WTF?

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Kur

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Tegeril

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: warcrow
I dont see your point. Why are you so upset here?

I don't have a mod chip, but if I want to install it on something I paid for I should be able to.

It sounds to me like you do have a modchip on your Wii, and just dont want to screw up your warezplaying system with a system update. People with legit consoles wouldnt be getting so angry at an UPDATE that helps IMPROVE the system they are playing.

Nice detective work. :roll::roll::roll:

I do not have a modchip on my Wii, and have never pirated anything in my life, so you can take your baseless accusations and go fuck yourself. If I did install one, it would be for home brew/development purposes. I did it with my DS, and feel that a system update shouldn't render my console useless if I wanted to do the same with my Wii.

Shens.

You can shens until you're blue in the face.

Then why are you crying so much about an update? This isn't like it's going to KILL you to update your console. It takes maybe 3 minutes if even that to update?

Must be very entertaining to see you when windows update pops up...

Read what you quoted and you'll see my answer.

So your answer is you didn't want to update because you don't mod? Yeah...

You fail comprehension. mod != pirate

I never said I don't mod, I said I don't pirate. There is a difference. I had a modchip on my DS, and never did I pirate a game. I only used it for home brew. Does that make sense or should I break it down even more for you?

So you didn't want to update your Wii because you modded your DS?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I never said I don't mod, I said I don't pirate. There is a difference. I had a modchip on my DS, and never did I pirate a game. I only used it for home brew. Does that make sense or should I break it down even more for you?

Nintendo did not build their Wii with the intentions of providing features which permit home brew or international copies of games. If you want it that bad then buy a Wii unmodded and buy another Wii for the mod. That or wait for a chip which can be activated and deactivated via a switch and can be updated with software for the chip itself. I know you don't want to spend the money and "you shouldn't have to", but the truth is all the bitching will get no where.

Nintendo and all companies like them are faced with a choice. In one hand, they can require an update in order to play a game which will result in far less technical issues to resolve in the future or they can continue to allow people to use a Wii containing bugs that they do not realize need to be fixed in order to resolve their "problems". Considering the vast number of people in their customer base and comparing the numbers of those with and without mod chips, what would you do?

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Umm... WTF? The update, just like the one on Metroid Prime 3, doesn't have any effect on a modded system. Trust me.

Update your damn system and play the game.

yup. pretty much in place to make sure you have the proper updates to actually play the game. in place most likely for people who don't have wifi.

although, I'm not sure why it would actually update if yours is up to date.. unless it has additional mario specific updates. i was always curious about that with MP3 since my system had the latest firmware.

Same curiosity here. What does the MP3 update change exactly? I just got the latest firmware update before playing this game and when I inserted the disc it asked me to do a system update.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Nintendo can not force an update on all Wii's. That's absurd. The vast majority of Wii owners DO NOT HAVE A WIRELESS INTERNET CONNECTION and have never updated their Wii!

Most consoles are simply connected to TV's and nothing else.

If Nintendo demanded that every gamer that buys the system have a wireless connection to play the newest games, there would be a a huge outcry..boycotts, etc

The only reason Mario Galaxy would ask you to update is if the game detected something abnormal in the system...like a mod chip.

Err, I think the update is on the disc to make sure you have the latest firmware that's necessary to play the game....

You're right about one thing though, I don't have a wireless connection to my Wii. Mine's wired 10/100 Cat5e!

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I never said I don't mod, I said I don't pirate. There is a difference. I had a modchip on my DS, and never did I pirate a game. I only used it for home brew. Does that make sense or should I break it down even more for you?

You can chip a DS? I didn't think you needed to with solutions like the R4DS.

modchip == R4DS in principle. If you want to argue about semantics you'll have to find someone else.

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
So you didn't want to update your Wii because you modded your DS?

I had a modded DS for home brew/development. I do not want to do the update if it's going to affect the capability of me modding my Wii in the future if I decide to develop on that too. Once again, modding != pirate.

I hope you understand that explanation. If not, PM me and I will try to break it down even more.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: warcrow
I dont see your point. Why are you so upset here?

Because I should be able to do whatever the fuck I want to my console. I don't have a mod chip, but if I want to install it on something I paid for I should be able to.

And how would this prevent you from doing so?

Because it wouldn't let me play a game I bought until I performed the system update.

Nintendo supports their console as it was shipped from the factory, not that modchip you don't have. I'm willing to bet this is all outlined in their EULA/warranty info (that warranty which would be voided by that modchip you don't have). That said, they don't know what or how that modchip you don't have has changed the system. By making a disclaimer they're covering their asses if/when the system does break from an update.

Being a modder in the past, this is all stuff you should already know.

Really, this is a terribly weak rant. 0/10.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

360, PS3, and Wii all force updates to play certain games, it's nothing new.

A lot of times, these updates includes new features and compatibility fixes.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
360, PS3, and Wii all force updates to play certain games, it's nothing new.

