Prices aren't like that in the US, where this poll originated.
You raise an interesting point though, I wonder how many Canadians end up with ATI cards because lack of import taxes makes them comparably priced?
Originally posted by: nfamous
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I voted for the XL just piss Rollo off
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
I don't care if every single one of you votes ATI if that's what you feel the better buy is. The net effect to me is the same, not like I have any 7800GTs for sale?
Rollo, I want to make a correction to your poll. The prices you've listed here are not available to everyone. For example, as you've seen above, the prices are different for Canadians. Therefore, everyone should answer this poll based on what the cards actually cost them where they live.
Now, in light of these corrections, I wonder if I should make a new thread and poll. Nah, that would be silly and ridiculous.
Now, in light of these corrections, I wonder if I should make a new thread and poll. Nah, that would be silly and ridiculous.
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linking to tigerdirect should be a bannable offense.
zzf seems to have the best price of reputable retailers.
of course, if you haven't bought CoD2 yet, might as well go for newegg
zzf seems to have the best price of reputable retailers.
of course, if you haven't bought CoD2 yet, might as well go for newegg
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One thing to remember is the GTX MSRP was $600. Anyone here think the MSRP on the 512 GTX (maybe higher clocked ultra) is going to be $550? I didn't think so.
Also wanted to say - if I understand Crazydingos point - is if the reference 512MB "GTX" has faster core and or mem clocks it will not be called a GTX but possibly an ultra.
In recent years neither company has released two reference boards under the same name with different specs, except for the amount of memory. Remember the 6800 Ultra 256 and 512 had the same name but when they "released" an Ultra with faster core clocks they called it the 6800 Ultra Extreme.
If they do call the new 512mb board a 7800 GTX and it has faster clocks thats going to be a real problem for the consumer. I can see folks getting very upset when they buy the crappy 430/1200 256mb GTX when they actually wanted the 550/1500 512mb GTX (or whatever the latest numbers folks have pulled out of their ..........). I seem to remember Saphire doing this with their 9800 "PRO" which was really an SE and getting reamed for it.
A few things:
1. Most of us who bought "crappy" GTXs knew someday nVidia/their OEMs would release better models- sort of the way it works?
2. Anyone dumb enough to buy a 256MB card when they wanted a 512MB card, sort of deserves it, I'm sure vendors will mark them accordingly. When you go to the Ford store looking for a Mustang with a V8 in it, you don't start spinning in circles howling "What do I do?" when you see there are no Mustangs with "Mustang V8" painted on the side?
3. Something rings a bit off with me when I see a man with a 9600 in his box describe the best video card in the world you can buy as "crappy". This is not meant to be an attack on your system, but your post is the equivalent of the Hyundai owner posting "Those BMWs are crappy" on a car forum. You're within your rights to do it of course, but to me it sounds odd, and it does sort of insult all the 7800GTX owners, don't you think?
I agree, except that KIA is the best carmaker EVAH! LOL.
I have a 7800 GTX and people keep telling me on this forum how I wasted my money... I guess I do not feel that way, even after a bakers dozen try to tell me otherwise :-/ It sure beat my 9600 Pro! that is for sure.
I still haven't seen a better still picture than that of the X1800XL - It just looks better.
Too bad the X1300 and X1600 are so disapointing..:-(
I would like to see X800GTO vs 6800GT stills..is there a big AA/AF difference there?
($200 is about what I'd pay for video..maybe $250)
Seems Nvidia has the FPS/Speed per dollar edge and ATI the quality/clarity edge.
I admit I'm an ATI fan but the ATI shots seem more what I'm used to...
(Maybe pleasing is just what you are used to..or part of it)
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No problem - the crappy part was more an ironic thing than the current GTX being actually crappy obviously the GTX is the currently reigning king.
