X1600XT CF or 7800GT?

[elpres05]

Will a CF X1600XT beat a 7800GT.

Sapphire X1600XT is for 159 $, two of those will equal the price of a 7800GT.

What do you think?

 

[RussianSensation]

If you want to consider 2 cards that will beat 7800GT, it would have to be 2x6800GS at $200 a piece. Considering 7800GT can be found for $280 after MIR, I'd stay away from X1600XT at all costs. I would not call crossife boards (with their southbridge problems) superb either. I dont see how 2x1600xt cars can outperform even a 7800GT since they are severely hampered by 4 texture units I believe.

 

[v8envy]

Must disagree with my Russian comrade. (har har. soviet humor there.)

It's probably not a good idea for noise, power, heat, being a guinea pig and other reasons. But two X1600s definitely have the potential to outperform a 7800GT. They after all the world's fastest 4 pipe card, and absolutely tear up shader heavy benchmarks like 3dmark2005.

More aggregate memory bandwidth, comprable pixel / texture fill rates, domination in shader operations. Take 15% off for losses due to friction, and it's still pretty compelling.

So 2x of those bad boys will definitely net you some impressive 3dmark scores. And min frame rates in games may even be better than a 7800GT in real games.

Of course, this is theory. Try it and tell us!

Me, I'll stick with no known problems.

 

[elpres05]

Amazingly, only ASUS has a motherboard that is reliable, DFI? hearing bad things about it.

I would have gone for an X1800XT but screw ATI, 600+ for a single card, damn that sucks.

I think ill end up on the green side, 7800GT probably, not a fan of dual cards anyway.

 

[theMan]

well, dfi's are stable, its just that the people that use them to crazy things, like overvolting, crazy overclocking, etc. so, that makes them unstable.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
If you want to consider 2 cards that will beat 7800GT, it would have to be 2x6800GS at $200 a piece. Considering 7800GT can be found for $280 after MIR, I'd stay away from X1600XT at all costs. I would not call crossife boards (with their southbridge problems) superb either. I dont see how 2x1600xt cars can outperform even a 7800GT since they are severely hampered by 4 texture units I believe.

I would say that a single GT would be your best bet. The x1600's perform at about the 6600GT level and you can get those for around $120 each.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

I would say that a single GT would be your best bet. The x1600's perform at about the 6600GT level and you can get those for around $120 each.

Not 100% correct. The 1600XT can be expected to pull 5100 3dmarks, as opposed to 3700 for a 6600GT. It has VASTLY more shader ops/sec, slightly higher (2360 vs 2000 MPixel/sec pixel fill rate, and about half the texture fill rate. Memory bandwidth is 22.08 vs 16.

The 1600XT, in real world, lies between the 6600GT and 6800 non-GT. For $160, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. But if it drops to around $110, CF of 2x of them would definitely be better than a 6800GS, and may even beat a reference clocked 7800GT, depending on what the task is.

 

[golem]

The 1600XT, in real world, lies between the 6600GT and 6800 non-GT. For $160, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. But if it drops to around $110, CF of 2x of them would definitely be better than a 6800GS, and may even beat a reference clocked 7800GT, depending on what the task is.

1600xt does really well in 3dmark05 and some shader heavy games (splinter cell and fear?) But doesn't it generally lose out to 6600gt in most other current and older games?


Sorry my mistake. It does beat the 6600gt in most games.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: golem

Sorry my mistake. It does beat the 6600gt in most games.

Once you turn on AA, the X1600XT does better. Which would be the expected usage of an SLI setup. You were correct, without AA on most current games the gap can be as high as 5%, in favor of the 6600GT.

But I'm thinking the gap will have narrowed with the 5.13 drivers.

A 6800GS still crushes it however. As do two games: AOE3, B&W2.

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: elpres05
Amazingly, only ASUS has a motherboard that is reliable, DFI? hearing bad things about it.

I would have gone for an X1800XT but screw ATI, 600+ for a single card, damn that sucks.

I think ill end up on the green side, 7800GT probably, not a fan of dual cards anyway.

Are you stonned? You can get a X1800XT for almost $500 now, about $100 cheaper than the MC

 

[secretanchitman]

actually you can get a X1800XT from sapphire for $489 in stock at the egg...

but, i would still get a 7800GT. i'd rather get the "best bang for your buck".

 

[hans030390]

Dont get the x1600xt. period.

The 7800gt will do very nicely.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: v8envy
Must disagree with my Russian comrade. (har har. soviet humor there.)

It's probably not a good idea for noise, power, heat, being a guinea pig and other reasons. But two X1600s definitely have the potential to outperform a 7800GT. They after all the world's fastest 4 pipe card, and absolutely tear up shader heavy benchmarks like 3dmark2005.

More aggregate memory bandwidth, comprable pixel / texture fill rates, domination in shader operations. Take 15% off for losses due to friction, and it's still pretty compelling.

So 2x of those bad boys will definitely net you some impressive 3dmark scores. And min frame rates in games may even be better than a 7800GT in real games.

Of course, this is theory. Try it and tell us!

Me, I'll stick with no known problems.

