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WTF? Why George, why? President Bush institutes steel import quota/tariffs

glenn1

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What's gotten into President Bush? You're supposed to know better than this.... snap out of it already man! 🙁

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Bush Sets Tariffs on Steel Imports
President Opts For Compromise On Free Trade


President Bush imposed temporary quotas yesterday of up to 30 percent on most imported steel in an effort to give the ailing U.S. industry a chance to modernize and restructure. The action was a rare departure for an administration that has championed free trade both at home and abroad. But the president said it was an appropriate exception in the face of years of unfair trading practices by foreign countries that had "resulted in bankruptcies, serious dislocation and job losses" in the United States.

Industry executives, union leaders and politicians from steel-producing states generally hailed the president's decision, which fell somewhat short of what they had requested but was still the most aggressive action taken by a president to protect a domestic industry from imports since Ronald Reagan imposed steel import restraints in the mid-1980s. "This is keeping us alive, no question about it," said Rep. Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio), who warned the White House that he might have to vote against free-trade legislation the next time it came up in the House unless something was done to provide relief to steel communities in his district.

"I commend the president for taking this step," said Leo Gerard, president of the United Steelworkers of America, which turned out thousands of members on the Ellipse outside the White House. "I'm not sure it will do all that needs to be done to save the industry, but at least we have a ray of hope." Not all of the steel industry's allies, however, were fully satisfied. "President Bush deserves credit, but we have to put it in perspective," said Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.). "The steel industry is drowning 40 feet offshore; the president has thrown them a 30-foot rope."

The president's decision was a blow to steel-consuming industries ? such as makers of auto parts and home appliances ? which conducted a furious lobbying campaign to dissuade him from adopting the tariff recommendations of the U.S. International Trade Commission. They argued that any tariffs would not only amount to a tax on consumers but would cost more jobs in their industries than would be saved at U.S. steel mills ? a prediction that even one top administration official acknowledged was probably correct. "This remedy, like all the other attempts to protect the U.S. steel industry over the years, will not save fundamentally mismanaged companies," said David Phelps, president of the American Institute for International Steel, an import group.

Indeed, most industry executives acknowledge that while the tariff regime may keep several thousand steelworkers employed for a couple of years, it will not be able to save all of the old-line integrated steel mills that make steel from iron ore in coal-fired furnaces. These integrated mills are at a competitive disadvantage not only because of the older technology they use to produce steel but also because of the added costs of paying a unionized workforce and more than half a million retirees who get pensions and health benefits from the companies.


 
He is basically buying the steel industry time to reorganize or go bankrupt. They better make the most of it.
 
Yep. Can't say I agree with this.

But I guess the reasoning asks why turn away short-term profits in exchange for long-term profits these days?
 
it's obvious why he's doing it. You can disagree with his decision, but don't question it like its some completeley outlandish, stupid idea.
 
Well the logic is to get the US steel makers some market share on teh domestic market. While on the long run it will increase the cost anything that uses steel as a product of manufacture because US steel is the most expensive to buy due to the minimum wage laws and worker compensation. In the long run barring steel from foriegn markets will allow american steel producers to make a profit. They were loosing out to likes of Mittal Steel (the steel giant worldwide) who were producing steel in Less Developed countries at a lesser cost and hence selling it at a lesser cost thus flooding the US market with cheap steel that was of equal or better quality than US made steel. Hence the US steel manufacturers like US Steel Inc were loosing out int eh domestic market.

This is all part of the nature of world wide globalisation business. Smaller countries who were given loans at one time for building infrastructure sell back raw products like steel to pay back the loan once lent by the IMF or the World Bank..

<--- tgg learning business strategies in school now.. hence knows all this and more.
 


<< it's obvious why he's doing it. You can disagree with his decision, but don't question it like its some completeley outlandish, stupid idea. >>



He's doing it for votes in the rust belt.


Protectionism is stupid and self-destrucive.
 
Whether or not this is a good idea is pretty easy to determine.

Essentially, we're paying more now for what we hope in the future will cost less. So the question is: Will we save more money in the future than what we're going to spend now as a result of these quotas?

