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Originally posted by: hans030390
ATI = pwn3d?
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Is it really necessary to write such a thing ?

ATi will release a Platinum Edition of their X1800 XT. It's a no brainer.

And then they will release R580.

And once R580 will be there, we'll say, or think "nVidia = pwn3d ?".

But after that, nVidia will release G80 and nVidia supporters (not to say something else) will say "ATi = pwn3d" ?

And again, after that, ATi will release R600, and story will repeat itself.

I mean ... c'mon, for Christ's sake.
 
Originally posted by: Zenoth
Originally posted by: hans030390
ATI = pwn3d?
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Is it really necessary to write such a thing ?

ATi will release a Platinum Edition of their X1800 XT. It's a no brainer.

And then they will release R580.

And once R580 will be there, we'll say, or think "nVidia = pwn3d ?".

But after that, nVidia will release G80 and nVidia supporters (not to say something else) will say "ATi = pwn3d" ?

And again, after that, ATi will release R600, and story will repeat itself.

I mean ... c'mon, for Christ's sake.
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Not quite. After a certain point both companies stop for a while and start working on the release of their next generation product.

-Kevin
 
i think that Ati will respond with a PE card . After all. If they clock as well as they claim they do then it would be a fairly easy thing to do. 700-750 clock and the same or better memory as the GTX. this would be interesting.
 
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
I don't think they'll let me use my trade up...I got my card from newegg....wah.
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Huh...if the brand is EVGA what does the retailer have anything to do with the step-up program.

-Kevin
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Check out eVGA's terms and conditions....the reseller does matter. Don't know why, but it does.
 
Originally posted by: Steelski
i think that Ati will respond with a PE card . After all. If they clock as well as they claim they do then it would be a fairly easy thing to do. 700-750 clock and the same or better memory as the GTX. this would be interesting.
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I think 1.1ns GDDR3 is the fastest memory out there 😉

As for the core clock, eh if ATI manages to reach that high it wont make too much of a difference.

FIrst off lets wait for the R520 to be released and in retail stores with significant numbers. As for the R580...im definitely thinking they might increase memory to 1.8 and might try to bump the core a bit, but if they are smart (and i am sure they are) they would add more pixel pipelines. The only problem with this is adding pipelines isn't much of a refresher, it is more of a next gen card.

-Kevin
 
And what's your point, Kevin ?

You're saying exactly what I just said.

R520 is there. Now it's a break, they're waiting so they can release the darn top-end suckers out of their mass-production centers to the stores.

R580 is already taped out, all they're waiting is nVidia to move, so they can "counter-attack" with a new product.

But nVidia does the freakin' same strategy, that's not very difficult to see, is it ?

6000 series
6000 "Ultra"
X800 series
X850 series
7000 series
1800 series
7000 "Ultra"
1800 "PE" / 1850 series
G80
R580
G90 ?
R600 ?

I mean it's so linear and predictable. It's always a question of time, not a question of "if".
 
Originally posted by: Zenoth
And what's your point, Kevin ?

You're saying exactly what I just said.

R520 is there. Now it's a break, they're waiting so they can release the darn top-end suckers out of their mass-production centers to the stores.

R580 is already taped out, all they're waiting is nVidia to move, so they can "counter-attack" with a new product.

But nVidia does the freakin' same strategy, that's not very difficult to see, is it ?

6000 series
6000 "Ultra"
X800 series
X850 series
7000 series
1800 series
7000 "Ultra"
1800 "PE" / 1850 series
G80
R580
G90 ?
R600 ?

I mean it's so linear and predictable. It's always a question of time, not a question of "if".
R580
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You are really not getting this!!

R520 is not there. It has been released/paper launched. Show me a place where you can buy an X1800XT

How do you the R580 is taped out? Unless you work for ATI i doubt that. Additionally, why in the hell would they wait for Nvidia to make a move. Currently the 7800GTX is the fastest card out there, they aren't waiting on anything. ATI is merely trying to get enough X1800XTs out there to sell.

As for the "linear" part. You are acting like there is no break. YOu have the 7000 and the X1800 series and their refreshed. Then you have a huge break. No company is releasing any significant cards. Then they release their next gen part.

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


You are really not getting this!!

R520 is not there. It has been released/paper launched. Show me a place where you can buy an X1800XT
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No I think you're not getting this. And here's a place: http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product...9&sid=XPUGK7FLMVGP9JE1GC9KH2WKUEH3D1S0
And it isn't even Nov. 5th yet. When it is, expect many more retailers to have it. Personally if I were looking to get a card, I'd wait to see ATi's response before jumping on a 512 MB GTX. I am fairly certain ATi will respond in some manner and has been anticipating a souped up GTX for awhile now.
 
Originally posted by: Zenoth
And what's your point, Kevin ?

You're saying exactly what I just said.

R520 is there. Now it's a break, they're waiting so they can release the darn top-end suckers out of their mass-production centers to the stores.

R580 is already taped out, all they're waiting is nVidia to move, so they can "counter-attack" with a new product.

But nVidia does the freakin' same strategy, that's not very difficult to see, is it ?

6000 series
6000 "Ultra"
X800 series
X850 series
7000 series
1800 series
7000 "Ultra"
1800 "PE" / 1850 series
G80
R580
G90 ?
R600 ?

I mean it's so linear and predictable. It's always a question of time, not a question of "if".
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X1800XT isn't out yet. Are you saying that ATI will *paper launch* the PE version even before they have the XT out to public? That'll garner some respect, yeah right.

Sure, ATI will eventually have R580 out, but how do you know if it's even gonna be faster than 7800GTX @550MHz? 🙂 From what I've heard, yes R580 samples are out but their performance isn't much greater than R520 as for now.
 
