WTFBBQ: Run Mac OS on your PC FASTERR than MAC??

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: thujone
isn't this kinda moot considering they're going to start making macs with intel chips anyway?

Yes, but it will be locked to Apple specified hardware.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Vertimus
... didnt' we already decide on shens?

No, I downloaded it the other day.

BTW, did you get it to work yet? And what system are you trying it on?

I got it to work somewhat.

The first problem I was having was due to the unzip utlility I was using. With ZipGenius, all the files were there but the main image file was only 2 gigs. I tried it both here and at work, and it wouldn't work. Then I downloaded WinRAR and used that, and using that the image file comes out to be 6 gigs. It boots up on my Athlon2000 but the only thing that my MacOS says is that I need to restart my computer. I don't think I have SSE2, which is required.

Therefore I should have more success on my P-M or my desktop P4.

Yes, you definitely will.

Here are my tips for you so you don't make the same mistakes I did:

1. Use WinRAR to unzip the file. ZipGenius will unzip it, but the filesize of one of the files will be different and it won't work.
2. Use VMWare 5. Using 4 will give you errors and it won't run.
3. In VMWare, redirect the path to the floppy drive image. By default it looks for the location he had it in and gives an error.
4. Have a CPU with SSE2. It won't work if you don't have it.
5. Edit your virtual machine in VMware and remove the sound card. It won't work anyway, so you might as well get rid of the error message.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Vertimus
... didnt' we already decide on shens?

No, I downloaded it the other day.

BTW, did you get it to work yet? And what system are you trying it on?

I got it to work somewhat.

The first problem I was having was due to the unzip utlility I was using. With ZipGenius, all the files were there but the main image file was only 2 gigs. I tried it both here and at work, and it wouldn't work. Then I downloaded WinRAR and used that, and using that the image file comes out to be 6 gigs. It boots up on my Athlon2000 but the only thing that my MacOS says is that I need to restart my computer. I don't think I have SSE2, which is required.

Therefore I should have more success on my P-M or my desktop P4.

Yes, you definitely will.

Here are my tips for you so you don't make the same mistakes I did:

1. Use VMWare 5. Using 4 will give you errors and it won't run.
2. Use WinRAR to unzip the file. ZipGenius will unzip it, but the filesize of one of the files will be different and it won't work.
3. In VMWare, redirect the path to the floppy drive image. By default it looks for the location he had it in.
4. Have a CPU with SSE2. It won't work if you don't have it.
5. Edit your virtual machine in VMware and remove the sound card. It won't work anyway, so you might as well get rid of the error message.

Doh, I don't know what version my VMWare is. I already use WinRAR for daily use anyways. I think my sound card for the Dell laptop might work just because it should be based off intel chipset which is what the new Macs will be based off anyways. I'll try it though. It's definitely not gonna work on my desktop Audigy.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: thujone
isn't this kinda moot considering they're going to start making macs with intel chips anyway?

No, because they have a hardware check to make sure you only use it on a Mac. But you can crack it and run it on your non-Mac PC. This is done using the developer's version. That's the difference between spending $500 to try out OSX and spending $0. Of course downloading it and installing it on your PC for free is illegal so I don't recommend that, pff. I'm sure you have 0 mp3's on your HD, too.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: thujone
isn't this kinda moot considering they're going to start making macs with intel chips anyway?

No, because they have a hardware check to make sure you only use it on a Mac. But you can crack it and run it on your non-Mac PC. This is done using the developer's version. That's the difference between spending $500 to try out OSX and spending $0. Of course downloading it and installing it on your PC for free is illegal so I don't recommend that, pff. I'm sure you have 0 mp3's on your HD, too.

I like jaywalking .

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Anubis
well considering its slow as hell on a mac im gonna say yea

My 1.2GHz G4 runs Tiger just fine...::shrugs::

Running dreamweaver on my Mac Mini (using Tiger), TYPING is lagged. TYPING. OSX is beautiful and I do love basically everything about it, except speed. I can't wait until x86 macs come out.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: remagavon

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Anubis
well considering its slow as hell on a mac im gonna say yea

My 1.2GHz G4 runs Tiger just fine...::shrugs::

Running dreamweaver on my Mac Mini (using Tiger), TYPING is lagged. TYPING. OSX is beautiful and I do love basically everything about it, except speed. I can't wait until x86 macs come out.

Do you use a high resolution display?

