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[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
And why should I believe AT over another site?

So you just thread crap here, you don't actually like the site?

Why not just quote ATI.com about how awesome their products are.

All of the major sites show the GTX512 CRUSHING the XT. I know it hurts you dearly to hear this and I'm sure after a few years of therapy you will get over it.

X-Bit is not a major site? Could've fooled me. Is liking AT reviews a prerequisite to joining these forums? I didn't realize the TOS forbade us from critiquing AT reviews, especially in comparison with other better reviews.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
And why should I believe AT over another site?

So you just thread crap here, you don't actually like the site?

Do you just follow me around and crap on my posts, and spew Nv propaganda at every opportunity? I have no reason to favor one site over another, including this one. And unlike you, I actually posted some links in my posts to support my reasoning, which you conveniently failed to address.

Why not just quote ATI.com about how awesome their products are.

Why dont I let the results speak for themselves...

All of the major sites show the GTX512 CRUSHING the XT. I know it hurts you dearly to hear this and I'm sure after a few years of therapy you will get over it.

LOL, crushing... That sure doesnt look like it in 6 out of the 7 games tested here. It's not me who needs therapy - but the crazy peeps who shelled out somewhere around $750 - $1000+ for a card that's about to become obsolete in a month.

No no X-Bit doesn't count right now because it shows the XT in a better light. Maybe when they have a review up that favors nVidia by disabling AF and ignoring the $200+ premium on the Press Edition 512 GTX, they will become respectable and a major site again. 😉

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Your post is overly simplistic and generalizes.

1. The 256MB 7800GTX released in June is not a competitor to the 512MB X1800XT, released November. The fact that lack of sales and level of performance has driven the X1800XT closer to the 256MB GTX than it's real competition, the 512MB GTX that came out within 10 days of it, is irrelevant.

LOL :laugh:
That's gotta be one of the funniest things i've heard.
What happened in June means nothing, & the fact that the two cards came out at similar times also means nothing.
Normal people compare cards of similar prices, not release dates 😕

At the present (unlike you, most of us do live in the present 😉), the X1800XT is a lot closer in price to the 7800GTX 256 MB than to the very rare 7800GTX 512 MB, & it's performance using AA & AF at high resolutions is significantly better.

2. 7800GTXs are a close third for the fastest gaming video card on the planet, and exceed the second place card at some games.

Err, i am well aware of that, in case you weren't able to read.
There are a few games in which the 7800GTX 256 MB is better, & i stated that, but that's rare, & overall, there's no argument over which card performs better, especially when AA & AF are used.

3. Reading a guy with a X850XT PE say "I guess if there are people who don't like AA & AF, then the 7800GTX 256 MB is the card for them 😕" is a little like listening to a wino yell out of his refridgerator box,"Houses suck!".You have to acknowledge the bum's right to say it, but it's hard to give it much credence when he's so far beneath the homeowners.

If the 7800GTX, that stomps your card flat and wipes it's feet on the stain, is for people who don't like AA/AF, who is your card for? People who like Excel? 😉

Honestly, i'm not sure what there is to say to this, since that comment is ridiculously irrelevent.
However, since you asked what my card is for, i'll tell you.

In my case, it's for someone who doesn't have shitloads of money.
I bought my X850XT PE for $420 Cdn. at a time when they were selling for about $700 Cdn.
It actually cost me less than my 6800GT (which is what i had till i got the X850).
It's not a great card by today's standards at all, but one of the reasons i made this thread was because i was surprised at how well it held up compared to the current gen 7800GT/X1800XL.
Simply put, i had sorta thought those two may be an upgrade path.
I guess i was a bit surprised at how decently my "old" card does.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky
I actually posted some links in my posts to support my reasoning, which you conveniently failed to address.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/geforce-7800gtx-512/index.x?pg=13

The GeForce 7800 GTX 512 is easily the fastest graphics card on the planet. Even so, its cooler doesn't sound like a hair dryer, and the card has a little bit of overclocking headroom left.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODg1LDE0

The 512 MB GeForce 7800 GTX provides a better gaming experience in all the games we evaluated than a Radeon X1800 XT.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/285/29/

I came, I saw, I conquered. That's the phrase NVIDIA had in mind for the past few weeks and exactly what they managed to do.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2607&p=11

This week we have another successful hard launch from NVIDIA with parts available on the day of the announcement. We would once again like to commend NVIDIA on the excellent job they have done in setting the standard for handling product launches. The benefits to reviewers, vendors, merchants, and consumers alike are huge. We can talk about a product without having to worry if what we are playing with will ever exist or not, and consumers can avoid the confusion that vaporware and paper launches add to the market.