However:
on 1. you and the current GTX owners are not the ones Nvidia needs to be concerned about. It's joe blow going into Fry's and trying to buy the best gaming card out there and having to figure out that there is a Fast GTX and a slightly less fast GTX (hope thats clear because insulting GTX owners was not my intention. Things don't always come across right on a forum - just consider it a little ribbing
) It will be confusing. Which leads me to point 2.2. I've been at Frys and had to help a kid and his dad who were trying to build a high end gaming box understand the difference between the 256mb 5700 ultra they had picked up and the 256mb X850XT in pcie no less that they were looking at. If they were having problems differentiating those two level of cards just think about trying to differentiate between 2 GTXs with different clocks
Nvidias marketing dept won't let them put out a reference card with substantially different clocks and call it a GTX - a 7850 GTX or 7800 Ultra sure but not 7800 GTX unless the only difference is the amount of RAM.
as to 3. well I've enjoyed my 9600XT but am now in the market for something with more horsepower so as a potential high end card buyer - your right I do have the right to comment on the "BMWs" However if a 7800 series with working video came in AGP I would more than consider it.
Originally posted by: Paratus
No problem - the crappy part was more an ironic thing than the current GTX being actually crappy obviously the GTX is the currently reigning king.
However:
on 1. you and the current GTX owners are not the ones Nvidia needs to be concerned about. It's joe blow going into Fry's and trying to buy the best gaming card out there and having to figure out that there is a Fast GTX and a slightly less fast GTX (hope thats clear because insulting GTX owners was not my intention. Things don't always come across right on a forum - just consider it a little ribbing
2. I've been at Frys and had to help a kid and his dad who were trying to build a high end gaming box understand the difference between the 256mb 5700 ultra they had picked up and the 256mb X850XT in pcie no less that they were looking at. If they were having problems differentiating those two level of cards just think about trying to differentiate between 2 GTXs with different clocks
Nvidias marketing dept won't let them put out a reference card with substantially different clocks and call it a GTX - a 7850 GTX or 7800 Ultra sure but not 7800 GTX unless the only difference is the amount of RAM.
as to 3. well I've enjoyed my 9600XT but am now in the market for something with more horsepower so as a potential high end card buyer - your right I do have the right to comment on the "BMWs" However if a 7800 series with working video came in AGP I would more than consider it.
I get what you are saying... However, if the cards are the same and there are two different clocks, I think even Joe Blow knows what to pick - The one with the higher clock.
Of course that only applies when reviewing the same model type. For instance, a 7800 GTX with 512 MB @ 520/1400 will perform better than a 7800 GTX with 512 MB @ 430/1200.
But, when using, say a 6600 GT versus a 6800 GT, clock means nothing, since one has fewer piplines and vertex shaders and in addition to all of that, a different memory bus. So, I do understand what you are saying, I just don't agree it will be confusing, at least, not anymore than it already is.
It pays to do research... If someone is going to make a good purchase, they better hope to do some research for themselves, or else they could be prone to buying anything with great advertising. Number 9 video cards come to mind, they had a lot of memory... But did they perform? Naw... But people bought them anyway -- so sad, really.
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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: Paratus
No problem - the crappy part was more an ironic thing than the current GTX being actually crappy obviously the GTX is the currently reigning king.
However:
on 1. you and the current GTX owners are not the ones Nvidia needs to be concerned about. It's joe blow going into Fry's and trying to buy the best gaming card out there and having to figure out that there is a Fast GTX and a slightly less fast GTX (hope thats clear because insulting GTX owners was not my intention. Things don't always come across right on a forum - just consider it a little ribbing
2. I've been at Frys and had to help a kid and his dad who were trying to build a high end gaming box understand the difference between the 256mb 5700 ultra they had picked up and the 256mb X850XT in pcie no less that they were looking at. If they were having problems differentiating those two level of cards just think about trying to differentiate between 2 GTXs with different clocks
Nvidias marketing dept won't let them put out a reference card with substantially different clocks and call it a GTX - a 7850 GTX or 7800 Ultra sure but not 7800 GTX unless the only difference is the amount of RAM.
as to 3. well I've enjoyed my 9600XT but am now in the market for something with more horsepower so as a potential high end card buyer - your right I do have the right to comment on the "BMWs" However if a 7800 series with working video came in AGP I would more than consider it.
I get what you are saying... However, if the cards are the same and there are two different clocks, I think even Joe Blow knows what to pick - The one with the higher clock.
