Yeah really, we need gas to be up around $6 a gallon to start getting these Mamoth Urban Assault Vehicles off the road. Higher Higher Higher!
i have an excursion for my everyday car and a Suburban 2500 XL for my weekend car
i single-handedly am to blame for these high prices
i single-handedly am to blame for these high prices
rudeguy
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well OPEC is the biggest player, but there are still a lot of distributors of oil not part of it. I think south america and russia fall into that...and Canada
I knew it, blame Canada!!!!
Seriously though. The majority of the world's oil come from OPEC. Their decision to cut back on production is what boosted gas prices. Thats the simple way of putting it.
Why not spend some money on a program to eliminate our need for oil??? We seem to have money to send remote control cars to mars, why not spend some cash on our planet?
Vic
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Dave... why are you your own worst enemy? Raising the price of gas may get some of the monsters off the road, but it will simply put more money and power in the hands of the oil cartels, and it will lengthen their time in power by lowering oil consumption (prolonging that inevitable day when we finally run out and their reign is ended).
Oh man...I have a feeling we're not going to be taking the new 6.6L V8 Silverados out too much then
Just got qualified to drive the damn things, too!
Just got qualified to drive the damn things, too!
I just think its funny that people pay $5 a gallon for gas in europe, and we bitch about $2.00 here...
One of the biggest misconceptions is that we get most of our oil from OPEC, when in reality it is only a small percentage. Typically less than 20%, with the remaining coming from US based suppliers and a small percentage coming from places like argentina. My major problem with the gas prices is that there is absolutely no supply and demand issue here folks, they jack the price up whenever they feel like it. This is the second time this year they have pulled this crap. With the first price hike actually taking place when demand is at its lowest during the year. My vehicle gets 20~25mpg but it sucks since I drive to and from work everyday. Although it is 14 miles roundtrip that still takes more money out of my wallet every time I fill up. It is only a 20 gallon tank. It is around an extra $100 a year if the prices stay where they are or get worse. Thats $100 that I won't be spending on anything else but to get to and from work. Now you add this all up accross all Americans and thats a hefty sum that the economy won't be getting. Hence less jobs created since people can't spend that money on anything else than gas. That also comes directly out of my takehome pay. Which has been already raped via the federal and state governments. Don't even go into the social security that they are stealing from us all, that will never be repayed. I'm putting aside the mega-suv's and the like to make the point. It isn't like I'm going on trips or going places just to go, working is needed to actually pay the bills. You can't get to work without your vehicle. Mass transit here sucks. No trains or other viable ways of getting there. So yes I do get upset when the greedy oil consortium uses thier monoplistic tactics to gouge americans without any reason. You see this is where the Governmnet needs to step in and whip up some of the Sherman anti-competitive act on thier sorry buttocks. Since they all generally price all thier fuels the exact same price, it isn't exactly like there is any real competition happening at the pumps. Pumping the oil reserves is only putting a band-aid on a flesh wound. Someone with a big set of manhoods needs to standup in the government and tell the oil corporation of america that they are SOL and fine them a hefty sum for their practices. Making sure to give thier ill gotten monies back to us.It is exactly the same feces that the music sellers industry did with thier price fixing. In the end they ended up paying back in a settlement. So when it comes down to it maybe we should band together and sue the living crap out of the oil big wigs.
the problem isn't with gas prices or fuel economy, but the layout of the US of A. In Europe, Japan, etc; everything is built on top of each other. The USA had its boom during the age of personal transportation so suburbs were built far from the city and everything was spread out, there wasn't a need to build on top of each other. I would love to use public transportation here in Colorado but it's nearly non-existant (I can't wait for light rail to be built along I-25) and cabs charge a ridiculous amount of money. When I was in London, I had an incredibly easy time using their subway system (the tube). There are busses everywhere in Greece and Spain. Paris's system was easy to get around in.
Now, people who buy cars with mpg in the teens shouldn't complain too much... I know what I was getting into with a car ~21 mpg.
Now, people who buy cars with mpg in the teens shouldn't complain too much... I know what I was getting into with a car ~21 mpg.
Freejack2
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Enh, quite frankly I'd be happy if they had hydrogen power on vehicles besides buses and a few government vehicles.
Edit: While my vehicle gets 30mph on the average I'm currently spending $230 a month on gas because of the driving I need to do for my job.
Edit: While my vehicle gets 30mph on the average I'm currently spending $230 a month on gas because of the driving I need to do for my job.
StageLeft
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Unfortunately when these desert sh*tholes in the middle east run out of oil and they stop getting money from the rest of the world they'll become havens of extremism crap even more than they are now. They're too damn stupid to do anything meaningful with the money like educating the populous or retooling their economies away from oil so as to better ward off the destiution of their economies when it comes.
Not really, some countries in the middle east do realize that they will eventually run out, and ARE building their economies around other forms of income. But it takes a liberalized middle eastern country to be able to do that. U.A.E. is such a country, it may be small, but it's built itself into a strong tourism hub and facilitate trade between Asia and Europe.
(I lived in UAE)
Get out your Hondas & let the SUV people suffer, because it is not worth it to bust a blood vessel over the fuel consumption debate. Try biking, because the benefit on staying fit in commuting by bicycle worth much more than the $$$ saving or environment. And, alternative fuel would come to market if the price rise high enough to make it lucrative to exploit.
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Agreed. So many cities and urban areas could benefit from a rail/train system. Most people are forced to commute because they have no other choice. Too bad hardly no one would ever vote to raise gas prices to help subsidize the construction and upkeep of better public transit systems.
Too many people don't see past tomorrow and won't admit that gratuitious wasting of resources is a bad thing.
Come on $10/gallon!
Of course, I'd rather see ~$7 of that go to state/federal government in tax revenue than have it fill up OPEC coffers. That's a different subject though, better suited for P&N...
The local TV news stories are full of whiny spoiled brats most of the time anyway, regardless of what they're complaining about. Calling most nightly news tripe would be an insult to tripe.
Of course, I'd rather see ~$7 of that go to state/federal government in tax revenue than have it fill up OPEC coffers. That's a different subject though, better suited for P&N...
The local TV news stories are full of whiny spoiled brats most of the time anyway, regardless of what they're complaining about. Calling most nightly news tripe would be an insult to tripe.
Bitek
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Only the emission from burning the hydrogen. The problem is that you first have to produce the hydrogen, a very energy intensive process, and really the only way to do that now is by fossil or nuclear fuels. You are not eliminating the pollution, just making (and concentrating) it somewhere else.
I laugh at the gas prices knowing that Suv drivers are paying through the nose. Haha greedy selfish fvcks! :evil:
JulesMaximus
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Vic
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I am aware that that hydrogen suffers the "electric car" problem. Solution: biodiesel -- cheap, renewable, environmentally friendly, and more efficient than petroleum.
C'mon... used rancid cooking grease burns better in a diesel engine than petroleum diesel fuel does... why does everyone think that oil is all there is?
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