0WND!

 

[aatf510]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2607&p=11

This week we have another successful hard launch from NVIDIA with parts available on the day of the announcement. We would once again like to commend NVIDIA on the excellent job they have done in setting the standard for handling product launches. The benefits to reviewers, vendors, merchants, and consumers alike are huge. We can talk about a product without having to worry if what we are playing with will ever exist or not, and consumers can avoid the confusion that vaporware and paper launches add to the market.

0WND!

🙂 hahaha, how ironic!

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: RolloThat's if you believe XBit and take their word as gospel. I don't, from what I've seen they do what they can to make ATI look good.

Funny how the reviews here paint a MUCH different picture.

Well, anandtech has always been Nvidia biased. I agree with a previous poster that they seem to have a knack for picking games/settings that make NV look good just a little too often.

Run a different set of games ... nordic with the 7800GTX (256) in HQ mode. The X1800 XT beat it by a huge margin overall.

http://www.nordichardware.com/Reviews/?page=1&skrivelse=449

 

[RobertR1]

So xbit uses the latest games to test the latest hardware with the latest drivers and their results are not good enough? What a joke.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
So xbit uses the latest games to test the latest hardware with the latest drivers and their results are not good enough? What a joke.

Well according to the article....

At this time, the absolutely fastest graphics card officially unveiled is NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX 512

So they came to the same conclusion as all of the other sites I listed.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: RobertR1
So xbit uses the latest games to test the latest hardware with the latest drivers and their results are not good enough? What a joke.

Well according to the article....

At this time, the absolutely fastest graphics card officially unveiled is NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX 512

So they came to the same conclusion as all of the other sites I listed.

No one is arguing that the 7800GTX 512 is the best performing card. People are simply stating the for the price and availbility the x1800xt is the best value between the 3 ultra high end cards and for some reason people like you think that people we are knocking the 7800GTX 512's performance. If the street price difference between the x1800xt and the GTX512 was the same as the GTX256 and x1800xt, there would be no debate. Unfortunately, that is not the case and thus the x1800xt is a great performer for it's price and availability. Why do have such a hard time admitting this?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
stating the for the price and availbility the x1800xt is the best value between the 3 ultra high end cards and for some reason people like you think that people we are knocking the 7800GTX 512's performance. If the street price difference between the x1800xt and the GTX512 was the same as the GTX256 and x1800xt, there would be no debate. Unfortunately, that is not the case and thus the x1800xt is a great performer for it's price and availability. Why do have such a hard time admitting this?

Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $100 price tag the XT does not offer a whole lot more over the 256GTX. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

No one is arguing that the 7800GTX 512 is the best performing card. People are simply stating the for the price and availbility the x1800xt is the best value between the 3 ultra high end cards and for some reason people like you think that people we are knocking the 7800GTX 512's performance. If the street price difference between the x1800xt and the GTX512 was the same as the GTX256 and x1800xt, there would be no debate. Unfortunately, that is not the case and thus the x1800xt is a great performer for it's price and availability. Why do have such a hard time admitting this?

QFT

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $100 price tag the XT does not offer a whole lot more over the 256GTX. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.

Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $250+++ price tag the GXT512 does not offer a whole lot more over the XT. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.


:roll:

EDIT: btw the price difference is $50, not 100.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $100 price tag the XT does not offer a whole lot more over the 256GTX. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.

Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $250+++ price tag the GXT512 does not offer a whole lot more over the XT. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.