Of course that only applies when reviewing the same model type. For instance, a 7800 GTX with 512 MB @ 520/1400 will perform better than a 7800 GTX with 512 MB @ 430/1200.
But, when using, say a 6600 GT versus a 6800 GT, clock means nothing, since one has few piplines and vertex shaders and in addition to all of that, a different memory bus. So, I do understand what you are saying, I just don't agree it will be confusing, at least, not anymore than it already is.
It pays to do research... If someone is going to make a good purchase, they better hope to do some research for themselves, or else they could be prone to buying anything with great advertising.
Number 9 video cards come to mind, they have great memory... But did they perform? Naw... But people bought them anyway -- so sad, really.
Well I'm also going by what Nvidia and ATI have done in the past.
For the 6 series: the 6800 GT 256mb 350/1000 the Ultra 256 400/1100, Ultra 512mb 400/1100 . Clocks mean a different name. Mem can have the same name. Also see ATI X1800XL X1800XT 256mb X1800XT 512mb
And your absolutely right about memory or why else would they have a 512mb 6200
Originally posted by: Paratus
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: Paratus
No problem - the crappy part was more an ironic thing than the current GTX being actually crappy obviously the GTX is the currently reigning king.
However:
on 1. you and the current GTX owners are not the ones Nvidia needs to be concerned about. It's joe blow going into Fry's and trying to buy the best gaming card out there and having to figure out that there is a Fast GTX and a slightly less fast GTX (hope thats clear because insulting GTX owners was not my intention. Things don't always come across right on a forum - just consider it a little ribbing
2. I've been at Frys and had to help a kid and his dad who were trying to build a high end gaming box understand the difference between the 256mb 5700 ultra they had picked up and the 256mb X850XT in pcie no less that they were looking at. If they were having problems differentiating those two level of cards just think about trying to differentiate between 2 GTXs with different clocks
Nvidias marketing dept won't let them put out a reference card with substantially different clocks and call it a GTX - a 7850 GTX or 7800 Ultra sure but not 7800 GTX unless the only difference is the amount of RAM.
as to 3. well I've enjoyed my 9600XT but am now in the market for something with more horsepower so as a potential high end card buyer - your right I do have the right to comment on the "BMWs" However if a 7800 series with working video came in AGP I would more than consider it.
I get what you are saying... However, if the cards are the same and there are two different clocks, I think even Joe Blow knows what to pick - The one with the higher clock.
Of course that only applies when reviewing the same model type. For instance, a 7800 GTX with 512 MB @ 520/1400 will perform better than a 7800 GTX with 512 MB @ 430/1200.
But, when using, say a 6600 GT versus a 6800 GT, clock means nothing, since one has few piplines and vertex shaders and in addition to all of that, a different memory bus. So, I do understand what you are saying, I just don't agree it will be confusing, at least, not anymore than it already is.
It pays to do research... If someone is going to make a good purchase, they better hope to do some research for themselves, or else they could be prone to buying anything with great advertising.
Number 9 video cards come to mind, they have great memory... But did they perform? Naw... But people bought them anyway -- so sad, really.
Well I'm also going by what Nvidia and ATI have done in the past.
For the 6 series: the 6800 GT 256mb 350/1000 the Ultra 256 400/1100, Ultra 512mb 400/1100 . Clocks mean a different name. Mem can have the same name. Also see ATI X1800XL X1800XT 256mb X1800XT 512mb
And your absolutely right about memory or why else would they have a 512mb 6200
That brings up a good point... The company is purposely selling a card that will benifit very little from that extra memory, yet the waste more wafers on it... That part of the business kind of bothers me. I mean, why would they introduce a 512 MB 6200 GT and then not have the option for 512 MB on the 7800 GTX flagship? At least yet... It really is silly. It is like putting a really expensive gas pedal in a pontiac sunfire and then giving the corvette a cheaper one... Of course the only thing a good expensive sturdy gas pedal will do is hold up against Big Bertha feet that weigh 100 pounds each
By definition, if you're looking for AGP, you're not looking for "high end" cards as there will be no more.
You must go PCIE, and purchase whichever of the X1800XT and 7800 series you feel suits your needs best.
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