WWII: Lets save the Jews from genocide by relocating them to Arab central. WTF?

[JEDI]

aka Isreal

so its not like the phrase "from the frying pan into the fire" since, literally, Germany was tossing Jews into the fire. but somewhat close to it.

Just thought of the irony

 

[Turin39789]

no one else wanted them / wanted to give up land. so they re-homed them to a territory the brits were occupying

 

[jhu]

I thought they wanted to be there?

 

[Strk]

I think the only country that was really willing to take them was Cuba.

It's pretty common for most countries to take the stance of "screw refugees."

 

[WHAMPOM]

It did get Jewish refugees out of the Allied countries, think about it.

 

[theamericans075]

Historically muslims and jews have gotten along just fine in the holy land. I suppose it seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

[WHAMPOM]

no one else wanted them / wanted to give up land. so they re-homed them to a territory the brits were occupying

Arizona and South Africa were open for settlement. But that would have screwed up the prophecy of the coming Apocalypse.

 

[theamericans075]

South Africa has a great history with minorities

 

[Noobtastic]

Historically muslims and jews have gotten along just fine in the holy land. I suppose it seemed like a good idea at the time.

LOL, tripe.

jews were always dhimmis. mohamed wiped out the jewish population of medina, mecca.

50,000+ jews were massacred by muslims during the 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th century.

the arabs were the most supporative of nazi germany.

palestinian mufti of jerusalem was with hitler during WWII.

muslims are pissed because the jews have a state.

 

[HannibalX]

None of you have been to New York?

 

[theamericans075]

LOL, tripe.

jews were always dhimmis. mohamed wiped out the jewish population of medina, mecca.

50,000+ jews were massacred by muslims during the 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th century.

the arabs were the most supporative of nazi germany.

palestinian mufti of jerusalem was with hitler during WWII.

muslims are pissed because the jews have a state.

Christians slaughtered far more Jews during the crusades while Muslims and Jews were just chillin.

The Arabs probably supported Germany because the allies royally fucked them in ww1.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Christians slaughtered far more Jews during the crusades while Muslims and Jews were just chillin.

The Arabs probably supported Germany because the allies royally fucked them in ww1.

nice words but just because Christians did something in the dark ages does not have anything at all to do with the situation now....

The germans lost ww1....the Germans had no allies.....what were the allies suppose to do????

 

[theamericans075]

nice words but just because Christians did something in the dark ages does not have anything at all to do with the situation now....

The germans lost ww1....the Germans had no allies.....what were the allies suppose to do????

The british and french used the arabs to fight the turks on the promise of autonomy. They did not grant it.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The british and french used the arabs to fight the turks on the promise of autonomy. They did not grant it.

Used? As if the Arabs had any great love for the Turks to begin with at all. Also the British and French didn't stay in the Middle-East as long as the Turks (Several hundred years) and in the end the British and French actually did relinquished control and left. If it were not for WW1 the Turks would still be occupying a lot of Arab turf.

 

[Noobtastic]

Christians slaughtered far more Jews during the crusades while Muslims and Jews were just chillin.

Jews had might rights in christian europe than in muslim-conquered europe.

The Arabs probably supported Germany because the allies royally fucked them in ww1.

actually, the allies royally supported the arabs, and royally fucked the jews.

the arabs supported the nazis well before the french and british mandate started rolling.

and the massacre of jews in morroco, syria, palestine, french lebanon, british egypt, etc....ignored.

not to mention the millions of jews who could have been saved but were denied access to palestine because of the racist arabs.

edit: and notice how jews cannot buy land in the the arab world.

a land 4x the size of israel stolen by the arab tribes, 1,000,000 expelled from their homeland.

germany paid 80 billion to compensate for its role in the holocaust, the arab states deny it and wage genocidal war against israel and its allies.

 

[nageov3t]

I don't think that arabs were popularly known as jew-hating suicide bombers back then.

 

[Infohawk]

European Jews wanted to go to the Levant for dumb religious reasons. The world would be much better off today if they just went to the US instead.

 

[Zebo]

Historically muslims and jews have gotten along just fine in the holy land. I suppose it seemed like a good idea at the time.

That's why the Jewrey went into racist European and Slavic arms cause they were treated so great by their Muslim Conquers.:::roll:::
Historically you don't know what you're taking about.. Might I suggest "The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam" by Bat Ye'or

Or hell just look how they are treated today in Nigeria, Pakistan, Egypt or anywhere else they still survive and not yet dead. Summary state supported executions, zero civil rights, daughters kidnapped as young as 9 and forced married into islam and that's with MSM around.

 

[Throckmorton]

We should have given them Utah and sent the Mormons to the Middle East.

