WTF? US forces in Iraq now using Snipers to enforce Law And Order
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"U.S. forces had positioned snipers around the market after hearing that weapons and ammunition were sold there every Friday, said Lt. Col. Steve Russell, whose 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Battalion, executed the operation". [note from burnedout: Regulars, By God, Sir!]
"When people pick up weapons and carrying them freely, they become combatants and we will engage them," Russell said. "I think we sent out a strong message today that you cannot walk around the streets with weapons."............
..........."Beside the red car, about 10 yards away, the earth was soaked with blood at the spot where Russell said one of the alleged arms dealers was shot in the head as he unloaded three to four rifles. Soldiers showed reporters an ID card bearing the dead man's photo that was issued in Saddam's regime as a sign of privilege for his supporters".
i think this is a step in the right direction. The US is finally getting accurate intelligence.
As for the arms dealers who were shot.... They were there to distribute weaponry that was to be used against US soldiers. US forces have a right to defend themselves and acted accordingly, well within their rights per the rules of engagement in urban areas.
What do u think would have happened if we tried to arrest those two guys? First whiff of US soldiers and they start spraying AK rounds all over the place. Putting US soldiers at risk.
Let me ask you this... if we tried to arrest them on a busy street, rounds start flying around, a burst of AK rounds finds a group of civilians.... who is going to be held accountable??
As for the arms dealers who were shot.... They were there to distribute weaponry that was to be used against US soldiers. US forces have a right to defend themselves and acted accordingly, well within their rights per the rules of engagement in urban areas.
What do u think would have happened if we tried to arrest those two guys? First whiff of US soldiers and they start spraying AK rounds all over the place. Putting US soldiers at risk.
Let me ask you this... if we tried to arrest them on a busy street, rounds start flying around, a burst of AK rounds finds a group of civilians.... who is going to be held accountable??
Each family is allowed to have 1 AK-47, pistols, and shotguns. No machine guns, RPG's, grenades etc.
we're forgetting the fact that these men were distributing semi-automatic assualt rifles. I dont know the US' exact stance on that, but until someone shows me otherwise, I'm going to have to assume that's a no-no unless it is under the direct supervision of US forces.
Oh please. How do you know the guns weren't bought by people to defend their business' and homes from all the looters and criminals. By your logic, gun sales should be banned in the US because they are the favorite weapon of criminals and murderers.
No matter what Bush said on that carrier, the war is still going on. If it takes a couple of dead arms dealers to save US lives, so be it.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/08/iraq-030808-rferl-102636.htm
Iraqi A: distributing the AK-47's was obviously not authorized to carry such weapons. So we shot him as an enemy combatant.
Iraqi B: Touches Ak-47 being illegally carried by Iraq A. He becomes a combatant, so we shoot him
Iraqi C: Also touches illegal weapons making him a combatant and that's right, we shoot him.
Iraqi D: Dumb@$$ tries to run away with the AK-47 in his hand. Yep, we got him too.
So, despite your efforts to portray innocent Iraqis trying to buy assualt rifles. Unless they are authorized to do so, it is illegal, and the troops acted within thier rights governed by the rules of engagement in urban areas.
You forget this is a war, US soldiers are dying everyday because scumbags like this guy are selling weapons to everyone they see.
sandorski
No Lifer
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Wow, so they know that every Friday some guys go to a market and sell weapons. Solution, place some snipers around the market and pick off anyone holding a gun? Sounds reasonable, umm maybe not. Since it was known this was going to occur(the sale of weapons), why not just wait, have the snipers radio in what's going down, then swoop in? Hell, these guys likely could have provided valuable info, such as where/who they received the weaps from. At the very least you wouldn't have innocent bystanders shatting their pants and likely developing a hatred for you.
Ah well, what do we know? Bush has confiscated all those WMD he knew about and all, he couldn't possibly be a moron, could he?
Ah well, what do we know? Bush has confiscated all those WMD he knew about and all, he couldn't possibly be a moron, could he?
Pliablemoose
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Holy f*ck, the ignorance in this thread is astounding...
The AK's were more than likely full auto, not semi-auto
Any of you all that want to go disarm some criminals carrying multiple full auto weapons, please go to the front of the line...
Our troops in Iraq are not cops on the beat, they're soldiers & we're @ war & occupying a hostile country.
The AK's were more than likely full auto, not semi-auto
Any of you all that want to go disarm some criminals carrying multiple full auto weapons, please go to the front of the line...
Our troops in Iraq are not cops on the beat, they're soldiers & we're @ war & occupying a hostile country.
