WWYD if you had the big C?

Ichinisan · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
Has anyone ever though that maybe the cancer industry is complete BS, and that the cure for cancer already exists but the people who stand to lose money on non-effective drug treatment doesn't see a monetary incentive to produce a cure?

I was under the impression that chemo, radiation, and surgery were the only tools we have to fight cancer, but after a bit of research, I no longer think that to be the case.

Strk · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
Has anyone ever though that maybe the cancer industry is complete BS, and that the cure for cancer already exists but the people who stand to lose money on non-effective drug treatment doesn't see a monetary incentive to produce a cure?

I was under the impression that chemo, radiation, and surgery were the only tools we have to fight cancer, but after a bit of research, I no longer think that to be the case.

Because there is only one type of cancer? It's not that easy.

The term cancer is so generic it makes the idea of a cure way too simple. There's a reason why something like prostate has a 90%+ survival rate and brain or bone cancer is pretty much a death sentence. You also have a few grey area ones like pancreatic cancer. And I say grey area because the reason it is so deadly is because you remain asymptomatic until it is too late, which is difficult to understand considering how essential the pancreas is to everyday life.

Crono · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
Has anyone ever though that maybe the cancer industry is complete BS, and that the cure for cancer already exists but the people who stand to lose money on non-effective drug treatment doesn't see a monetary incentive to produce a cure?

I was under the impression that chemo, radiation, and surgery were the only tools we have to fight cancer, but after a bit of research, I no longer think that to be the case.

You would have to be a conspiracy nut to believe that and think that every researcher, company, scientist, and the supporting infrastructure in the industry is working together to keep cancer cures away from us... without any leaks, too.

There's plenty of money to be made from a "cure" (and as others have pointed out many a time, there's unlikely to be a single cure, as different cancers present and form in ways that make it extremely difficult to target even one type, let alone all). Especially if you are first - there's no question an individual or company could make much, much more from a cure than treatments which are expensive to develop and rapidly are phased out.

On top of that, you have to dehumanize everyone in the industry and believe that none of the people have family members who have fallen victim to cancer. Even if a few CEOs and upper management individuals were that far-gone morally, you'd have to be extremely deluded to believe everyone is.

And if you think just one or two companies or a handful of people are keeping the big secret cure in their pocket.... no, that doesn't make sense, either. The way markets work, every company and research team is paranoid enough that someone will beat them to market, and they'll lose out on fame and money.

Not to mention the status you'd have as the one who cured cancer. That's the dream goal of many people who aren't even interested in the money, or at least not as much as the glory. Do you not know anyone involved in scientific/academic research?

And if you truly believe big cancer is holding back a cure, what kind of a asshole would you be for not going in and stealing the cure for the world?

disappoint · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
Has anyone ever though that maybe the cancer industry is complete BS, and that the cure for cancer already exists but the people who stand to lose money on non-effective drug treatment doesn't see a monetary incentive to produce a cure?

I was under the impression that chemo, radiation, and surgery were the only tools we have to fight cancer, but after a bit of research, I no longer think that to be the case.

Unfortunately you're not the first, and you won't be the last.

Much like invisible guys in the sky and aliens from outer space probing anuses, this kind of extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence if you want sane people to believe it.

Gibsons · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
Has anyone ever though that maybe the cancer industry is complete BS, and that the cure for cancer already exists but the people who stand to lose money on non-effective drug treatment doesn't see a monetary incentive to produce a cure?

Yes, lots of people have thought this.

mmntech · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
Has anyone ever though that maybe the cancer industry is complete BS, and that the cure for cancer already exists but the people who stand to lose money on non-effective drug treatment doesn't see a monetary incentive to produce a cure?

I was under the impression that chemo, radiation, and surgery were the only tools we have to fight cancer, but after a bit of research, I no longer think that to be the case.

A great man though the same way. You may have heard of him. A little tech entrepreneur by the name of Steve Jobs.

He's dead. :\

Linux23 · Feb 15, 2015

mmntech said:
A great man though the same way. You may have heard of him. A little tech entrepreneur by the name of Steve Jobs.

He's dead. :\

http://gerson.org/gerpress/

was he on this? or was he taking the advice of the AMA and the standard course of treating cancer, aka (chemo, radiation, surgery)?

great doesn't always equate to being smart.

what about http://www.essiacinfo.org/

they have acutally cured cancer. pancreatic cancer at that which is supposed to be a death sentence. people have actually lived longer than taking the standard route which is poisonous to our bodies.

i'm curious as to what Jobs's therapy was?

Linux23 · Feb 15, 2015

Strk said:
Because there is only one type of cancer? It's not that easy.

The term cancer is so generic it makes the idea of a cure way too simple. There's a reason why something like prostate has a 90%+ survival rate and brain or bone cancer is pretty much a death sentence. You also have a few grey area ones like pancreatic cancer. And I say grey area because the reason it is so deadly is because you remain asymptomatic until it is too late, which is difficult to understand considering how essential the pancreas is to everyday life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

Cancer to me is cancer. Whether it originates from one part of the body then spreads is no different. it's a abnormal cell growth no?

Linux23 · Feb 15, 2015

Gibsons said:
Yes, lots of people have thought this.

yeah, yeah, yeah, i posted while i was about to go to a concert at MSG so my spelling wasn't impeccable.

Linux23 · Feb 15, 2015

disappoint said:
Unfortunately you're not the first, and you won't be the last.

Much like invisible guys in the sky and aliens from outer space probing anuses, this kind of extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence if you want sane people to believe it.

just like cannibis has no medical uses huh?

