X1800 GTO & X1900 XL coming

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From EliteBastards.

There has been a fair amount of talk doing the rounds recently regarding ATI beefing up their Radeon X1800 and X1900-based product line-ups respectively. We can now reveal that this information is indeed correct and that a little over a month from now, on March 23rd, ATI will be launching two new products.

First up is the Radeon X1800 GTO, based around the R520 core and most likely featuring twelve pixel pipelines (i.e. one of the four quads present on the core disabled). This will likely be clocked with both core and memory speeds of 500MHz (Giving 1GHz effective clock for RAM), and should fit in at the US $249 price point currently inhabited by NVIDIA's GeForce 6800GS.

On the same date, a Radeon X1900 XL part should also become a reality - This will make use of the R580 core thus far used on Radeon X1900 XT and XTX SKUs. Most likely, this part will retain the full sixteen pixel pipelines and 48 pixel shader units available in the core, but be clocked lower than its XT and XTX counterparts. This should ensure that the part can make use of a single-slot cooling solution, and will also quite possibly be fitted with 256MB of RAM to keep the cost down.

Be sure to note down March 23rd in your calendars if either of these parts tickle your fancy - Both of these parts should be 'hard launched' a la the Radeon X1900 XT and XTX by ATI, and thus should be available to purchase on launch day.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

can't wait

 

[StrangerGuy]

$249 for a X1800 GTO? No thanks, because a 7800GT at $279 AR is rather...irresistable.

 

[tvdang7]

where do u think the gto's performance will sit around? x800 xt's level?

 

[Cooler]

where is R590 then that was going to be the GTO

 

[fierydemise]

If the GTO is unlockable it could be a great deal

 

[Sunrise089]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
If the GTO is unlockable it could be a great deal

um....why? If it unlocks its a X1800XL for $250. While a good bit cheaper than the XL it isn't any cheaper than a faster 7800GT, which comes factory overclocked to even faster speeds and doesn't involve a (though very small) risk of hurting your card.

Also, if the OP's link ends up being correct, I think I called this exactly right yesterday:

Originally posted by: Sunrise089
...
On the other hand if its X1800 based, which seems likely, this probably won't be that hot. $250 is a decent drop from the X1800XL, but the 7800GT is now available for $250AR, and would severly defeat a X1800XL with one quad gone.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Supposedly it competes against the 7600GT or G73.

edit - Wow, An EVGA 7800GT going for 250 AR. I guess NV wants to get rid of the G70 inventory. Good for us

 

[ronnn]

Will be nice if this leads to a quiet cooler for the down clocked x1900 varients.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Sunrise089

Originally posted by: fierydemise
If the GTO is unlockable it could be a great deal

um....why? If it unlocks its a X1800XL for $250. While a good bit cheaper than the XL it isn't any cheaper than a faster 7800GT, which comes factory overclocked to even faster speeds and doesn't involve a (though very small) risk of hurting your card.

$250 is the MSRP, street price will be more like 200 bucks or less. It's meant to compete with the 6800GS/7600GT. 6800GS also has a $250 MSRP but it's selling for under $200 now.

 

[PingSpike]

6800GS occupies the $249 pricepoint? When was this article written? You can easily get a 6800GS for $170 these days.

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: Cooler
where is R590 then that was going to be the GTO

http://www.mikeshardware.co.uk/ click on the top "X1900GTO" link.

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Will be nice if this leads to a quiet cooler for the down clocked x1900 varients.

definitely! An X1900XL with all the pipes and whatnots of the X1900XT, just slightly lower clocks and only 256MB of RAM, for around $375-400 with a better, quieter cooling solution is what I'd want to match up against the 7900GT with 24pipes and high clock speeds, 256MB also, to see which is the champ of single-slot 256MB DX9 performance. If either is offered with a quietly cooled solution, I'm sold.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
6800GS occupies the $249 pricepoint? When was this article written? You can easily get a 6800GS for $170 these days.

Yes, AFAIK 6800GS's msrp is still at $249.

7600GT vs 1800GTO fight looks tasty.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

yeah, to bad im still stuck in agp :-(

 

[Extelleron]

If the X1900XL costs less than $350 ATi has a winner on their hands.

