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x1600xt for $159 USD
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No one wants it to make a comeback, everyone just wishes it didn't get phased out just like that. Even as enthusiasts we all dont upgrade every other month, its actually just more stupid for the manufacturers to not have their cards in AGP even for a slight price premium, because they would sell tons still. Otherwise you just turn more like me and be stuck in the decision of buying an expensive AGP card or an all new system, so rather than have to decide with those crappy choices you just wait it out, and Nvidia nor ATI sells a card. 🙂
Zebo
Elite Member
Why on earth would you hold on to that old crap as well?
You need to read this if you're interested in games as you claim.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1854726,00.asp
Even a lowly 3500+ lays waste to pentiums like yours and lets not even get into Ocing like you are doing with your pentium or low heat or low power like you ATI guys claim you appreciate. AMD-64 is where it's at BTW.
As far as why no decent AGP cards? I dunno but I seen writting on the wall and ditched AGP ASAP before prices dropped though the floor on my existing AGP cards - maybe you should too? Maybe it's too late for you already.. did'nt you buy your 9800XT for some crazy amount like $400? be lucky to get $90 today.. sucks for you to hold ancient tech.🙁 No you got nothing basically and are crooning for a POS 1600 cause that's all ATI will give you in AGP. Move PCIe now before even you p4 has zero value too.
apoppin
Lifer
$223 shipped from NewEgg for my 9800xt . . . cheap enough. . . . if it is still working i can get about $95 . . . letsee that's $128 for 2 years of gaming . . . if i throw it away, it's only just over $100 a year. And i am limited by my 19" monitor to 11x8@85hz or 12x9@80 [11x8 being its sweet spot] so i haven't had to turn any new games down below 10x7 . . . FEAR included - yet.
That "POS x1600xt" will run my games even faster than my 9800xt - for cheap.
The P4 system was best-bang-for-buck when i bought it . . . it is still equivalent to an A64 3200+ [and i don't see you telling people to get rid of those systems]. My NW 2.80c @ 3.31Ghz processor IS low power [compared to the current Intel Toasters] and not that much slower PLUS i can push it to 3.5Ghz with a little additional voltage - making it the equivalent of that [stock] a3500+.
:thumbsup:
It's still a nice performing mid-range system - EXCEPT for a decent AGP upgrade.
i figure i can get 2 more years out of my system - except gaming [unless there IS a x1800xt in AGP - then i WILL get 2 more gaming years] . . . at that point, i "save" so much by NOT upgrading now, i can afford to toss it in the trash [then]. 😉
Dual Core, PCIe, DDR3/BluRay etc. are all cutting edge and offer very little practical performance increase foo me now. In 2 years they will be mainstream and cheap.
Zebo
Elite Member
In what? Not games that's for sure. you obvioulsy did'nt read the link i provided to you. Average FPS do not tell the whole story when you see then as misrepresented by almost every reviewer. P4 have lag- pauses- can't hangness compared to any A64 in games.
You're right your system is decent...Why not get an 800XT/6800GT AGP? Twice as fast as your 9800, a 1600 is a waste marginally faster for $170-$200. That's just dumb. I sold a 6800GT for $200 recently with a brandnew HSF. Should be able to scoop one up for that fairly easily. The problem is still there though - your choices are so limited with no future card ever gauranteed to come. Your AGP card you buy will always have lower resale than the PCIe versions and cost more initally because it's a smaller market. Your P4 is losing all it's value - Your motherboard has none. The day will come where you must buy everything all at once for a decent game machine again.
When did you give up PCI? With this 9800?
apoppin
Lifer
You forget . . . my DC P4 is is O/C'd . . . it benchs very close - even in games - to a stock a3200+ . . . at 3.5Ghz it will be even closer to a a stock a64 3500+,
no i didnt bother with your link as i am well aware of the advantages of the A64 architecture . . . i know that a stock 3.6Ghz P4 gets beat in games by an a64 3500+ . . . HOWEVER, an O/C'd 2.80c @3.5Ghz will also beat the stock 3.6 P4
i posted a HUGE thread in General a couple of years back when i bought my system . . . no one could show the a64 advantages - for the price- over the 2.80c P4 rig . . . and i believe you were also there in that thread then too
You're right your system is decent...Why not get an 800XT/6800GT AGP? Twice as fast as your 9800, a 1600 is a waste marginally faster for $170-$200. That's just dumb. I sold a 6800GT for $200 recently with a brandnew HSF. Should be able to scoop one up for that fairly easily. The problem is still there though - your choices are so limited with no future card ever gauranteed to come. Your AGP card you buy will always have lower resale than the PCIe versions and cost more initally because it's a smaller market. Your P4 is losing all it's value - Your motherboard has none. The day will come where you must buy everything all at once for a decent game machine again.[/quote]again . . . it's FEATURES, i am looking for . . . the x800 series is lacking imo and the agp 6800Gt too expensive at over $300 . . .
i don't think the improvement over my 9800xt is 'marginal' [for $160-180]. The 6600gt is slightly more than marginal and the x1600xt is faster still.
edit:
You are missing the point . . . WHY much i upgrade my rig - EXCEPT for games?
i am completely satisfied with my rigin every other use i put it to. i got it for a 'song' and don't mind if it gets tossed or donated in 2 years when it really will be slow. At THAT point i am confident i can put together another GREAT performing rig for little money.
