WTF Texas? My state is cutting the university's budget by 24%...

[Wreckem]

Good, and they should start with Mack Brown's $5.1M annual salary.

Do you know how college coaching agreements work? Not a dime of tax payers money in most cases. Heck most money in a College Football coaches contract isn't even from the AD itself. Typically a contract has built in endorsement deals, personal appearances, and money provided from Football boosters.

In Mack Browns case is doesn't matter, how much money did UT football make last year? I'd have to guess more than academic research did.

 

[Wreckem]

Back in the 60s, my alma mater paved over the football field and built a library in its place. The president felt that the school was focusing too much on sports when the focus should be on education and learning. And we were a founding Big 10 member.

Back in the 1960s when college enrollments and college budgets were next to nothing. Lets not forget the television market for sports just really didn't exist.

For fucks sake, again. Its NOT athletics(specifically it is not football) causing budget problems, at least not at most schools and at least not in Texas. If it need be, schools should cut sports to get in under budget. If that means getting rid of golf, swimming, diving, lacrosse, tennis, etc. So be it.

 

[DesiPower]

A third rate country can't afford to educate its people. A third rate country becomes a third rate country by being full of third rate people.

Troll began at #43 post, wow! this thread was a success!!!

 

[Zebo]

Good, and they should start with Mack Brown's $5.1M annual salary.

Football pays for the entire athletic department at schools including womens sports, swimming and wrestling scholarships which would lose money without football. Best to have a successful team and that costs money millions to get best talent.

 

[Zebo]

Do you know how college coaching agreements work? Not a dime of tax payers money in most cases. Heck most money in a College Football coaches contract isn't even from the AD itself. Typically a contract has built in endorsement deals, personal appearances, and money provided from Football boosters.

In Mack Browns case is doesn't matter, how much money did UT football make last year? I'd have to guess more than academic research did.

That too.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Football pays for the entire athletic department at schools including womens sports, swimming and wrestling scholarships which would lose money without football. Best to have a successful team and that costs money millions to get best talent.

But how many fewer people would watch/ attend if the next coach down was used? Would there really be a $2 mill loss if a $3 mill coach where usesd?


An increse in tuition will only hurt those most in need of the educational opirtunities a state school provides.

 

[Zebo]

A third rate country can't afford to educate its people. A third rate country becomes a third rate country by being full of third rate people.

It aint education we need, we are already over-educated but overpaid. Why Hire Americanman when a Chinaman will work 20x as cheap and twice as hard? We got a math problem.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/01/25/lind_myth_china/index.html

 

[her209]

It aint education we need, we are already over-educated but overpaid. Why Hire Americanman when a Chinaman will work 20x as cheap and twice as hard? We got a math problem.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/01/25/lind_myth_china/index.html

Because when the Americanman can't buy the product, then it doesn't matter how cheaply it was made.

 

[Zebo]

But how many fewer people would watch/ attend if the next coach down was used? Would there really be a $2 mill loss if a $3 mill coach where usesd?


An increse in tuition will only hurt those most in need of the educational opirtunities a state school provides.

Lots if not successful like perpetual losers in thier division Big problem is national and regional TV contracts which is tens of millions of dollars. They would not pay him 5 million of he was not worth it. Everyone is paid what they are worth or person paying would not pay it.

 

[bfdd]

Lots if not successful like perpetual losers in thier division Big problem is national and regional TV contracts which is tens of millions of dollars. They would not pay him 5 million of he was not worth it. Everyone is paid what they are worth or person paying would not pay it.

Everyone is not paid what they are worth, they are paid what they can convince others they are worth. A very crucial distinction in fantasy vs reality.

 

[Zebo]

Everyone is not paid what they are worth, they are paid what they can convince others they are worth. A very crucial distinction in fantasy vs reality.

It's the same thing if you think about it. Convincing is just another factor of determining value. Bottom line is people would not pay it if they thought it not worth it, hence you're paid what you're worth.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

It's the same thing if you think about it. Convincing is just another factor of determining value. Bottom line is people would not pay it if they thought it not worth it, hence you're paid what you're worth.

Right. But if the decision makers are making the decision based on marginal levels of prestige instead of being fiscally optimizing then we've got a good reason to be unhappy with the pay decision.

 

[Vette73]

Football pays for the entire athletic department at schools including womens sports, swimming and wrestling scholarships which would lose money without football. Best to have a successful team and that costs money millions to get best talent.

Oh really?

NCAA Study Shows that Most Athletic Programs Lose Money
http://ctsportslaw.com/2008/05/22/ncaa-study-shows-that-most-athletic-programs-lose-money/

Only 17 of the more than 300 Division I athletic programs earned a net profit between 2004 and 2006

 

[piasabird]

I think a lot of universities are way over funded and they way overcharge for tuition. Tell the overpaid professors and deans to take a pay cut. The university needs to apply for more government grants and do more fund raising. Maybe they can get some big banks to send them a donation!