Until there is real availability of either the X1800XT (one shop does not count, though it is the harbinger of things to come I hope) or the 7800 GTX 512MB (or 7800GS or 6800GS), then all of this is simply theoretical.
 
Huh, what I mean is that R520 is technically completed.

I will receive my copy next week for God's sake !

Do you think they completed its design last week just for me ?!

They (nVidia & ATi) preparing for years in advance.

They pretty much know, with maybe just a few exceptions / surprises (since we're talking about competition, and you of course need to surprise your competitor the most you can) what's going to happen.

I mean, think of it as follows ...

ATi: Alright guys, here we have the final product, R480, due this year
nVidia: Now it's completed, G60, due this year, and we're making sure at the moment that G70's current state for next year is stable
ATi: Hummm, guys, bad news, nVidia just released G60, and our answer to it isn't really good, we need to make a refresh of it, get the X850's in the stores
nVidia: Well, they valiantly tried, but we're due for G70, release it
ATi: Guys ... we're toast, nVidia did it, they released something new ... but the sad part was that ... WE DIDN'T KNOW THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THAT !!! NOW WHAT ?!?!?!?! Do we need to create a new generation ?!

And in case you didn't catch it, yes, this is an humble sarcasm, combined with exaggeration attempt from me.

I said it, and will say it again.

Both companies make plans for years (dunno exactly, maybe two, three or four), plans of "basic product lines", and "counter lines".

Basic lines are made of GeForce 7800 GT and GTX, for example.
Counter lines are made of GeForce "Ultras", or "direct answers to a new product made to compete with the basic line".

Another example of a counter line would be ATi's last X850 series, which oh suddenly and magically appeared from the big blue.

Do you think it's a coincidence that nVidia decides suddenly NOW to officially confirm a new 7800 version, now that we know ATi's X1800 XT is knocking at out doors ?

Of course not !

It's a "counter line" product.

Oh and by the way, no I'm not working for ATi, and no, all that "basic line" and "counter line" naming-scheme isn't professionally recognized, and it does come out of my shiny ass.

I'm just trying to point out the facts by my own words.
 
I can confirm allstarshop has them in stock. I was on the phone with them in the last 10 minutes and they had 3 cards left from the shipment.

 
been anticipating a souped up GTX for awhile now
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Well gee, the 780)GTX has been out for what 3-4 months and ATI is just now getting the card out to a few unknown retailers. THey can anticipate all they want, too bad they haven't done anything to back up that supposed "anticipating"

X1800XT isn't out yet. Are you saying that ATI will *paper launch* the PE version even before they have the XT out to public? That'll garner some respect, yeah right.

Sure, ATI will eventually have R580 out, but how do you know if it's even gonna be faster than 7800GTX @550MHz?
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QFT

M0RPH:

Link this is what froogle found. I stand corrected there are about 8 or 9 vendors (I found 2) that claim to have the card in stock. They even have it ~$150-200 more expensive than a card that wins roughly half of the benchmarks. Not to mention it is out late.

You can keep arguing all day M0RPH, you really have no basis for any of it though.

-Kevin

 
CPlusPlusGeek, this whole topic is a joke.

Confirmation from theInquirer? Lol. That's what you call an oxymoron.
 
The 512MB GTX smells like a very expensive card. 512MB of 1800MHz RAM? Ouch. Wouldn't be surprised to see it debut at $599 or even $659. I doubt it will exert any downward price pressure on the current nVidia or ATI cards for quite a while. Too bad because I'm in the market for a 7800GT and would love to pick one up for $250 🙂

 
They (nVidia & ATi) preparing for years in advance.
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As i said, they can prepare all they want, but whether or not they can get those things working, get sufficient numbers/yields, and then get them out to retailers is a different thing.

-Kevin
 
It doesn't change the facts even if they have technical troubles and sufficiency issues.

All that crap to say that yelling out "ATi = pwn3d" is an immature statement provided by a consumer that focuses on one company and probably never ever tried the other surely based on assumptions made by the same genre of individuals.
 
Originally posted by: M0RPH
CPlusPlusGeek, this whole topic is a joke.

Confirmation from theInquirer? Lol. That's what you call an oxymoron.
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Hmm you sure didn't mind taking what they said for truth when they proclaimed that ATI would simply slaughter Nvidia in all tests with R520.

The 512MB GTX smells like a very expensive card. 512MB of 1800MHz RAM? Ouch. Wouldn't be surprised to see it debut at $599 or even $659. I doubt it will exert any downward price pressure on the current nVidia or ATI cards for quite a while. Too bad because I'm in the market for a 7800GT and would love to pick one up for $250
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While it is probably going to be very expensive, probably not as much as you think. Remember they are still dealing with the exact same architecture that is getting awesome yeilds.

All that crap to say that yelling out "ATi = pwn3d" is an immature statement provided by a consumer that focuses on one company and probably never ever tried the other surely based on assumptions made by the same genre of individuals.
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I definitely agree. People who post crap like that (be it ATI or Nvidia) really have no basis, and are merely stirring up trouble.

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: klah
I can confirm allstarshop has them in stock. I was on the phone with them in the last 10 minutes and they had 3 cards left from the shipment.
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I didnt see this post. But I called them as well, he told me three too. They got 15 in today, and have 3 left. $600 and free shipping.
 
I'm with those who say wait and see, wasn't it the inq who said that R520 would be 32 pipes, then revised that to 24, then finally proclaimed that it was 16 pipes (after that was already pretty much confirmed), wasn't it the inq who floundered around with different R520 clocks until they finally got it right days before release. The inq just throws alot at the wall and hope its right and if it isn't hopes people forget about it, its so hit or miss I'll take whatever they say with a grain of salt.
 
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