In almost every past instance of something similar happening in US history, the answer has been an unequivocal NO. In fact, in the vast majority of cases, what has happened in situations like this is that after several years, the industry that wants protection does NOT become competitive with the rest of the world, but instead they remain uncompetitive, and lobby for more protection in the future. So instead of taking one step back to take two steps forward (as I'm sure Bush is hoping here), most companies with protection just keep going backward. The steel industry is not an "infant" industry. It is a very mature industry. The fact that it's a mature industry and they want protection only proves to me that the industry is inefficient.

Why in the hell should we (as the consumer) have to pay for the industry's inefficiency? Of course we shouldn't.

That said, I can think of one example where it -might- make sense to try to protect an industry. If the collapse of an industry here would result in one foreign company having a monopoly (or very few companies with an oligopoly), then in the interests of greater competition (to benefit the consumer), it might make sense to save the companies in the industry here. But I am pretty sure that in this steel instance, this protection is not being enforced to make things cheaper for the consumer. Rather, it's done to keep people working in an inefficient industry.

Free trade is one issue I completely agree with conservatives about. I don't understand this decision.
 
Most likely to protect our steel industry.....there aren't many steel mills left in this country because of various reasons. Overseas competition a.k.a. slave labor, Unions, OSHA, you name it and it's probably crippled our steel industry.
 


<< He's doing it for votes in the rust belt. >>



That's how it works....



<< Protectionism is stupid and self-destrucive. >>



Only is not started to begin with. We have already gone down that route and to completely get rid of tariffs would throw hundreds of thousands of US citizens out of work in an ecenomy that cannot stand more layoffs of this scale.

When Mexican Semi-Trucks start taking away millions of our jobs and endangering you and your family on a daily basis you'll change your tune!
 
keep in mind that the workers who make the foreign steel don't get the kind of salary and benefits that US workers get. So, these American companies are competing with 3rd world cheapskates who pay 2 dollars an hour. Kinda tough if you ask me.
 
If other countries would play fair and stop dumping, tariffs wouldn't be needed. And frankly I think it's about time we did something to help the steel industry. They have been suffering for too long.
 
Are we now going to see conservatives riot in WTO summits while chanting 'death to globalization' ?

lol
 
I posted this on the other thread about this, but I guess I should also post it here:



<< I'm for free trade as long as it is on equal footing. In this case the evidence proves that it is not. >>



To my knowledge these tariffs and quotas aren't because other countries have them, but because other countries have alot more efficient steel-mills when compared to american companies. That's why steel made outside USA is cheaper.

If you want to blame someone, why not blame the corporations who felt that they don't have to modernize their mills? You reap what you sow, other countries have modern mills that are simply superior to the american mills. That's why american companies can't compete. It's because they were short-sighted and/or stupid not to modernize their mills.
 
🙂 no, I don't think so. I'm for free trade, and almost always against tariffs, however, this one is more of an eye for an eye thing.
 


<< If you want to blame someone, why not blame the corporations who felt that they don't have to modernize their mills? You reap what you sow, other countries have modern mills that are simply superior to the american mills. That's why american companies can't compete. It's because they were short-sighted and/or stupid not to modernize their mills. >>


And of course, instituting tariffs does not encourage the steel industry to modernize. It does the opposite -- it pats them on the back and says, "Keep doing what you're doing."
 
Interesting quote from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020306/ap_on_re_eu/us_steel_world_reax



<< "Some countries accused the United States of trying to avoid the painful steel-industry restructuring that other nations have undertaken over the last few years.

"The German steel industry underwent the necessary structural change a few years ago with painful job cuts ? without protective measures," said Economics Minister Mueller.

"It is generally known that the problems of the U.S. steel industry are due not to imports, but to decades of missed restructuring and a resulting lack of international competitiveness," he added."
>>



Maybe Bush should reconsider...competition from abroad does force American industries to innovate faster....like cars.
 
This move has other ramifications as well. The steel industry is a "strategic" industry. The more Korean, Japanese and European steel dumped here, the more mills shut down.