 

[Throckmorton]

That's why the Jewrey went into racist European and Slavic arms cause they were treated so great by their Muslim Conquers.:::roll:::
Historically you don't know what you're taking about.. Might I suggest "The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam" by Bat Ye'or

Jews didn't just go to Europe. They spread everywhere and intermarried with local populations. European Jews aren't the same ethnicity as Hebrews, and it's a modern fallacy to assume that they are. Ever notice that they're as white as Conan O'Brien?

 

[Noobtastic]

European Jews wanted to go to the Levant for dumb religious reasons. The world would be much better off today if they just went to the US instead.

Zionism is irreligious. Herzle in fact considered mass-converting Jewish immigrants to Christianity to appease the Arab rulers.

The creation of Israel was not predicated on religion, its opponents however always justified their conflict from a religious-dimension. Naturally ignorant trolls like yourself are quite ignorant of Israel and how it is the most legitimate state currently in existence.

Even 20 centuries of murdering and holocausts still does not satisfy the critics. The Jews cannot have a state because it angers racist fuckers. Well boohoo. We have a military, be nice. We may start treating our enemies like the US treats theirs.

I don't think that arabs were popularly known as jew-hating suicide bombers back then.

no need. jews were charged a jizya tax, could not own weapons, and were regulated to specific areas of the economy. of all religions, the jews were the most persecuted.

well, except for religions that are post-islam, like the bahis. muslims consider all religions post-islam to be hearasy and therefore subject to forced-conversion.

in iran bahis are basically crucified.

the muslims also destroyed the jewish armies, and forced convert any dissent.

though the biggest losers were the hindus. nearly 80 million were murdered by the muslim conquerers in india between the 11th and 14th century.

but the universities wont teach this for fear of angering the muslim lobby.

brief history of muslim antisemitism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism#Islamist_groups

sample of islamic intolerance of jews:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre

4,000 jews killed in 1 day

http://www.hsje.org/Jews Kicked out of Arab Lands Part 2.htm

the jews were treated like dogs by the arabs in morroco, egypt, and syria, well into the 19th century.

jews were forced to live in mellahs:

a name derived from the Arabic word for salt because the Jews in Morocco were
forced to carry out the job of salting the heads of executed prisoners prior "
to their public display.

A young European had this to say when he visited morroco:

"They are the most unfortunate of

men, every Jew belongs body and soul to his seigneur, the sid[Arab master]".

the persecution of Jews was more severe and systematic than the persecution of
Jews in Europe.

Europe ultimately had an enlightenment, unlike the Arab and Muslim world.

And Europe has slowly recognized its historical hatred of Jews,
while the Arabs deflect their hatred by scapegoating Israel
and exploiting the Palestinians to avoid any apology.

in many cases, a single massacre would spark dozens all throughout the
arab world. similar today, where arabs flip out simply from rumors,
like jews harvesting organs.

Many from the West buy into the propaganda that the Jews and Arabs
lived in harmony until the evil Zionists showed up.

This is not only untrue, but insulting to the millions
that suffered at the hands of Arab masters.

And the 1,000,000 Jews cleansed from their land by the Arabs in the 20th
century.

Any Muslim who attacks Israel I consider to be a bigot
because they refuse to look at their own legacy and realize
why Israel exists.

If it weren't for 2,000 years of persecution in every continent,
Jews would not need a state, now would they?

that is what inspired herzle, after witnessing antisemitism in Europe.

and look today, Jews are no longer being killed in Europe.
They have a military, and it pisses off Arabs.

 

[Moonbeam]

PROPHET MUHAMMAD'S TREATY WITH JEWS (622 C.E.)





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Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) decided to leave Mecca because the Meccan chiefs had taken action to kill him at his home. It was the year 622 CE. As far the choice of migrating to Medina (known as Yathrib at that time), the decision was made easier by the second ‘Pledge of Aqaba’ made a year before on the occasion of the annual rites of pilgrimage. The pledge was made by seventy three men and two women of Khazraj and Aws communities of Medina. They had accepted Islam and wanted to invite the Prophet to migrate to Medina. Their motivation for this move, apart from recognizing him as the Prophet, the trustworthy, and the best in conduct in Mecca, was to bring peace and security between the Khazraj and Aws. They were often at war with each other and the Battle of Bu'ath had shattered their strength completely. They desperately needed a leader who could be trusted by both communities and bring peace in Medina. As part of the pledge, they were to protect the Prophet as they would protect their women and children if he were attacked by the Meccans.

Among the people in Medina, there was a small community (three tribes) of Jews with Arab communities constituting the majority of the population. Because of wars going on for several generations, the resources of the Arabs were depleted and their influence in Medina was dwindling. The Jews were traders and many of them used to lend money at exorbitant interest. The continuing wars boosted their economy and personal wealth.

