X1600 can some one fill me in

[otispunkmeyer]

whats the deal with this card

on paper, looks like a nice mid ranger

why is its performance so bad? something to do wit having 12 pipes and only 4 rops?

 

[crazydingo]

Only 4 TMUs.

For 128bit memory, it does very good under AA.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Only 4 TMUs.

For 128bit memory, it does very good under AA.

ah

so

its got 12 pixel shaders, and only 4 texture units, and 4 rops?

 

[Munky]

Yup. More of a low-midrange card. A 24 PS + 8 TMU card would have been much better.

 

[tuteja1986]

i only recommend the x1600pro agp to people who don't play game and happen to want a Dell 3007FPW and happen to also have a AGP Motherboard. WHY :? only decent card cheap agp to have dual-link DVI :!

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: munky
Yup. More of a low-midrange card. A 24 PS + 8 TMU card would have been much better.

...and more expensive, since you'd be doubling the transistor count.

Yes, basically, it's a 4x3 architecture (compared to 12x1 on the X800XL and 16x1 on the X800XT). It has comparable shader processing power to an X800XL, but less geometry and texture processing capability (plus it only has 128-bit memory).

 

[Bull Dog]

Bottom line: In benchmarks it pingpongs between a bit above 6600GT and tab below the 6800GS

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: munky
Yup. More of a low-midrange card. A 24 PS + 8 TMU card would have been much better.

...and more expensive, since you'd be doubling the transistor count.

Yes, basically, it's a 4x3 architecture (compared to 12x1 on the X800XL and 16x1 on the X800XT). It has comparable shader processing power to an X800XL, but less geometry and texture processing capability (plus it only has 128-bit memory).

Actually the X800XL has 16x1 as well. Did you mean the X800Pro?

In any event... The low-midrange from ATI was pretty disappointing.

 

[elkinm]

The X1600 is a disappointment and for a next gen mid range card, it cannot compete with the X800XT-Pros and which are cheap now and it barely beats the 6600GT and X800GT which are much cheaper and mid range from the previous generation..

ATI is planning a X1700 refresh which should hopefully take its proper place in line as the mid range card of the X1 generation.

 

[L00PY]

While a disappointment as a midrange card, it's a good low end card. Cheapest on NewEgg: x1600 pro - $110, x1600 xt - $155. The x800xt that you said it can't compete with is at $220. So the comparison there would be the performance of 2 x1600 pros Crossfired against a single x800xt.

 

[Vinnybcfc]

Originally posted by: L00PY
While a disappointment as a midrange card, it's a good low end card. Cheapest on NewEgg: x1600 pro - $110, x1600 xt - $155. The x800xt that you said it can't compete with is at $220. So the comparison there would be the performance of 2 x1600 pros Crossfired against a single x800xt.

for $169 from newegg you can get a X800GTO2 which will slaughter it in benchmarks

 

[Extelleron]

The X1600XT would beat the 6800GS if only it had a 256-Bit MI I think.........

In the end, the X1600 series just cant compete with the 6600GT/6800GS, but they are great cards. If ATi can come out with an X1700 refresh series that's something like this:

X1700 Pro-
4pp, 12ps
500 MHz Core
800-900 MHz memory
256-Bit MI
$129-149 MSRP (basicly same as X1600 PRO)

X1700XT-
4pp, 12ps
650-700 MHz Core (very possible with a simple X1600XT OC)
1500~ memory (once again very possible with a small X1600XT OC)
256-Bit MI
$179-199 MSRP (basicly same as X1600XT)



They would DESTROY nVidia with those cards, the X1700 PRO would destroy the 6600GT and the X1700XT should be able to beat the 6800GS as well.

 

[Pete]

6600GT has 4 ROPs, too, so that's not it. The X1600's 4 TMUs seem to be its limiting factor. Well, that and its price still seems too high. $160 is a huge improvement from its $250 launch, but when a 6800GS is selling at the same price, it's a tough to make an argument for a X1600XT ATM.

Is there a review that benchmarks a X1600P against a 6600GT out there? I'm sure more than a few ppl would be interested in the competition at the $110 mark.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Pete
6600GT has 4 ROPs, too, so that's not it. The X1600's 4 TMUs seem to be its limiting factor. Well, that and its price still seems too high. $160 is a huge improvement from its $250 launch, but when a 6800GS is selling at the same price, it's a tough to make an argument for a X1600XT ATM.

Is there a review that benchmarks a X1600P against a 6600GT out there? I'm sure more than a few ppl would be interested in the competition at the $110 mark.

Sadly I've only found one benchmark that even FEATURES the X1600 PRO, and its some heavily overclocked version, I believe. I can try to dig it up........

 

[Vinnybcfc]

Would it be possible for ATI to make a 8 tmu card with 12ps?

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Vinnybcfc
Would it be possible for ATI to make a 8 tmu card with 12ps?

I dont think so...... I believe ATi has their new architecture 3:1 for PP/PS, as every card with the new architecture, whether it be the X1600 PRO or X1900XTX, has been the same in that way. I think it would be possible to have 8/16, just have 2 pixel shading processor per pipeline rather than 3/pp.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Vinnybcfc
Would it be possible for ATI to make a 8 tmu card with 12ps?

Anything is 'possible', but that would be a pretty serious design overhaul. The X1600s and X1900s all have a 3:1 ratio of shaders to ROPs/texture units, which implies that there's a lot of common design between them (basically, an X1900XT is three X1600s crammed into one GPU core and with a 256-bit memory controller).

Retooling the quads to a 4:3 ratio could be quite a bit of work. An 8-ROP/TMU, 24-PS card would probably take less work (or just an OCed X1600 with a 256-bit memory interface as suggested above).

Actually the X800XL has 16x1 as well. Did you mean the X800Pro?

In any event... The low-midrange from ATI was pretty disappointing.

Yeah, I meant the X800Pro.

The X1600s have been somewhat underwhelming, but the X800XT and X850Pro/XT have been holding up pretty well. As have the X800s (and the GTO and GTO2 variants). The only problem with them is that they don't have SM3.0 -- but it's still not a huge factor IMO.