 

[JPB]

Has there been any specs on the X1900 XL yet that anyone know's of ? Like will it have the 48 shaders ?

 

[Phew]

The x1800gto at $250 seems like a ripoff, considering that the x850xt is selling for $170 on Newegg right now and might actually be faster.

The x1900xl might be THE mid-range card to own this spring though. The x800xl was a real bargain when it came out, with 80% of the performance of a x800xt for 50-60% of the price.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
yeah, to bad im still stuck in agp :-(

A socket 939 PCIe motherboard costs $60. I can understand how some users who have P4 478 or XP3200+ or even S754 being reluctant to switch over. In your case you'll get dual-core support as well and wont have to buy a new cpu. No excuses....

As far as 7800GT is concerned vs. X1800GTO same argument can be made if X1800XT 256mb drops to $299, which should whipe the floor with it for $50 more. Yet some consumers are senstitive to price increases and wont pay over $200, or over $250, etc. Therefore, even X1600Pro/XT cars sell when they are terrible price/performance cards. X1800GTO will find its market too then.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
A socket 939 PCIe motherboard costs $60.

heh.. i've yet to see a $60 mainboard i'd put in my system...

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: x80064
Has there been any specs on the X1900 XL yet that anyone know's of ? Like will it have the 48 shaders ?

Most likely, it will have the same gpu as the other x1900's, only clocked lower. Possibly it will run at 500mhz core clocks, in which case you can already predict its performance simply by looking at the x1900aiw results.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: x80064
Has there been any specs on the X1900 XL yet that anyone know's of ? Like will it have the 48 shaders ?

Same number of shaders, single-slot with similar clocks as the X1900 AIW.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
A socket 939 PCIe motherboard costs $60.

heh.. i've yet to see a $60 mainboard i'd put in my system...

He has an old AGP board with no SATA2, no HD audio and his processor is overclocked 200mhz extra only. Any $60 939 board will do. It'll have all the features an average user needs has like 2 SATA ports, 2 IDE, and onboard audio and lan. The point is upgrading from socket 939 agp is a small price to pay compared to paying $300 for 7800GS to upgrade from 6800Ultra dont you think? PLus if we wanted to get specific DFI Infiniti board for $80 blows majority of boards priced at $120-140. Price doesn't always correlate with quality when it comes to motherboards. Now $80 + $250 7800GT = $330 or $30 more than 7800GS but a way better setup.

I understand that some users on these forums need all the features boards offer but I will never believe an average user needs 8 SATA II ports, dual gigabit lan (and will they ever complain the lan runs of PCI not PCIe?), 3 firewire ports, etc. Most people overpay for features they think they need. MSI Neo4-F is same as MSI platinum 4 but cost $100 less at the time just like Abit IC7-Max2 = Abit IS7 for $100 more. They all overclocked almost identically to their more expensive siblings. For example, most products have USB 2.0 ports making firewire useless until 800 comes to PC. But extra ports cost $5....all these things start to add up. Then you see users buying $200 SLI boards with 1 6800GS card and in 6 months later ask for a better videocard upgrade. The only reason to pay $200 for a motherboard is for the features it offers because you can always find a $100 variant of same board that provides you with at least 95% of its overclocking headroom.

Back in the days there were drastic differences in motherboards. Today, they all fall within 5% of one another. The only 2 things that separate them are overclocking and onboard sound. We know that SATA2 offers nothing over SATA1, and neither does dual bios chips, etc. which all increase the cost of boards.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
As far as 7800GT is concerned vs. X1800GTO same argument can be made if X1800XT 256mb drops to $299, which should whipe the floor with it for $50 more. Yet some consumers are senstitive to price increases and wont pay over $200, or over $250, etc. Therefore, even X1600Pro/XT cars sell when they are terrible price/performance cards. X1800GTO will find its market too then.

By then the 7900GT/GTX will be out. Which could lead to price drops for the 7800GT/GTX.

 

[Washoe]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
yeah, to bad im still stuck in agp :-(

get the asrock 939 board - agp and pcie makes your transition smoother