toasty computer room on cold winter nights, and for the white noise of the fan, which drives away household pests.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Two others at HardOCP reported high temps with this card as well. In fact, one of them had his watercooled and it still idled at ~65C! Oh and you just reaffirmed what I was saying all along, that you need ATi's special tool to get a decent OC out of the XL since even ATi tool users are limited to the same OC as the CCC.

500->575 isn't a decent overclock? Give it a little time and the OC tools will support these cards just as they do any other ATI card. There's no need for spreading FUD, as you accuse ATI of in your sig.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo

You are just not understanding what that guy is really saying 5150:

He's trying to thank ATI for the toasty computer room on cold winter nights, and for the white noise of the fan, which drives away household pests.

Rollo, why don't you take your own advice and go spend some time playing FEAR and Quake 4? That'll take a little pressure off you from having to sit around for hours on end trying to come up with all these clever ATI insults.

 

[5150Joker]

How have I spread FUD, Morph? I've backed up what I said with a link directly to ATi Tools homepage with a user's experience. You went above and beyond the duty of even helping me in that regard by posting that AT users OC experience using ATi tool which was still hampered by the same OC limitations as CCC. Furthermore, in that link I provided of the XL having problems, the user mentions he isn't alone and that many others like him had the same issues (including the 2 guys at HardOCP). So I fail to see how anything I said could be viewed as FUD unless you view factual statements that don't show ATi in a positive light as FUD.

 

[route66]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
The XL/XT cards are going to be overclockable without any voltage increases. Probably just as overclockable as the 7800 cards are.

Now if ATI were to release this tool for changing voltage that would really be a bonus for overclockers, but I don't know if anyone really expects them to. To put something like that in the hands of average users might be a support nightmare. I certainly don't think they're obligated to give it to everyone just because a few guys used it in some extreme overclocking experiments. It's not like Nvidia is providing something like this.

First, it will overclock higher with higher voltages - anyone knows that, even you. That's why it's significant that ATI doesn't release this to the public.

Second, these cherry picked XTs are probably special reference board that actually have the extra hardware that lets software change the voltage. Retail XTs probably will not have this hardware, and will not overclock as high as the article posted in the OP. So while everyone is getting hot over this great benchmark, no body will actually see it in the real world.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Good score; possibly a cherry picked core. We will see how a retail boxed cards do next month.