:roll:

EDIT: btw the price difference is $50, not 100.

Your obvious points will be wasted on him

I'm starting to notice the Wreckage is the nvidia counterpart of SSXeon and Shadairhardin from Rage3d combined.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/geforce-7800gtx-512/index.x?pg=13

Month old article.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODg1LDE0

The 512 MB GeForce 7800 GTX provides a better gaming experience in all the games we evaluated than a Radeon X1800 XT.

Yep another month old article.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/285/29/

I came, I saw, I conquered. That's the phrase NVIDIA had in mind for the past few weeks and exactly what they managed to do.

Guru3D=nVidia fanboys. If DH is pro-ATi then Guru3D is the nVidia equivalent.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2607&p=11

This week we have another successful hard launch from NVIDIA with parts available on the day of the announcement. We would once again like to commend NVIDIA on the excellent job they have done in setting the standard for handling product launches. The benefits to reviewers, vendors, merchants, and consumers alike are huge. We can talk about a product without having to worry if what we are playing with will ever exist or not, and consumers can avoid the confusion that vaporware and paper launches add to the market.

AT video reviews suck. Find something that isn't half-assed and not a month old.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: toattett

Originally posted by: Wreckage

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2607&p=11

This week we have another successful hard launch from NVIDIA with parts available on the day of the announcement. We would once again like to commend NVIDIA on the excellent job they have done in setting the standard for handling product launches. The benefits to reviewers, vendors, merchants, and consumers alike are huge. We can talk about a product without having to worry if what we are playing with will ever exist or not, and consumers can avoid the confusion that vaporware and paper launches add to the market.

0WND!

🙂 hahaha, how ironic!

Indeed. 😉

 

[aatf510]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $100 price tag the XT does not offer a whole lot more over the 256GTX. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.

Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $250+++ price tag the GXT512 does not offer a whole lot more over the XT. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.


:roll:

EDIT: btw the price difference is $50, not 100.

Your obvious points will be wasted on him

I'm starting to notice the Wreckage is the nvidia counterpart of SSXeon and Shadairhardin from Rage3d combined.

Very well said. The XT seems to carry the best value out of the all.
The 512MB GTX retail for $699, and it's not going over $1000.
I would really like to have one of the 512MB GTX, however, I placed a step-up request on the first day the card was released, but according to what is happening over at eVGA forum I think I am not quick enough to click to step up, and so I am never going to get one.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Rollo
A. I don't "defend nVidia".

LOL. That's a classic line, up there with:
"I am not an atomic playboy"
"I didn't inhale"
"Read my lips - no new taxes"
and of course,
"I did not have sex with that woman"

Originally posted by: Rollo
C.I didn't attack anyone, it's a fair question. The colorful analogy only serves to illustrate it.

Exactly. I'm not attacking anyone either, just making a likewise "colorful analogy". 🙂

Remember kids, Forumgate, is spelled with an A, an E, and a G. Brought to you by the color of money.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: toattett

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $100 price tag the XT does not offer a whole lot more over the 256GTX. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.

Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $250+++ price tag the GXT512 does not offer a whole lot more over the XT. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.


:roll:

EDIT: btw the price difference is $50, not 100.

Your obvious points will be wasted on him

I'm starting to notice the Wreckage is the nvidia counterpart of SSXeon and Shadairhardin from Rage3d combined.

Very well said. The XT seems to carry the best value out of the all.
The 512MB GTX retail for $699, and it's not going over $1000.
I would really like to have one of the 512MB GTX, however, I placed a step-up request on the first day the card was released, but according to what is happening over at eVGA forum I think I am not quick enough to click to step up, and so I am never going to get one.

:laugh:

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Rollo
A. I don't "defend nVidia".

LOL. That's a classic line, up there with:
"I am not an atomic playboy"
"I didn't inhale"
"Read my lips - no new taxes"
and of course,
"I did not have sex with that woman"

Originally posted by: Rollo
C.I didn't attack anyone, it's a fair question. The colorful analogy only serves to illustrate it.

