WTF? Why is the US being so hyprocritical?

[Lucky]

<< Whoa! I didn't see this:



<< right but we are not detaining only terrorists. We are also detaining taliban officials and soldiers, some from combat. They may not have supported the terrorism, but only fought in the mountains against the US. >>



Riiiiiighht! At least share if you're going to take that good of drugs! >>





What part of what I said do you not believe? If we had had arrested every german soldier during WW2, would they all be charged with "war crimes" and be responsible for the attrocities that hitler and co. did?

 

[Aceman]

You homestly believe that these guys said one day, "Hey, I think I'll join the Taliban. They pay well, provide for me and my family, and I might just get to travel the world and loyally serve my country" Riiiight, more like they were all saying "So I get to kill those American bastards?!?!?!?!" Taliban=Terrorists=Taliban soldiers PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

I hope they didn't give those pieces of camel crap any malaria shots before they got to see the lovely island of Cuba!

 

[burnedout]

Looks like it's you and me again Aceman. WTF is wrong with some of these people? I see them on the news. I hear them on the radio. I read them on the internet and in the newspapers. Let's start an "Adopt and Al Qaeda" or a "Take in a Taliban" program for all these bleeding hearts and see how long they last. Better yet, let's put these whiners in the turret of an M2A3 in the desert with hostiles nearby and watch the piss dribble down into their "inhumane" Army issue combat boots.

I'm with you guys as well on this.

After reading about it in the news, I just knew a band of good old bleeding hearts on ATOT would suddenly become concerned. Never fails.

I also wonder why they won't designate them as PoWs. They probably want to kill and torture them....who knows

Well Marty, guess what? You can snivel and make idiotic speculation all you want. Snivel until the sun don't shine. Snivel until your fingers can no longer punch the keyboard. heh.

But you know something? Read tcsenter's insightful and accurate comments regarding the status of those scumbags.

Surprise, surprise! Old Uncle Sam ain't the whipping boy 'round the world no more. Don't like it now, do you?

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

Marty, why dont you take a plane on over to Afghanistan with youre "Flaming Pink Liberal Jumpsuit of Love" and hand out roses to all the poor victimized terrorists, ok? Thank you, drive through...

 

[Lucky]

You homestly believe that these guys said one day, "Hey, I think I'll join the Taliban. They pay well, provide for me and my family, and I might just get to travel the world and loyally serve my country" Riiiight, more like they were all saying "So I get to kill those American bastards?!?!?!?!" Taliban=Terrorists=Taliban soldiers PLAIN AND SIMPLE!


You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[rudder]

damn straight Martythemaniac, and i think all the rapists in prison should have nice leather chairs to watch their digital cable tv while drinking some good brew.

 

[Aceman]

I have no idea what I'm talking about? Sorry, those Taliban fighters didn't sign up innocently, nor were they drafted and forced to fight the Ameican infidels. They wanted to dance the jig and were caught trying to skip out on paying the piper.

 

[Martin]

Ah, so the trolls have come out of their holes at last.

While some people provided their opinion nicely (and I respect that), the pathetic little feeble minded dumbasses have finally come forth and started with the personal attacks...how nice of them.

Don't bother replying, while I may read your posts, I will do little more than laugh at them.

 

[JoeBaD]

This thread just goes to prove my strongly held belief that no matter where you go you can always find an asshole.

Oh, those poor, poor prisoners. Let my play a little tune on my violin. Its just too bad we can't just kill them all and rid the world of the vermin.



I bet we could find some New Yorkers who would pay for the priviledge.

 

[Lucky]

<< I have no idea what I'm talking about? Sorry, those Taliban fighters didn't sign up innocently, nor were they drafted and forced to fight the Ameican infidels. They wanted to dance the jig and were caught trying to skip out on paying the piper. >>





dance the jig? paying the piper? WTF are you talking about?

Dumbass, the taliban was in existence long before 9/11. The military and the drug trade were the two top professions in the country, its not like they had high-paying union factories! If you wanted a job, you either got into opium or you joined the military, that was the way many supported their families. They were fighting against the northern alliance, not the US (initially).

 

[burnedout]

Ah, so the trolls have come out of their holes at last.

While some people provided their opinion nicely (and I respect that), the pathetic little feeble minded dumbasses have finally come forth and started with the personal attacks...how nice of them.

And with a statement like: "They probably want to kill and torture them....who knows" to begin this hapless thread, you actually have some nerve calling others trolls and dumbasses?

Yo Marty...... Marty....... earth to Marty.

 

[Aceman]

<< right but we are not detaining only terrorists. We are also detaining taliban officials and soldiers, some from combat. They may not have supported the terrorism, but only fought in the mountains against the US. >>





Once again we'll go through this:

Taliban=Terrorists=Taliban Fighters

Some of them are even basically mercenaries from Pakistan and other countries. They weren't employed by the recognized government. When you find evidence of ONE detainee who doesn't have links to a terrorist network, PLEASE POST A LINK!

