WTH? Google just bought Nest Labs (makers of the Nest Thermostat)

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K1052

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It was nice of Nest to cripple my 1st gen unit with the 4.0 software. Yanked it off the wall and put in a Honeywell. Now that it's Google defiantly not going up again.
 

disappoint

Lifer
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Good morning, Dave.

Would you like to try Amazon Prime for a year, Dave?

Stop data mining me!

I'm afraid I can't do that Dave.


What the hell can you do? I'm out of vinegar can you get me some of that?

Where are your papers Dave?
 

gorcorps

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You realize that you have the option to turn GPS off on your phone? And you don't have to buy a stupid Nest? FFS people.

Even without gps it gets pretty close with known wifi locations and cell tower approximations. You can disable a lot of things, but they're usually on by default.
 

herm0016

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It was nice of Nest to cripple my 1st gen unit with the 4.0 software. Yanked it off the wall and put in a Honeywell. Now that it's Google defiantly not going up again.

the honeywell wifi is better anyway.

thats what we have.
 

spidey07

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Even without gps it gets pretty close with known wifi locations and cell tower approximations. You can disable a lot of things, but they're usually on by default.

Nobody reads the agreement. It just click I agree everytime.

It doesn't read it! It just clicks I agree no matter what the agreement ! Watch! It clicks I agree!
 

Red Squirrel

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Stop data mining me!

I'm afraid I can't do that Dave.


What the hell can you do? I'm out of vinegar can you get me some of that?

Where are your papers Dave?

*Pure acetic acid starts to spray from fire sprinklers*

You will need to dilute this yourself, dave. I am a hal9000 computer. Daisies, daisies.... system error. Abort, Retry, Fail?_
 

Jeff7

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I do like google for searches, and gmail has been nice (but steadily going downhill as new "features" keep being added. How big Google is getting and how far they are from their "don't be evil" philosophy is really quite scary.
And cars that drive themselves, but only to businesses that advertise through Google.
Built-in eye-tracking cameras ensure that you view the necessary amount of in-transit advertising. Until you do, it won't let you out of the car.

"Wow, it's a hot day today, and the engine is now off, as you are at your destination. As the internal temperature of the car rises, consider trying new Evian Hydrothrobocold filtered municipal water! Only 39 seconds of advertisements remaining until door locks are released!"


(Just think...hundreds of millions of hours a year in the US are being wasted on time spent driving. That's time that could be spent looking at ads. Google ads.)
 
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jagec

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I turned off Now because it's a battery hog. But my phone also liked to tell me how long my commute home was as soon as I got to work. Really? Is that something that needs to be updated all day? I did kind of like it telling me based on my calendar and travel time when I should leave home. But it's not worth the battery drain.

Have you ever tried asking it "how do I get home"? Like in the ads?

First result is from Yahoo answers:
Buy some badass wasteland gear, and look like a desert dweller walking to the subdivision. It'll be like the book dune, cept they'll be no giant worms.
:awe:
 

NFS4

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Oct 9, 1999
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It was nice of Nest to cripple my 1st gen unit with the 4.0 software. Yanked it off the wall and put in a Honeywell. Now that it's Google defiantly not going up again.

I have two first gen Nest units that worked perfectly until the 4.0 update. Then the WiFi would keep disconnecting, meaning I couldn't access the thermostats remotely.

I complained on Nest's Facebook page and they force updated me to 4.0.1. No more problems.
 

drebo

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Feb 24, 2006
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Don't pretty much all smartphones have a temperature sensor in them?

Couldn't google just get the temp from those?
 

Colt45

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This is very benign compared to them buying boston dynamics, as far as skynet is concerned.
 

rockyct

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Jun 23, 2001
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This is very benign compared to them buying boston dynamics, as far as skynet is concerned.

I'm not sure about that. There would be mass rioting if everyone's AC turned on right now or if the heater went on during the summer.

I would say they overpaid, but they probably are sitting on a massive pile of cash. They may as well spend $3 billion on the latest popular consumer gadget.
 

Doppel

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I know two Nest owners. They like them. I still don't get the point of it, and I'm a bit of a gadget whore. It continues to seem to me a solution looking for a problem.

It sure is perty though and it can be used through an iPhone, so valuation+++++++
 

JTsyo

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Nov 18, 2007
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how the F was nest worth 3.2 billion???

My guess is that they're working on something that really interests Google. The next stop seems to be a smart house, so many a step in that direction.
 