Exactly. I'm not attacking anyone either, just making a likewise "colorful analogy". 🙂

Remember kids, Forumgate, is spelled with an A, an E, and a G. Brought to you by the color of money.

:laugh:

Oh man that's quality 😀

 

[BFG10K]

The GTX512 was not paper launched, it sold out.

I suppose that's one possible spin on it.

Here is a nice article using a 6800ultra at 2048x1536. ATI gives a vague response as to their resolution cut off.

Thanks for posting a link to back my claims.

Many do, and soon many more will.

This has what do with my comment about the benchmarks in the article?

The performance hit they are taking in SM3.0 games will become more obvious with each new game release.

Except SM 3.0 doesn't necessarily cause performance hits; in many cases it can provide free performance gains.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
I actually posted some links in my posts to support my reasoning, which you conveniently failed to address.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/geforce-7800gtx-512/index.x?pg=13

The GeForce 7800 GTX 512 is easily the fastest graphics card on the planet. Even so, its cooler doesn't sound like a hair dryer, and the card has a little bit of overclocking headroom left.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODg1LDE0

The 512 MB GeForce 7800 GTX provides a better gaming experience in all the games we evaluated than a Radeon X1800 XT.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/285/29/

I came, I saw, I conquered. That's the phrase NVIDIA had in mind for the past few weeks and exactly what they managed to do.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2607&p=11

This week we have another successful hard launch from NVIDIA with parts available on the day of the announcement. We would once again like to commend NVIDIA on the excellent job they have done in setting the standard for handling product launches. The benefits to reviewers, vendors, merchants, and consumers alike are huge. We can talk about a product without having to worry if what we are playing with will ever exist or not, and consumers can avoid the confusion that vaporware and paper launches add to the market.

0WND!

What's your point? I know the 512gtx is the fastest single card so far. But as has been shown earlier in this thread, in most games its lead over the XT is a lot smaller than the lead of the XT over the 256gtx, not to mention the ridiculous price it goes for if you're lucky to find one. Would I rather pay $50-100 more for the XT for 20-50% more performance AND better features, or pay $200-500 on top of that and wait for a month to get the card for 0-15% additional performance with primitive features and worse IQ? Hmmm, that's a really tough choice right there, and that's not even considering the OC'ing headroom of each card. Your definition of OWNAGE is laughable. :laugh:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: nts
Actually for having an extra 256mb of memory and a dual slot cooler plus an extra $250+++ price tag the GXT512 does not offer a whole lot more over the XT. In fact it still loses in some benchmarks despite all of that extra crap.


:roll:

EDIT: btw the price difference is $50, not 100.

At least the GTX 512 was a clear winner over the XT, something the XT was not able to do over the GTX 256.

I love how the ATI fanbois find one "bulk" ATI card for $50 off and that sets the price for all of them. I saw a GTX for $400 at the flea market so that makes it still $100 cheaper. :roll:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
Your obvious points will be wasted on him

I'm starting to notice the Wreckage is the nvidia counterpart of SSXeon and Shadairhardin from Rage3d combined.

While you, munky & m0rph feel right at home at Rage3d. Calling the kettle black does not help your cause any.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Month old article.

Yep another month old article.

It would be easier for you to stick your fingers in your ears and scream so you did not have to listen to reason.

AT video reviews suck. Find something that isn't half-assed and not a month old.

Feel free to go some where else.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky
What's your point? I know the 512gtx is the fastest single card so far. But as has been shown earlier in this thread, in most games its lead over the XT is a lot smaller than the lead of the XT over the 256gtx, not to mention the ridiculous price it goes for if you're lucky to find one.

I agree the price is high and it's tough to find, I was only using the articles to counter the FUD that it was not the overall fastest card.

Would I rather pay $50-100 more for the XT

Other than one "bulk" card on the internet you will end up paying $100 - $150 more.

for 20-50% more performance

A pure exaggeration on your part as the XT even fell behind the GTX256 in some benchmarks.

Your definition of OWNAGE is laughable. :laugh:

You said I was not backing my claims with links and in 2 minutes I found 4, from some of the top sites that backed my statements.