WTF? Want to get divorced in NC? Wait 2 years, even in cases of abuse

[nehalem256]

Can you fill me in on this "luscious gov swag" I'm missing out on by being married? I must be doing it wrong, if anything the marriage penalty tax has been more a hamper than anything.

Are you really unaware of all the luscious government swag people get for being married? You know all the things same-sex couples have been clamoring for?

 

[zsdersw]

We are not talking about marriage being perfect.

We are talking about people demanding the government be involved in their life to get luscious swag and then throwing a fit when the government imposes conditions on them.

In short you, and apparently many if not most people nowadays see "marriage" as nothing more than a narcissistic swag grab.

I don't see marriage that way. As usual, you distort the positions of others to suit your trollish ways.

 

[Jaskalas]

After reading that, who in their right mind thinks the government should be involved in marriage? (Or anything else for that matter)

 

[Smoblikat]

Thats a great way for the retardpublicans to get people excited about marriage. If its so important to them then why do they make it so unattractive?

 

[nehalem256]

After reading that, who in their right mind thinks the government should be involved in marriage? (Or anything else for that matter)

Same-sex marriage activists

 

[zsdersw]

Same-sex marriage activists

We're winning, you're losing. Deal with it.

 

[nehalem256]

I don't see marriage that way. As usual, you distort the positions of others to suit your trollish ways.

Well if it is not a distortion. You should be agreeing with my view on marriage in this case.

 

[zsdersw]

Well if it is not a distortion. You should be agreeing with my view on marriage in this case.

I've told you many times before, I'm against no-fault divorce.

 

[nehalem256]

I've told you many times before, I'm against no-fault divorce.

Then you should be agreeing with me in this thread. Which is about divorce not same-sex marriage.

 

[zsdersw]

Then you should be agreeing with me in this thread. Which is about divorce not same-sex marriage.

You said the Republicans are "continuing" to care about marriage. That's incorrect. They're starting to care about it instead of just being against same-sex marriage supporters.

 

[HomerJS]

Starting, you mean.

Correct just starting. I can't recall anytime Republicans were concerned about divorce which is a greater threat to "traditional" marriage then 2 gay people marrying.

When they start introducing anti-divorce legislation at the same rate as the anti-abortion legislation we'll know they mean it.

 

[nehalem256]

You said the Republicans are "continuing" to care about marriage. That's incorrect. They're starting to care about it instead of just being against same-sex marriage supporters.

They were caring about it before. You just didn't like how they were caring about it before.

 

[zsdersw]

They were caring about it before.

No they weren't. They only started talking about the evils of no-fault divorce when same-sex marriage advocates started bringing up same-sex marriage.

This NC bill is the first one since SSM was on anyone's radar that Republicans addressed the "sanctity" of marriage in a way that wasn't aimed at thwarting SSM advocates.

 

[soulcougher73]

Are you really unaware of all the luscious government swag people get for being married? You know all the things same-sex couples have been clamoring for?

Nope. Fill me in with facts please. I wasn't aware gov was giving away stuff besides rights.

 

[Spungo]

It looks like people are criticizing the details of a "rough draft".

So I can write down retarded ideas as long as it's a first draft?

Same-sex marriage activists

I don't understand gay marriage. If both of the people getting divorce are men, which one is supposed to get fucked by the court system?

 

[nehalem256]

Nope. Fill me in with facts please. I wasn't aware gov was giving away stuff besides rights.

See the court case last week where the lesbian is arguing for reduced inheritance tax based on her same-sex marriage.

People want to keep the benefits of marriage(the swag as it were), but don't want to be forced to keep the responsibility.

And for added fun they throw a hypocritical fit that the government is being involved in their relationship when they demanded the government be involved in their relationship to begin with.

 

[Darwin333]

Why would the government try to control this? Forcing people to separate or forcing them to live together is invariably going to screw someone. Not everyone can afford a mortgage and rent at the same time. Forcing people together might be forcing people to stay in an abusive environment.

The separation, while still bullshit because I should be able to get divorced whenever the hell I want, is at least sort of reasonable. I assume you aren't going to be living together after the divorce so its simply a jump start. Forcing people to live together has got to be downright unconstitutional along with being an absurdly retarded idea.

 

[child of wonder]

Supporters said they believe the restrictions will help cut the state's divorce rate.

lol

"Gee gum willickers, Jimmy Bob! If we dun make it so womenz can't get no divorce then I betcha that there divorce rate'll drop like a stone!"

 

[nehalem256]

I should be able to get divorced whenever the hell I want

If the purpose of marriage is to promote monogamy and stability no you shouldn't.

Pro-tip. If you don't want the state involved in your relationship don't demand they become involved in your relationship.

"Gee gum willickers, Jimmy Bob! If we dun make it so womenz can't get no divorce then I betcha that there divorce rate'll drop like a stone!"

Why is it that liberals act like only women want to get divorced?:hmm:

 

[jackschmittusa]

nehalem256

Either define "luscious swag" or take a hike.

I have never found the government inducements for getting married.

 

[Genx87]

Imagine a world where govt doesnt regulate marriage. None of this bullshit would exist.

 

[nehalem256]

nehalem256

Either define "luscious swag" or take a hike.

I have never found the government inducements for getting married.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htm

joint parenting;
joint adoption;
joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
crime victims' recovery benefits;
loss of consortium tort benefits;
domestic violence protection orders;
judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
and more....

You know all the reasons same-sex couples want the government to recognize their unions as marriage.

 

[nehalem256]

Imagine a world where govt doesnt regulate marriage. None of this bullshit would exist.

But how would people visit each other in the hospital?

 

[BoberFett]

We're winning, you're losing. Deal with it.

Come on now... do you really think that getting government involved in your personal affairs is winning?

 

[Geosurface]

We're winning, you're losing. Deal with it.

I've been a strong supporter of same-sex marriage for a long time, but have also preferred (at times) the idea that the government just get out of the marriage recognizing business entirely.

I congratulate you on your victory, btw... as a lifelong atheist, liberal for 90% of my life, and someone who continues to be a very strong advocate for gay rights... I think rejoicing is understandable.

Unfortunately, I have recently been starting to think that religion (which I revile) and repressive, rigid social order including gender roles (which I also revile) are necessary to the long term survival of a civilization. Sad as that may be...

so I fear this celebration on marriage equality may just be lounging on deck chairs on the Titanic.