Swoop in then what ? Just arrest them right in the middle of loyal Sadamist ( most of who are carrying weapons ? ) Right.
Sorry to burst your bubble but those in that area already hate the US and would gladly kill any American there in a heartbeat. Also, I'd gladly have them "shatting their pants" then listen to the liberal and U.S. haters out there whine and say we ended up killing more than a few who would have jumped our men as they " just arrested " these combatants. Now these Sadamist can not just openly deal their weapons out without thinking twice.
Pliablemoose
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Once again, jump to the front of the line, let's do a root cause analysis on someone who's cutting off your head on videotape...
Where are they supposed to get authorization to buy an AK? It's their country, why can't they buy a gun if they need one?
It's like this. I think the resistance elements aren't going to be exchanging weapons in the open.
It's mostly the people who need to make a few bucks and maybe have an AK lying around, and schmucks buying AK's to protect themselves who will get shot.
In a country where everyone and their mother has an AK47, you can't just be going around shooting people who have one if they don't even act agressively towards US forces. If there is no police, and every bad guy has an AK, a makarov is just not gonna cut it for self defense.
It's mostly the people who need to make a few bucks and maybe have an AK lying around, and schmucks buying AK's to protect themselves who will get shot.
In a country where everyone and their mother has an AK47, you can't just be going around shooting people who have one if they don't even act agressively towards US forces. If there is no police, and every bad guy has an AK, a makarov is just not gonna cut it for self defense.
Wrong!!! for the moment it is our country as it has always been in the history of war. The winner sets the rules. If i were in command over there I would round up all those that have manicured fingernails and execute them, they were the privlidged class and those are the ones that are causing all the problems.
Bleep
Ah it's lose-lose-lose either way in terms of pleasing the usual complainers:
A. If the troops stay in Iraq and don't do anything for protection, wave the bloody shirt every time an American gets picked off.
B. If American soldiers take action to defend themselves while trying to keep order, than it's "WAH WAH HORRIBLE UNJUST UNFAIR!!!"
C. If the troops withdraw entirely, then we're "not comitting ourselves to rebuilding the country and creating animosty."
So yeah, we know you guys hate Bush already... it becomes clear well before the 5000th time or so.
A. If the troops stay in Iraq and don't do anything for protection, wave the bloody shirt every time an American gets picked off.
B. If American soldiers take action to defend themselves while trying to keep order, than it's "WAH WAH HORRIBLE UNJUST UNFAIR!!!"
C. If the troops withdraw entirely, then we're "not comitting ourselves to rebuilding the country and creating animosty."
So yeah, we know you guys hate Bush already... it becomes clear well before the 5000th time or so.
Guys guys guys.
Face the facts.
The distribution of weapons is ILLEGAL without proper authorization!!!!!!!
How do u get authorization to carry such a weapon? Maybe a process kinda like registering firearms here in the UNited States????
If martial law is declared in LA, you walk down the street with a bebe gun in your hand, you better bet your a$$ u are getting put down.
I cannot believe this discussion.
Let me get this straight....
US troops have no right to defend themselves. US troops cannot enforce rules established by their superiors. US troops should all be required to paint bullseyes on their chest.
Iraqi people should disregard all orders given by US forces. Iraqis loyal to Saddam should report to the nearest downtown market and freely distribute weapons that are to be used against US forces. Iraqis should immeiately put their newly aquired AK-47s on full automatic. Once weapons are on full auto, Iraqis are to immediately proceed to nearest US soldier and open fire. Iraqis should not fear rebuttle due to the fact that a group of highly influencial computer geeks dont think it's ok for US troops to open fire on Iraqi people toting around assualt rifles.
Am I close?
Face the facts.
The distribution of weapons is ILLEGAL without proper authorization!!!!!!!
How do u get authorization to carry such a weapon? Maybe a process kinda like registering firearms here in the UNited States????
If martial law is declared in LA, you walk down the street with a bebe gun in your hand, you better bet your a$$ u are getting put down.
I cannot believe this discussion.
Let me get this straight....
US troops have no right to defend themselves. US troops cannot enforce rules established by their superiors. US troops should all be required to paint bullseyes on their chest.
Iraqi people should disregard all orders given by US forces. Iraqis loyal to Saddam should report to the nearest downtown market and freely distribute weapons that are to be used against US forces. Iraqis should immeiately put their newly aquired AK-47s on full automatic. Once weapons are on full auto, Iraqis are to immediately proceed to nearest US soldier and open fire. Iraqis should not fear rebuttle due to the fact that a group of highly influencial computer geeks dont think it's ok for US troops to open fire on Iraqi people toting around assualt rifles.
Am I close?
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