The immediate result of the Prophet’s migration to Medina was peace and unity between the communities of Aws and Khazraj. The Prophet, motivated by the general welfare of citizens of Medina, decided to offer his services to the remaining communities including the Jews. He had already laid down the basis for relationship between the Emigrants from Mecca (known as Muhajirin) and Medinites (known as the Ansar, the helpers).

The Treaty between Muslims, non-Muslim Arabs and Jews of Medina was put in writing and ratified by all parties. It has been preserved by the historians. The document referred Muhammad (pbuh) as the Prophet and Messenger of God but it was understood that the Jews did not have to recognize him as such for their own religious reasons. The major parts of the document were:


“In the name of Allah (The One True God) the Compassionate, the Merciful. This is a document from Muhammad, the Prophet, governing the relation between the Believers from among the Qurayshites (i.e., Emigrants from Mecca) and Yathribites (i.e., the residents of Medina) and those who followed them and joined them and strived with them. They form one and the same community as against the rest of men.
“No Believer shall oppose the client of another Believer. Whosoever is rebellious, or seeks to spread injustice, enmity or sedition among the Believers, the hand of every man shall be against him, even if he be a son of one of them. A Believer shall not kill a Believer in retaliation of an unbeliever, nor shall he help an unbeliever against a Believer.

“Whosoever among the Jews follows us shall have help and equality; they shall not be injured nor shall any enemy be aided against them.... No separate peace will be made when the Believers are fighting in the way of Allah.... The Believers shall avenge the blood of one another shed in the way of Allah ....Whosoever kills a Believer wrongfully shall be liable to retaliation; all the Believers shall be against him as one man and they are bound to take action against him.

“The Jews shall contribute (to the cost of war) with the Believers so long as they are at war with a common enemy. The Jews of Banu Najjar, Banu al-Harith, Banu Sa'idah, Banu Jusham, Banu al-Aws, Banu Tha'labah, Jafnah, and Banu al-Shutaybah enjoy the same rights and priviledges as the Jews of Banu Aws.

“The Jews shall maintain their own religion and the Muslims theirs. Loyalty is a protection against treachery. The close friends of Jews are as themselves. None of them shall go out on a military expedition except with the permission of Muhammad, but he shall not be prevented from taking revenge for a wound.

“The Jews shall be responsible for their expenses and the Believers for theirs. Each, if attacked, shall come to the assistance of the other.

“The valley of Yathrib (Medina) shall be sacred and inviolable for all that join this Treaty. Strangers, under protection, shall be treated on the same ground as their protectors; but no stranger shall be taken under protection except with consent of his tribe....No woman shall be taken under protection without the consent of her family.

Whatever difference or dispute between the parties to this covenant remains unsolved shall be referred to Allah and to Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah. Allah is the Guarantor of the piety and goodness that is embodied in this covenant. Neither the Quraysh nor their allies shall be given any protection.

“The contracting parties are bound to help one another against any attack on Yathrib. If they are called to cease hostilities and to enter into peace, they shall be bound to do so in the interest of peace; and if they make a similar demand on Muslims it must be carried out except when the war is agianst their religion.

“Allah approves the truth and goodwill of this covenant. This treaty shall not protect the unjust or the criminal. Whoever goes out to fight as well as whoever stays at home shall be safe and secure in this city unless he has perpetrated an injustice or commited a crime.... Allah is the protector of the good and God-fearing people.”

The first written constitution of a State ever promulgated by a sovereign in human history emanated from the Prophet of Islam. It was enacted from the first year of Hijrah (622 CE). The treaty stipulated a city state in Medina, allowing wide autonomy to communities. Private justice was to be banished. The head of the State had the prerogative to decide who should participate in an expedition, the war and peace being indivisible. Social insurance was to be instituted.










The name Yathrib was changed to Medinat-un-Nabawi, meaning the 'City of the Prophet' soon after he migrated there. The use of only the first word in that name (i.e., Medinah) became popular later.

 

[Atheus]

the arabs were the most supporative of nazi germany.

Except for the Italians, the Japanese, the Croations... yea pretty much not...

 

[theeedude]

None of you have been to New York?

Seriously, plenty of other discriminated religious groups have relocated to and prospered in the new world. I am Jewish, and I think Zionism is a very dangerous gamble in the long term. The strength of Jewish people has always been the worldwide distributed diaspora, not concentration in one area, sort of like the internet. But if you are going to concentrate them in one area, smack in the middle of a hostile Arab world is probably not the place to do it.

 

[peonyu]

Jews were moving there since the early 1900's. Its the land of Israel, come on. Even when it was officially Palestine, Jews knew Israel was there...So it was a logical choice for them to move there. They could have instead, moved to the region of Russia that Stalin gave them [some place in Siberia, which actually did ok but lacked a decent population].

The Nazis wanted to move them to Madagascar among other areas. But really, Jews had no claim there at all. They wanted thier own country and the only area they have any claim on at all is present day Israel [Idk about the west bank and other areas].