Then a mobilization occurs and this country requires a viable steel industry. Where is it then? Korea, Japan and Europe.

No. Let them bitch and snivel. We have more at stake then they do.
 

Equal footing...fair sounds simplistic or even utopian in the complexed global market.

Labor is cheap in the third-world countries. That's their economic resource. US imports steel from developed countries as well. Is it wrong for a third-world country not to give as much employment benefit to its steel workers? If so, isn't that wrong that steel workers in the US get less benefit than their counterparts in Germany or other socialized western european countries?

One of the reasons for Bush's decision is political. This is an election year, it'd be difficult for him to govern if Republicans loses house majority this November. Being sandwiched by Tom and Dick aint that fun:Q.

When mexican truck drivers start entering the american highways, american truck drivers are welcome to enter mexico. Do I just hear [Perot's-voice]'a giant sucking sound'[/perot's-voice]?

Complexed, but it is also simple: it's about money. One dude once said, "Where your
treasure is, there is your heart also."
 
A lot of general quality steel is also recycled in the other countries.

We ship over our old stuff, the resmelt it and send it back.

Our heavy steel mills did/do not want to look at changes that should have been done.

There are small speciality steel mills in the US that compete well in the global market. They have a niche and a work force that understands what they must do to survive in their market.

The big guys are acting the way the auto industry did 10-20 years ago and the result will end up being the same.
Modernization and quality will not go up, only prices and profits.

Once the tariffs are lifted, then they will alter their methods on their own dollar or go under. Here is a chance for management and unions workers to get their ducks in line but do not count on it until the writing on the wall becomes an economic sledge hammer.
 
Reminds me of a story I heard in business class many, many years ago from an instructor. (I think it is true, too funny not to be)

He said that some (lets say China) country started making manhole covers that costed hundreds less than our own so our makers got into an uproar because they were losing all their business. So the regulatory commissions said "OK, how about we make whoever manufactures these put in 2" lettering 'Made in _insert country_' on them. Nobody will stand for seeing 'Made in China' on all the manholes" They thought that was a pretty darn good idea so they went for it. What happened? The foreign country wrote in big 2" letters "Made in China" (just a for instance) on the INSIDE of the covers. LMAO

I do understand what Bush is trying to do for us, but I have no idea if it is good right now. He wants us to have less dependance on other countries for our consumables. It is the same thing he is trying to do with the oil drilling in Alaska.'

I don't think that now is the time to start making other countries upset with us when we need their alliances with the fight on terrorism.

My two cents.
 
>> it's obvious why he's doing it. You can disagree with his decision, but don't question it like its some completeley outlandish, stupid idea. <<

I totally agree with this statement.

There are as many reasons for Bush to do this as there are reasons not to do it. If all the US steel companies were to go out of business then the US would be in bad shape as far as reliance on other countries for steel. I think this is similar to how Bush wants to reduce our reliance on foreign sources of fuel.

I won't be surprised if the same thing happens in the textile industry in the next few years. There is no way a US textile company can compete on price with a Chinese textile mill.
 
Well, I have wondered what would start the next round of inflation. This looks like the best bet in years. Even Clinton wouldn't have pulled this one. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
 
so much for capitalism... why the hell are we doing this? why are we trying to give an advantage to an inferior product? i can understand how you would be for this if you were a steel worker, but biased opinions aside, i can't see any good reason for this.

basically we're delaying what most people acknowledge is the inevitable at the expense of other industries.
 


<< There are as many reasons for Bush to do this as there are reasons not to do it. If all the US steel companies were to go out of business then the US would be in bad shape as far as reliance on other countries for steel. I think this is similar to how Bush wants to reduce our reliance on foreign sources of fuel. >>



There really is no-one else to blame but the corporations themselves. While their foreign competitors consolidated among themselves and invested heavily on modernizing steel-mills, their american counterparts just decided to sit there and do nothing. Now they are paying the price. Foreign steel-mills are modern and efficient, while US mills are not.
 
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