Sorry, comrade, but I must disagree with you there. The 1600's do have some good potential in shader-heavy apps and with AA, but I would not get dual cards when a single card can offer similar performance for a similar price. Just like I would not get dual 6600gt's instead of a 6800gt, or dual 6800gt's in place of a single gtx. Dual cards only make sence if you're going for high end cards, or if they offer a better bang for the buck like dual 7800gt's. Even if dual 1600's can outperform a 7800gt in some cases, it wont happen all the time, and in other cases they will be slower.

 

[tvdang7]

Originally posted by: v8envy
Must disagree with my Russian comrade. (har har. soviet humor there.)

It's probably not a good idea for noise, power, heat, being a guinea pig and other reasons. But two X1600s definitely have the potential to outperform a 7800GT. They after all the world's fastest 4 pipe card, and absolutely tear up shader heavy benchmarks like 3dmark2005.

More aggregate memory bandwidth, comprable pixel / texture fill rates, domination in shader operations. Take 15% off for losses due to friction, and it's still pretty compelling.

So 2x of those bad boys will definitely net you some impressive 3dmark scores. And min frame rates in games may even be better than a 7800GT in real games.

Of course, this is theory. Try it and tell us!



Me, I'll stick with no known problems.

i thought they are a 12 pipe card?

 

[Cooler]

x1700 are coming out soon.

 

[tvdang7]

really? must be underground havent heard anything on AT bout it.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

id leave the x1600 well alone, it just isnt worth the money, why did they castrate this card ?

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: tvdang7

Originally posted by: v8envy
Must disagree with my Russian comrade. (har har. soviet humor there.)

It's probably not a good idea for noise, power, heat, being a guinea pig and other reasons. But two X1600s definitely have the potential to outperform a 7800GT. They after all the world's fastest 4 pipe card, and absolutely tear up shader heavy benchmarks like 3dmark2005.

More aggregate memory bandwidth, comprable pixel / texture fill rates, domination in shader operations. Take 15% off for losses due to friction, and it's still pretty compelling.

So 2x of those bad boys will definitely net you some impressive 3dmark scores. And min frame rates in games may even be better than a 7800GT in real games.

Of course, this is theory. Try it and tell us!



Me, I'll stick with no known problems.

i thought they are a 12 pipe card?

I guess it is technically, but they did something to it where the pipes don't work right. IIRC it only has 4 texture units, so peformance is severly hampered.

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: tvdang7

Originally posted by: v8envy
Must disagree with my Russian comrade. (har har. soviet humor there.)

It's probably not a good idea for noise, power, heat, being a guinea pig and other reasons. But two X1600s definitely have the potential to outperform a 7800GT. They after all the world's fastest 4 pipe card, and absolutely tear up shader heavy benchmarks like 3dmark2005.

More aggregate memory bandwidth, comprable pixel / texture fill rates, domination in shader operations. Take 15% off for losses due to friction, and it's still pretty compelling.

So 2x of those bad boys will definitely net you some impressive 3dmark scores. And min frame rates in games may even be better than a 7800GT in real games.

Of course, this is theory. Try it and tell us!



Me, I'll stick with no known problems.

i thought they are a 12 pipe card?

I guess it is technically, but they did something to it where the pipes don't work right. IIRC it only has 4 texture units, so peformance is severly hampered.

The card has 128bit memory (256bt internal), 4 pipes (3 units per pipe give it the 12 that we hear about) 5 vertex shaders.
I would consider CF only to satisfy curiosity at the moment. it could post great results in fear though.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: elpres05
Will a CF X1600XT beat a 7800GT.

Sapphire X1600XT is for 159 $, two of those will equal the price of a 7800GT.

What do you think?

I think you like to start arguments. This isn't even really a question.

BTW- if you don't realize why it's not a question:
1. No such thing as a X1600XT Master card AFAIK (right there you know we're wading the trolling waters)
2. It's almost impossible to make a good argument for lower end multi gpu, except as a "I like to play with video cards" perspective, and most can't afford such antics
3. I think a 7800GT would probably still beat crappy 128 bit X1600XTs
4. There's the whole "have to buy a costly Crossfire motherboard to put two turd video cards on" angle

I think you should buy this rig when it comes available Elpres.

 

[nRollo]

LOL- I knew you seemed familiar!

The man who brought us the "SLI and Crossfire have made life worse" thread!

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1759242&enterthread=y

What's next?

9800Pro or 5900 Ultra- what was better then and why?

LOL

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Cooler
x1700 are coming out soon.

ATI are really on a roll with the mid range cards. First there's the X600 which got dropped for the X700 (and the never seen X700XT) now they are going to drop the X1600 for the X1700.

Get the 7800GT, it'll give you more performance and not fall over in AOE3 or B&W2.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: tvdang7
really? must be underground havent heard anything on AT bout it.

x1700 is the r580 version of the x1600 . . . higher performance for sure . . . the rest is unknown Supposed to be released next month . . . along with the x1900xt [in Feb] and an improved x-fire.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: tvdang7
really? must be underground havent heard anything on AT bout it.

x1700 is the r580 version of the x1600 . . . higher performance for sure . . . the rest is unknown Supposed to be released next month . . . along with the x1900xt [in Feb] and an improved x-fire.

X1600 IS the smaller version of the RV580.
X1700 is most likely X1600 with 256bit 128/256mb GDDR3 ram.