WTF >.<

[SinfulWeeper]

I swear. Back in the 286 days - P2's... there was no way possible to build a computer without cutting EVERY SQUARE INCH of your hands and arms. I am so glad those days are long over with. Then in the P3 / Mid Athlon days, everyone was breaking CPU cores because of a stupid way to mount cooling to the motherboard. Then came the P4's problem fixer and later AMD's follow up... putting on IHS's. But you had to mount the stupid cooling system from under the motherboard to get anything decent.

Fast-forward to today, you would think motherboard manufacturers would ease up some on that ridiculous fashion of mounting cooling... but no. Today after coming out of computer building retirement I took on a job to build 3 computers. Hey, was an easy $1400 I though to myself...
Then the reality friggin hit me in the face with a baseball bat. These LGA775 cooling devices are ABSURD!!! Not only are they harder to mount then the P4's. But I see no real benefit for the extra work at all.
I put together in 2 hours with hella decent cable routing 3 computers, got everything put in the case, took the motherboards out. Went to put on the CPU coolers and WHAM... just mounting them stupid things took me 70 minutes a piece. I felt like throwing the coolers and the motherboards out the friggin door with no refunds to the people. That totally killed my profit.
Then as if that were not enough, they wanted me to OC their computers too and test for stability.
What is with all the added crap in the BIOS's now I mean damn, before it was just a matter of putting in 3 CAS timings and setting the FSB. Now you have 4 CAS settings, a plethora of voltages for everything, most of which are dangerous for the CPU or memory, then the memory dividers or multipliers... CPU's are Quad pumped while memory is only double... I mean WTF mate???
Ahh yes... then there was the XP install on one computer with nothing but SATA drives, XP wont even load to the point of asking for drivers whlie Vista goes on fine. But I wont even go there right now...

I blame it all on the motherboard manufactures, they are a bunch of clueless dolts. Only they can manage to make $1400 so difficult to make. I'll just tell everyone to get Dell's from now on... Then I'll move to Australia and kill all the fuckin kangaroo's.

/rant off

 

[Cutthroat]

Kangaroo's are cool.

If you think it was hard getting them on, wait 'till you try to get one off.

 

[JustaGeek]

Nice rant, but I think you are overreacting.

However difficult at first, the HSF mounting of the new C2D's is not all that bad once you get a hang of it.

I usually check if the pins are turned into the "lockable" position first, then place the HSF assembly on the MB, making sure the pins are standing on the MB holes, then gradually increase the pressure like if I was installing the memory, until I hear the "click".

I do the same with the remaining pins in the diagonal pattern, like the lugnuts in a car's wheel - 1-3-2-4.

BTW, taking it off is even easier - just turn the black part in the direction of the arrow, and it pops out, pin by pin.

 

[RaptureMe]

Hey man I am totaly with you on this!!
Those heatsinks are total BS to get on and off thats why now I only use those heatsinks that you screw into a back plate.
I swear those back plates make it tonz easier plus it makes the heatsink have better contact with the cpus for better cooling and allows for better OC's.
What really really pisses me off are those fricken I/O shield plates man I dont know how many times I have cut the crap out of my hands putting those things on.
I cant complain about the bios and all the extra stuff in them cuase i find them very usefull.
Shoot after paying 2-300 for a mobo I would expect to have all those bios extra's...
Either that or my name engraved in gold right on the board

 

[ShawnD1]

Don't even bother trying to make a computer for anybody else unless it's your job/business. Dell computers are really not that bad as long as nobody screws with them, and if this person intended to tweak their computers, they probably would have built it themselves.

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Then as if that were not enough, they wanted me to OC their computers too and test for stability.
What is with all the added crap in the BIOS's now I mean damn, before it was just a matter of putting in 3 CAS timings and setting the FSB. Now you have 4 CAS settings, a plethora of voltages for everything, most of which are dangerous for the CPU or memory, then the memory dividers or multipliers... CPU's are Quad pumped while memory is only double... I mean WTF mate???

Simple solutions to all of these: use an Asus motherboard, set all the voltages to automatic, use the 30% overclock profile. Many other companies have built-in overclock features, but I say Asus because I've had good experience with their stuff. The CAS latencies are fun to play with if system stability is not a big concern

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Yeah it was definately an over react. But lol, I was pissed. Everything went so smoothly up to the point of getting the heatsink/fan mounted onto the motherboard. I did not use the stock intel cooler but an aftermarket one.
But still. One would think a universal CPU socket design can be made prefabed onto a motherboard where you can just clip on a heatsink that would apply considerable pressure. I mean were not talking rocket science here. lol

All the new tweaks I am still learning. Figure I should learn them for when I build my new computer. There really is not a whole lot... despite all the advancements of BIOS features. There is still tons of legacy stuff in there. I mean come now, pallet snooping? Who uses that any more? There is stuff in this new P5B-E bios that I seen back in the 486 bios days.
On a side note, I LOVE how easy they (Asus) made flashing the BIOS to the newest version. Just download the .rom, pop in floppy, power up and hit alt + f2.

 

[tcsenter]

LGA775 coolers are the easiest thing since heat-n-serve garlic toast. What's difficult about turning four screws?

 

[jeffw2767602]

you can build most dells for half of what they charge. saving $2000 is worth learning how to mount a heastink

 

[boglwe]

Originally posted by: jeffw2767602
you can build most dells for half of what they charge. saving $2000 is worth learning how to mount a heastink

Agreed. Furthermore, i would never support Dell. Although they have some signs of comeback, I still have a terrible taste in my mouth with them.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I agree the intel stock heatsinks could be ALOT better than what it is now on the LGA775 mobos, (yes it is a PITA job first time round) but i wouldn't go far as buying a dell unless it was for your kid.

 

[toadeater]

I wish Intel would stop bundling heatsinks with their CPUs and take $20 off the price. What happened to OEM packaging? Maybe they should call it OC packaging, and include a tube of Arctic Silver with it instead of a crappy heatsink that will be thrown away.