A lot of times, these updates includes new features and compatibility fixes.

Ya this is old news. Not expecting forced bug fixes should shock you more.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: warcrow
I dont see your point. Why are you so upset here?

I don't have a mod chip, but if I want to install it on something I paid for I should be able to.

It sounds to me like you do have a modchip on your Wii, and just dont want to screw up your warezplaying system with a system update. People with legit consoles wouldnt be getting so angry at an UPDATE that helps IMPROVE the system they are playing.

bingo.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I never said I don't mod, I said I don't pirate. There is a difference. I had a modchip on my DS, and never did I pirate a game. I only used it for home brew. Does that make sense or should I break it down even more for you?

You can chip a DS? I didn't think you needed to with solutions like the R4DS.

modchip == R4DS in principle. If you want to argue about semantics you'll have to find someone else.

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
So you didn't want to update your Wii because you modded your DS?

I had a modded DS for home brew/development. I do not want to do the update if it's going to affect the capability of me modding my Wii in the future if I decide to develop on that too. Once again, modding != pirate.

I hope you understand that explanation. If not, PM me and I will try to break it down even more.

It doesn't affect any modding, so quit your bitching.

 

[MonKENy]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
Well considering that it's illegal to have a mod chip... obviously Nintendo doesn't want people to pirate their console games
Go protest for things that are legal

ok in no way is having a mod chip ILLEGAL thats just stupid lol.

but the point he/she is trying to make is its against nintendos (and probably EVERY other developer) Terms of service.

Why would they want you to take one of their products and modify it in a way that gets around the protection they put up so as ppl have to pay or use the service as they intended. you just bought a product they made not the rights to change the hardware as you see fit.

 

[purbeast0]

if you don't like it, dont play mario, simple as that.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: MonKENy

Originally posted by: Xylitol
Well considering that it's illegal to have a mod chip... obviously Nintendo doesn't want people to pirate their console games
Go protest for things that are legal

ok in no way is having a mod chip ILLEGAL thats just stupid lol.

but the point he/she is trying to make is its against nintendos (and probably EVERY other developer) Terms of service.

Why would they want you to take one of their products and modify it in a way that gets around the protection they put up so as ppl have to pay or use the service as they intended. you just bought a product they made not the rights to change the hardware as you see fit.

For all intents and purposes, it is illegal. It is illegal to sell a copy protection circumvention device in the US. It is illegal to import them to the US. So if you bought one from a US seller, they broke the law. If you bought one from a foreign seller, you broke the law. It is illegal to circumvent a copy protection device, even if for reasons other than copyright infringement.

But you know what? Fuck the DMCA.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: MonKENy

Originally posted by: Xylitol
Well considering that it's illegal to have a mod chip... obviously Nintendo doesn't want people to pirate their console games
Go protest for things that are legal

ok in no way is having a mod chip ILLEGAL thats just stupid lol.

but the point he/she is trying to make is its against nintendos (and probably EVERY other developer) Terms of service.

Why would they want you to take one of their products and modify it in a way that gets around the protection they put up so as ppl have to pay or use the service as they intended. you just bought a product they made not the rights to change the hardware as you see fit.

For all intents and purposes, it is illegal. It is illegal to sell a copy protection circumvention device in the US. It is illegal to import them to the US. So if you bought one from a US seller, they broke the law. If you bought one from a foreign seller, you broke the law. It is illegal to circumvent a copy protection device, even if for reasons other than copyright infringement.

But you know what? Fuck the DMCA.

Not quite.... ICE says modchips are illegal, citing that any device primarily used to circumvent copyright is illegal according to the DMCA. However, that has not been tested in court, and even if it had, it couldn't be applied as a blanket to all modchips. There are some out there that are very much for legal purposes.

The websites they went after were obviously doing modding that was for copyright infringement - so in many ways I don't feel sorry for those individuals. But, they didn't go after distributors of PICs and such that could potentially be used for Wii modding, since those sites didn't have that as a focus.

But, yes, fuck the DMCA!

 

[Tegeril]

Cliffs:
Shens
Update your Wii
Fuck the DMCA.

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: warcrow
I dont see your point. Why are you so upset here?

I don't have a mod chip, but if I want to install it on something I paid for I should be able to.

It sounds to me like you do have a modchip on your Wii, and just dont want to screw up your warezplaying system with a system update. People with legit consoles wouldnt be getting so angry at an UPDATE that helps IMPROVE the system they are playing.

Nice detective work. :roll::roll::roll:

I do not have a modchip on my Wii, and have never pirated anything in my life, so you can take your baseless accusations and go fuck yourself. If I did install one, it would be for home brew/development purposes. I did it with my DS, and feel that a system update shouldn't render my console useless if I wanted to do the same with my Wii.

I dont believe you and I think most of the people here dont believe you. people lie about modding all the time to try and give there argument some validation when usually they are just mad they cant steal. Also, you never pirated anything? bullcrap, even the most genial souls have pirated at least one .mp3, give me a break.