Geez Apoppin' I'm starting to think you and the call girl in your sig have something in common.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2330&p=2
AT shows a P4 3.6 getting beat by a A64 3000+ at HL2? I'm sort of doubting your 3.3 GHz P4 is somehow magically equivalent to a 3200+?
$139 3000+
Like I said Apoppin', you're obviously not a gamer if you're hanging onto the P4 2.8 like grim death, so I think you should buy a X1600XT. I like that idea a lot actually, it would be a BIG upgrade for you! Think of teh AVIVO smackdown!
I don't think you should wait even ONE DAY to buy the AGP X1600XT when it's released, it might be a limited run and you don't want to miss out on the 128 bit AGP goodness!
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2330&p=2
AT shows a P4 3.6 getting beat by a A64 3000+ at HL2? I'm sort of doubting your 3.3 GHz P4 is somehow magically equivalent to a 3200+?
$139 3000+
Like I said Apoppin', you're obviously not a gamer if you're hanging onto the P4 2.8 like grim death, so I think you should buy a X1600XT. I like that idea a lot actually, it would be a BIG upgrade for you! Think of teh AVIVO smackdown!
I don't think you should wait even ONE DAY to buy the AGP X1600XT when it's released, it might be a limited run and you don't want to miss out on the 128 bit AGP goodness!
apoppin
Lifer
By 1/2 FPS
:roll:
the P4's sole "weaknes" is gaming . . . it equals or beats the a64 in other applications . . . i do more than game with my rig . . .
. . . ANYway my 2.80C @ 3.5Ghz is [much] faster than the 3.6Ghz Stock Intel CPU . . .
but according to your twisted logic. i guess it IS ready for the trash can along with all stock Intel systems
:thumbsdown:
$139 3000+
Like I said Apoppin', you're obviously not a gamer if you're hanging onto the P4 2.8 like grim death, so I think you should buy a X1600XT. I like that idea a lot actually, it would be a BIG upgrade for you! Think of teh AVIVO smackdown!
I don't think you should wait even ONE DAY to buy the AGP X1600XT when it's released, it might be a limited run and you don't want to miss out on the 128 bit AGP goodness!
[/quote]
And you're obviously not a "gamer" either - just a Hardware Snob . . . did you EVER finish your favourite game of last year - Doom3 - Yet? ANY games thru the Final Boss?
:roll:
you obviously know nothing about overclocking 😛
Your suggested a64-3000 and a complete system rebuild around that CPU would give me NOTHING but PCIe
:thumbsdown:
All apoppin wants is a card with better performance than his 9800p converted to 9800XT, and the Avivo features, as he can make use of them, for relatively cheap, in AGP, because he has a P4 and he can't justify spending a bunch 'o bank right now.
I don't understand why you guys are trying to ram PCIe, a complete platform change, and a faster card down his throat? He can't do that for anywhere near $199 or so. The X1600XT in AGP seems like a good purchase for his needs. There is a market for many different types of users/niche markets. Perhaps you can't relate, perhaps you can't see the value, perhaps you couldn't live with it, but he obviously can, so what is the BFD again? 😕
I swear you guys remind me of my 5yr old far too often, now go to your rooms and don't come out till you can tell me what you've done wrong, and why you shouldn't do it again! 😀
Happy Holidays you disputatious bastages 🙂 :gift:
I don't understand why you guys are trying to ram PCIe, a complete platform change, and a faster card down his throat? He can't do that for anywhere near $199 or so. The X1600XT in AGP seems like a good purchase for his needs. There is a market for many different types of users/niche markets. Perhaps you can't relate, perhaps you can't see the value, perhaps you couldn't live with it, but he obviously can, so what is the BFD again? 😕
I swear you guys remind me of my 5yr old far too often, now go to your rooms and don't come out till you can tell me what you've done wrong, and why you shouldn't do it again! 😀
Happy Holidays you disputatious bastages 🙂 :gift:
apoppin
Lifer
Q.F.T.
and Happy Jolidays
only i gotta go to work . . . at least it's WARM at work. 😛
damn cold in Video 😛
😀
as to that "call girl" in my sig . . . Rollo,
would it have been better if i spelled it "horticulture"?
". . . lead a horse to water. . . "
[for those that keep missed it whilst still commenting - it's word triple--play . . . this ain't the only forum]
:roll:
'can't make "him" think' just doesn't fit . . . neither does "it" . . . 😛
'them' looks sloppy . . . how about:
You can lead a whore to culture, but you cannot make 'em think.?
more PC?