Linux23 · Feb 15, 2015

Crono said:
You would have to be a conspiracy nut to believe that and think that every researcher, company, scientist, and the supporting infrastructure in the industry is working together to keep cancer cures away from us... without any leaks, too.

There's plenty of money to be made from a "cure" (and as others have pointed out many a time, there's unlikely to be a single cure, as different cancers present and form in ways that make it extremely difficult to target even one type, let alone all). Especially if you are first - there's no question an individual or company could make much, much more from a cure than treatments which are expensive to develop and rapidly are phased out.

On top of that, you have to dehumanize everyone in the industry and believe that none of the people have family members who have fallen victim to cancer. Even if a few CEOs and upper management individuals were that far-gone morally, you'd have to be extremely deluded to believe everyone is.

And if you think just one or two companies or a handful of people are keeping the big secret cure in their pocket.... no, that doesn't make sense, either. The way markets work, every company and research team is paranoid enough that someone will beat them to market, and they'll lose out on fame and money.

Not to mention the status you'd have as the one who cured cancer. That's the dream goal of many people who aren't even interested in the money, or at least not as much as the glory. Do you not know anyone involved in scientific/academic research?

And if you truly believe big cancer is holding back a cure, what kind of a asshole would you be for not going in and stealing the cure for the world?

why would i cure something that has an endless revenue stream? it's all about profits. and while i can profit one time on a cure. i can profit endlessly with providing bullshit treatments that cost families a shit ton of money. do the math.

amdhunter · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 · Feb 15, 2015

amdhunter said:

not sure what you're getting at here?

Crono · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
why would i cure something that has an endless revenue stream? it's all about profits. and while i can profit one time on a cure. i can profit endlessly with providing bullshit treatments that cost families a shit ton of money. do the math.

No, you do the math. It makes perfect sense to make and sell a cure with any competition and the current heavy R&D costs and relatively short life of any given cancer treatment. And while you are at it, try reading and responding to any of the points I actually made if you are going to quote me.

The "I" here isn't a single corporation or individual. Apply some logic, please.

Strk · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

Cancer to me is cancer. Whether it originates from one part of the body then spreads is no different. it's a abnormal cell growth no?

Your body produces irregular cells all the time. They're usually killed by natural killer cells. But there are so many sources and so many differences even when it happens. I mean, look at lymphoma.

Linux23 · Feb 15, 2015

Crono said:
No, you do the math. It makes perfect sense to make and sell a cure with any competition and the current heavy R&D costs and relatively short life of any given cancer treatment. And while you are at it, try reading and responding to any of the points I actually made if you are going to quote me. The "I" here isn't a single corporation or individual. Apply some logic, please.

i see you're a dummie. have you looked at all of the references i've linked or are you from the medical community and regurgitating bullshit fed to you from the ADA?

Printer Bandit · Feb 15, 2015

people that buy into with the gov't and MS media spoon feeds them are the most unfortunate.

Crono · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
i see you're a dummie. have you looked at all of the references i've linked or are you from the medical community and regurgitating bullshit fed to you from the ADA?

Yes, I'm a "dummie".
Have you even looked at your references? There's no cure, and there's no one keeping a cure from you or anyone else. And no, I'm not from the medical community or in league with the ADA. Not that it would invalidate my points even if were. Not knowing what you are talking about doesn't make you a better authority, by the way, just the opposite. Knowing how scientific research works - even possessing a basic understanding - shows you how absurd your notion of a cancer cure being withheld from us is.

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You still haven't bothered to address my points, so I am going to assume you are immune to logic, are too lazy to read, or are a troll. I'm done arguing, in any case.

amdhunter · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
not sure what you're getting at here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfHqv8YAA9w

I was thinking of the other C word... :awe:

Gibsons · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

Cancer to me is cancer. Whether it originates from one part of the body then spreads is no different. it's a abnormal cell growth no?

Kind of like saying John Gacy is the same thing as the guy who takes up two parking spaces. They're both breaking the law, no?

ImpulsE69 · Feb 15, 2015

Gibsons said:
Kind of like saying John Gacy is the same thing as the guy who takes up two parking spaces. They're both breaking the law, no?

by some of the comments that get said in these forums, you would think so.

MongGrel · Feb 15, 2015

Linux23 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

Cancer to me is cancer. Whether it originates from one part of the body then spreads is no different. it's a abnormal cell growth no?

I try to hope not, but it probably is.

DrPizza · Feb 16, 2015

Hopefully, anyone who thinks that there is a cure that's being kept secret can understand this: If company A discovers a cure and they sit on it, there isn't some sort of magic preventing Company B, or C, or D, or E, or, ..., or University 1, or University 2, or, ..., from rediscovering it. A patent on the cure would likely be worth hundreds of millions, if not billions, over the course of a decade. Do you really think individuals are going to turn down incredible wealth for themselves just to perpetuate an industry?

jman19 · Feb 16, 2015

Linux23 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

Cancer to me is cancer. Whether it originates from one part of the body then spreads is no different. it's a abnormal cell growth no?

Gross oversimplification.

Linux23 · Feb 16, 2015

Printer Bandit said:
people that buy into with the gov't and MS media spoon feeds them are the most unfortunate.

yep, my family and I bought into the standard of care and yep, my aunt had to pay the dues and suffer from lung cancer, who never smoked a day in her life.

i was young at the time but when they sent a priest up, i thought it was for a prayer and miracle. what i wasn't getting was that it was for us to say goodbye because modern medicine didn't have an answer. she passed away two days later. i still feel the hurt in my heart.

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