Often in tough times people are going to the community college and the courses may even be taught better at a community college. I see a lot of people going for transfer degrees and then only going to a university for the last 2 years.

 

[DrPizza]

Uhhhh, who funds "community colleges" in Texas? It's been brought up a couple of times in this thread. In NY, the state provides the majority of the funding for community colleges - they're part of the state schools.

 

[her209]

Uhhhh, who funds "community colleges" in Texas? It's been brought up a couple of times in this thread. In NY, the state provides the majority of the funding for community colleges - they're part of the state schools.

I dunno about TX but in CA, they're funded by the state. Pretty damn cheap per tuition cost to the students too.

 

[Zebo]

Oh really?

NCAA Study Shows that Most Athletic Programs Lose Money
http://ctsportslaw.com/2008/05/22/ncaa-study-shows-that-most-athletic-programs-lose-money/

Only 17 of the more than 300 Division I athletic programs earned a net profit between 2004 and 2006

Fail. That's why most are paid dick and Brown is paid 5 million.

For Longhorns, Money Grows on Football Program Instead of Trees

The Longhorns' football program amassed a whopping $87.5 million in gross revenue during the 2008-09 school year and the football program cleared a $65 million profit, according to figures from the U.S. Department of Education's Equity in Athletics. The 2008-09 school year is the most recent data that is available.

Not only that athletic departments are not football. Of course most athletic depts lose. Ever been to a track meet? Soccer game or wrestling meet? Let alone title 9 perpetual losers. But football takes care of a lot of shortfalls.

 

[Zebo]

I think a lot of universities are way over funded and they way overcharge for tuition. Tell the overpaid professors and deans to take a pay cut. The university needs to apply for more government grants and do more fund raising. Maybe they can get some big banks to send them a donation!

Often in tough times people are going to the community college and the courses may even be taught better at a community college. I see a lot of people going for transfer degrees and then only going to a university for the last 2 years.

Overpaid? No such thing unless fraud or robbery is commited. Legislature/BOE decides that who we elect therefore we decided already.

 

[zinfamous]

My state is cutting the university's budget by 24%...

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-e...university-chancellors-brace-for-budget-cuts/

WTF? How the hell do you run a state-runs university like that?

It is clear that a modern major state simply can't run on never taxing anyone for anything but a candy bar.

They cut $3 bill from UC last year, the largest University system in the country.

cry moar, Texas.

 

[Vette73]

Fail. That's why most are paid dick and Brown is paid 5 million.

For Longhorns, Money Grows on Football Program Instead of Trees


Not only that athletic departments are not football. Of course most athletic depts lose. Ever been to a track meet? Soccer game or wrestling meet? Let alone title 9 perpetual losers. But football takes care of a lot of shortfalls.

Again you said football pays for entire programs when the majority that is not true.
That and the ones that make a profit make it playing teams that lose money. Without them they would not be able to turn a profit either.
Cherry picking a couple schools does not reflect the system as a whole.



If education is the most important thing then schools would shut down their sports teams.

 

[Zebo]

Again you said football pays for entire programs when the majority that is not true.
That and the ones that make a profit make it playing teams that lose money. Without them they would not be able to turn a profit either.
Cherry picking a couple schools does not reflect the system as a whole.



If education is the most important thing then schools would shut down their sports teams.

Since we are talking about Texas where football king I was referring to them not a places just starting programs or without strong support. Nationwide I'd still say football covers itself if you want to go there.

What are you taliban? Athletics is part of a healthy education you learn a lot about dedication/persistence, teamwork, good habits etc not to mention healthy body, healthy mind. I wouldn't care if no one went, like title 9s and things like swimming, athletics should be there.

 

[bfdd]

I dunno about TX but in CA, they're funded by the state. Pretty damn cheap per tuition cost to the students too.

We have pretty good community colleges as well. It'd be quite silly of someone to skip going to one as well considering how cheap they are and how good their programs are for 2 years.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

The University President should announce that the first round of budget cuts comes from the football program...

Football is actually extremely profitable for any university with a decent team. Between tickets, TV deals, branding, and food sales, it's an excellent investment.

 

[Xenon]

Are you implying that Texans hate themselves?

Well, they/we voted Perry back into office again...

 

[Vette73]

Football is actually extremely profitable for any university with a decent team. Between tickets, TV deals, branding, and food sales, it's an excellent investment.

FACEPALM.

Again unless the program makes 100% return of its money it loses money, title 9 makes sure of that. Sans the womens sports making some money.

OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of athletic programs lose money.
Even if you look at the ones that do make money they make it while playing those that lose. So if you remove the ones that lose money there would be very few teams and no one would watch such a small set of teams play.