Nintendesert

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Can someone explain to me how these gadgets save anyone any money? I guess if someone is too stupid to program their thermostat, but my old ass cheapo one has the ability to set each day's temperature based on the times I set.

Is there some feature I'm missing on these things that make the energy savings superior to me setting the temperatures when I'm most likely to be home or away?
 

Eug

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$3.2 billion seems very, very expensive for Nest. I guess Google felt that the potential for Nest was high, but it reminds me of the expensive dot-com purchases before the bubble burst.

It was nice of Nest to cripple my 1st gen unit with the 4.0 software. Yanked it off the wall and put in a Honeywell. Now that it's Google defiantly not going up again.
I personally think of Nest as a gimmick myself. I wouldn't consider it for the price, but maybe would have considered it for say half the price, just for the geek factor. That said, I don't think it's completely compatible with my setup anyway since it's a full variable-stage furnace with HRV.

However, I'm a little surprised they put out a fubar'd OS. What's wrong with 4.0? I'm curious.

I have a second spot where I could use a Nest, but again the cost seems prohibitive, and I would lose out on the auto-sensing features there, since people rarely walk past that particular thermostat, but because there are pets there I still need to keep the place reasonably warm all day long. So, it's easier to just set it at say 18C and forget about it.

Can someone explain to me how these gadgets save anyone any money? I guess if someone is too stupid to program their thermostat, but my old ass cheapo one has the ability to set each day's temperature based on the times I set.

Is there some feature I'm missing on these things that make the energy savings superior to me setting the temperatures when I'm most likely to be home or away?
At least in Toronto, Nest really lucked out for their rollout. When they rolled out in a big way, it was just before one of the mildest Toronto winters in recent history. I know a couple of people who installed these in their homes, and proceeded to have huge savings that winter. They started evangelizing nest to everyone, including me. I laughed, and mentioned that I also had huge savings that winter even with an ancient and cheap 5+2 programmable thermostat, but they wouldn't listen. They attributed all the savings to Nest, not the fact that that winter was exceptionally warm.

I do see Nest potentially saving in a couple of instances, specifically as you say for people who can't properly program their thermostats, but also their auto-sensing feature can also help things. In my case though, I would guess the savings would be minimal, if any, which would mean the cost of the thermostat would take a very long time to amortize. IOW, if you can program a regular programmable thermostat properly for your personal needs, the real "advantage" of Nest is mainly just the geek factor.
 
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sontakke

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Nest has 300 employees. $3+Billions purchase price. Average per employee > $10 Millions.
 

Nintendesert

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$3.2 billion seems very, very expensive for Nest. I guess Google felt that the potential for Nest was high, but it reminds me of the expensive dot-com purchases before the bubble burst.


I personally think of Nest as a gimmick myself. I wouldn't consider it for the price, but maybe would have considered it for say half the price, just for the geek factor. That said, I don't think it's completely compatible with my setup anyway since it's a full variable-stage furnace with HRV.

However, I'm a little surprised they put out a fubar'd OS. What's wrong with 4.0? I'm curious.

I have a second spot where I could use a Nest, but again the cost seems prohibitive, and I would lose out on the auto-sensing features there, since people rarely walk past that particular thermostat, but because there are pets there I still need to keep the place reasonably warm all day long. So, it's easier to just set it at say 18C and forget about it.


At least in Toronto, Nest really lucked out for their rollout. When they rolled out in a big way, it was just before one of the mildest Toronto winters in recent history. I know a couple of people who installed these in their homes, and proceeded to have huge savings that winter. They started evangelizing nest to everyone, including me. I laughed, and mentioned that I also had huge savings that winter even with an ancient and cheap 5+2 programmable thermostat, but they wouldn't listen. They attributed all the savings to Nest, not the fact that that winter was exceptionally warm.

I do see Nest potentially saving in a couple of instances, specifically as you say for people who can't properly program their thermostats, but also their auto-sensing feature can also help things. In my case though, I would guess the savings would be minimal, if any, which would mean the cost of the thermostat would take a very long time to amortize. IOW, if you can program a regular programmable thermostat properly for your personal needs, the real "advantage" of Nest is mainly just the geek factor.



Thanks, that's what I figured. :\
 

Vdubchaos

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Clearly Google has very little common sense.

Or they are simply trying to really piss off Apple as we all know Apple loves Nest.

IMO Nest = gimmick. I wouldn't buy it for $40 bucks.....make that 20. We don't even have a need for a programmable thermostat....