 

[Aceman]

Now I got wrapped up in this response and I missed out on a refurb DVD Drive again. Grrrrrr!

 

[Lucky]

<<

<< right but we are not detaining only terrorists. We are also detaining taliban officials and soldiers, some from combat. They may not have supported the terrorism, but only fought in the mountains against the US. >>





Once again we'll go through this:

Taliban=Terrorists=Taliban Fighters

Some of them are even basically mercenaries from Pakistan and other countries. They weren't employed by the recognized government. When you find evidence of ONE detainee who doesn't have links to a terrorist network, PLEASE POST A LINK! >>





NO. Al Qaeda (sp?)=terrorist
Taliban=harbored al Qaeda and bin laden

Once again, let me ask you this: If we had arrested every german who fought for hitler in WW2, would they all be "war criminals" simply because they fought for a gov't who committed war crimes (crimes against humanity, etc.) ?

 

[Saltin]

Everyone calm down. Beer and Tacos on me.

 

[Aceman]

<< Once again, let me ask you this: If we had arrested every german who fought for hitler in WW2, would they all be "war criminals" simply because they fought for a gov't who committed war crimes (crimes against humanity, etc.) ? >>



Apples and Oranges.

German soldiers were drafted and served in a regulated military. The only thing regulated in the Taliban makeshift front called an army was their links to terrorism cells.


Once again...When you can show that these detainees had NO terrorist conections, I might see your point.

 

[Lucky]

what do you mean "no terrorist connections"? We dont know the identitys of every single detainee, the US isnt releasing their names. What we do know is that some are simply taliban fighters, not al qaeda. I dont understand why you cant accept that fact that not every soldier in their "army" wasnt directly involved in terrorism.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< I also wonder why they won't designate them as PoWs. They probably want to kill and torture them....who knows... >>



That's positive thinking for ya

Why don't you just say "I hate USA" and get it overwith?

 

[Ns1]

sorry gotta argue some points here

cnn and salon did reports a while back

just because they are taliban doesn't mean anything

it was either join the taliban or be killed, doesn't mean much. not everybody that was in the taliban were there willingly

 

[ArbitrarilyInsane]

What the hell are you talking about? The taliban were a government "assigned" to Afghanistan by Pakistan after the Northern Alliance soldiers started getting bored after all outside wars and started fighting among the factions and raping and killing the citizens. The taliban were excepted by the majority of the population, but after a while mullah omar agreed to let Bin Laden in and things started to go wrong. They were a political party. I would go as far to say that they were less related to the al qaeeda than Sinn fein to the IRA.

The Northern Alliance were fighting them aswell as among themselves from day one. Its only when they decided to regroup and started getting support from the Coalition that they started making headway. Also, the taliban were more concerned with fighting the northern alliance rather than US troops.


Oh yeah, and as for the americans the talibans captured as spies, they were well fed, had access to running water, slept in beds in cabins and had heating at night. Way more than what the US is giving the captured soldiers at guantanamo bay. The captives should either be catagorised as pow and be tried in a military tribunal (usual method is - anybody who think they are innocent, just leave so you don't get to see how we kill them) and if they are not POWs, try them in a civilian court with a jury. Either way it should be done at an international court, not somewhere the people are shouting - we don't care where they're from, lynch'em.

 

[sandorski]

Woot woot, beer and tacos!

Tscenter so far IMO has been the most reasonable. Though I share the concern for whether human rights are observed, I don't think the US is trying to avoid adhering to them. There is a legitimate reason to be concerned about what some of these detainees may do if released.

However, it must be noted that the Taliban != Al Queda(sp). Al Queda is responsible for the terrorist act that this conflict is based on, the Taliban merely refused to hand Al Queda over. Subtle yet significant difference.

Many posting in this thread are merely proving(substantiating) Marty's point though. How can the US be trusted when so many seem eager to throw civility out the window?

 

[Aceman]

I'll agree that some Taliban fighters were a bit delusional.

I'll also argue that they aren't being detained in guatamano bay just because they were just taliban soldiers. They all have some terrorism connection or they'd have no useful information and would be of no "use" to our cause.

 

[Martin]

<< Woot woot, beer and tacos!

Tscenter so far IMO has been the most reasonable. Though I share the concern for whether human rights are observed, I don't think the US is trying to avoid adhering to them. There is a legitimate reason to be concerned about what some of these detainees may do if released.

However, it must be noted that the Taliban != Al Queda(sp). Al Queda is responsible for the terrorist act that this conflict is based on, the Taliban merely refused to hand Al Queda over. Subtle yet significant difference.

Many posting in this thread are merely proving(substantiating) Marty's point though. How can the US be trusted when so many seem eager to throw civility out the window? >>




Yes, I found his post quite reasonable (unlike most of the ones that followed it). If the only that kept the US from designating them as PoWs was the fact that they wanted to detain them, then I have no problem with though.

Though now I wonder how they'll determine who gets life in prison (an al-qaeda fighter) or who gets a 1-2 year stint (your regular Taliban fighter)....