Despite what I had originally expected, the on-board Radeon 9200 is a bit of a performance limitation. I had the Mac mini hooked up to a 23" Cinema Display running its native resolution of 1920 x 1200 and was wondering why Exposé and a handful of other animations were choppy. After tinkering with resolutions, I found out why. At resolutions above 1280 x 960, the Radeon 9200's 32MB of local frame buffer isn't enough to handle Exposé of even just four windows - swapping to main memory, and thus reducing the smoothness of the Exposé effects. At 1024 x 768, it's great and it's even fine at 1280 x 960, but once you start going above and beyond that, you start running out of video memory real quickly. I am concerned about performance under OS X Tiger, simply because with more being stored in video memory (e.g. font caches), you'll run out of video memory even quicker. Granted, what I'm discussing right now isn't a reduction in actual performance, but rather a reduction in the smoothness of animations - which to a first-time OS X user can be a huge turn off.

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Viper GTS

 

[remagavon]

Yep, 1600x1200. I've used osx on a G5 imac briefly and it is much, much snappier. Overall I'd just rather wait for the x86 macs though. I'm glad I bought the mini becuase it did give me a pretty good (albeit slow) taste of the OS.

I wasn't aware that fonts were cached in the gpu, that would definitely explain why it was laggy. Thanks for the info.

Edit: If anyone trys out this hack can they post an xbench score? I know xbench is emulated, but we can compare that to what the Intel macs get in xbench to see if there is a major change in performance for using non-certified hardware.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: deathkoba
It only appears faster on PeeCees because they've never seen it running on a true Mac hardware. Also it's probably nowhere near as feature packed as the full Mac OS X running on Mac hardware so of course even with lower end (x86) hardware, it'll perceptively be faster but it really isn't. Consider the amount of problems you'll get with Intel hardware than a Mac and it'll quickly be obvious that the Mac hardware is superior. Jobs is only doing this to engulf the PeeCee world and then take over with far superior PowerPC RISC hardware when it all collapses.

Why must you make yourself look like a fool every time you post about Macs? And your post is based purely on assumptions.

EDIT: and TPAD

Because we Mac users feel better when PeeCees are looked down upon. To be honest, I don't know, all of my Mac friends hate PeeCees and I want to fit in because Macs are more popular.

 

[imported_Kensai]

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: deathkoba
It only appears faster on PeeCees because they've never seen it running on a true Mac hardware. Also it's probably nowhere near as feature packed as the full Mac OS X running on Mac hardware so of course even with lower end (x86) hardware, it'll perceptively be faster but it really isn't. Consider the amount of problems you'll get with Intel hardware than a Mac and it'll quickly be obvious that the Mac hardware is superior. Jobs is only doing this to engulf the PeeCee world and then take over with far superior PowerPC RISC hardware when it all collapses.

Why must you make yourself look like a fool every time you post about Macs? And your post is based purely on assumptions.

EDIT: and TPAD

What is this "Mac hardware" you speak of?
Their Ram is fairly easy to get a hold of. Their CPU is an IBM PowerPC chip. Graphics are usually ATI...

 

[BillyBobJoel71]

Originally posted by: Kensai

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: deathkoba
It only appears faster on PeeCees because they've never seen it running on a true Mac hardware. Also it's probably nowhere near as feature packed as the full Mac OS X running on Mac hardware so of course even with lower end (x86) hardware, it'll perceptively be faster but it really isn't. Consider the amount of problems you'll get with Intel hardware than a Mac and it'll quickly be obvious that the Mac hardware is superior. Jobs is only doing this to engulf the PeeCee world and then take over with far superior PowerPC RISC hardware when it all collapses.

Why must you make yourself look like a fool every time you post about Macs? And your post is based purely on assumptions.

EDIT: and TPAD

What is this "Mac hardware" you speak of?
Their Ram is fairly easy to get a hold of. Their CPU is an IBM PowerPC chip. Graphics are usually ATI...

Apple does not make any of the PCB or RAM or lcd/crt monitors. some companies in taiwan or china do and put the apple logo on the front. apple only made the OS, even the slow ass PowerPC chips are made by Motorola. Although the one button mouse was their idea.

 

[Shlong]

There's a way now to run it natively without VMWare (need at least SSE2 to run it. SSE3 for rosetta & PowerPC Apps). However it requires to be run on its own individual harddrive & not a partition, you also need an external usb drive. I don't have another harddrive nor external usb drive & dont want to wipe out windows but has anyone here tried it yet?

 

[dmurray14]

Originally posted by: Shlong
There's a way now to run it natively without VMWare (need at least SSE2 to run it. SSE3 for rosetta & PowerPC Apps). However it requires to be run on its own individual harddrive & not a partition, you also need an external usb drive. I don't have another harddrive nor external usb drive & dont want to wipe out windows but has anyone here tried it yet?

Yes...it works beatifully. Better than windows, more stable, and so much nicer. I love it...

 

[aplefka]

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