:roll:
😀
I think you underestimate the size of the AGP market. Over the last few years HP, Compaq, Gateway and Dell have sold millions of AGP-enabled P4 2.8 and faster machines. These boxes are perfectly fine for gaming aside from asstacular 3d acceleration, and their owners would LOVE to use them to play games (e.g., a friend with an AMD64 3200+, 2G of ram bought at BestBuy wondering why his 'geforce4' integrated video won't even load many new games like Fable).
Having * a * budget AGP solution capable of running modern games is a giant win. The owners of these appliances don't have the savvy nor the bravery to open those things up and start performing motherboard surgery. And having bought them in the last year or so, they're not going to throw them away and get a new, nearly identical except for PCIe version.
The AGP version of the X1600XT, while stupidly cripled, has absolutely no competition from nvidia.
I get constant questions re: what needs to be upgraded in these consumer appliances to let junior frag aliens. And I keep replying, 'nothing much yet, try to hold on a few more months or get a $60-ish 9600pro/xt.'
Without an AGP 6800GS @ $160, nvidia has no such solution (6600GT is getting a bit long in the tooth.) The 1600XT AGP, if it gets to a price point of about $130 would become the winner and champeen of the budget segment. And at $199 retail, probably the boxed retail segment.
apoppin
Lifer
Rollo doesn't know [or care]:
70 per cent of upgrade market is still AGP
Hardware Snobs tend to ignore facts in favour of FUD. . . . you can LEAD them to FACTS . . . but you cannot make her thin . . . . NM . . .
😀
the x1600xt is a great little card that BEATS its competition - the 6600GT - at a lower price . . . and a noticeable UPgrade over my 9800xt . . . a cheap "bang-for-buck" card . . . that'll give new "life" to my system for games another year . . .
the only think i might wait for is the x1650xt on r580 [depending on if my 9800xt is fried - or not . . . i think it might be something else 😱]
Rollo, this is exactly why people have issues with you. I used to wonder why people disliked you so much, but when I see stuff like this it makes more sense. I could totally understand if you said something like "I don't see it as a good value when [card X] is available for only [$X.xx] amount more. It would be a much bigger improvement and last a lot longer." That would be the "Fair and Balanced" reply.
Imagine it this way: Someone posts that they currently drive a 1999 Honda Civic. They say they are thinking of getting a new Mazda3. 35 more horsepower, better handling, and very reliable. Now here comes Rollo demanding that they get a "real car" like an Infiniti G35, or a 3 series BMW, because they outperform the Mazda in every way, and can be had for only $10,000 more. Rollo then continues to bash anyone who would even consider driving a piece of crap budget car like that.
Sounds rediculous, yet that's exactly what you are doing here.
Meh.
Your post is all FUD.
No matter what percent of the market still has AGP, doesn't change the fact that PCIE gives more choices and FAR better value. (not to mention dwindling market/value of AGP antiques)
You say the X1600XT is cheaper than the 6600GT, when it is not. The AGP 6600GT is $119 AMIR and In Stock at newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130220
Last I checked, $119 is FAR CHEAPER than ANY X1600XT, let alone a non existent AGP one. :roll:
And of course you totally ignored the 6800NU AGP that can be had at newegg for $20 more, and perhaps unlocked and OCd into a much faster card.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814140067
Funny how you forget these "little" details.
Or the 6800XT that's $20 less at newegg, and still a better card than a 6600GT?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121206
Another forgotten "detail".
I think I know why you're all about ATI Apoppin'. They're kind of like Intel- they ratchet the speed on worse engineered processors to achieve similar performance. 😉
Ah well, if you want to believe Apoppins FUD about the cheapest 6800GT costing twice as much as the craptastic X1600XT, or that the only nVidia product in the $159 pricerange is a "more expensive 6600GT" (when they cost much less and better 6800NU and XT cards are about the same) feel free not to read my posts.
Not my point at all. What I'm addressing is the way you respond and talk to people, rather than the ideas being presented. Going back to my car analogy: you would be just as annoying by hounding him to get a Dodge SRT-4 for the same price as the Mazda, when he clearly likes the Mazda.
You keep bashing AGP, then suggesting AGP 6800's or 6600GTs. What are you trying to accomplish here other than making people hate you even more, and give them even more fodder for the "rollo is an Nvidia employee" theories? You could have very easily just pointed out the prices/performance of the Nvidia products and called it a day.
The prices and performance of nVidia parts is only part of this issue, and the only reason it's part of the issue at all is because Apoppin' posted so much misinformation about them.
What I was trying to "accomplish" here is what I'm always trying to accomplish:
Give my opinions of hardware and it's value.
If you don't approve:
1. Don't add "Rollo for Mod" to your signature.
2. Don't read it.
3. Try to figure out why you would think a stranger would listen to your lectures about what to post and what not to post. :roll:
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