WTF! - Texas bill would mandate Christianity in public schools.

[kage69]

Whether or not something is christian is completely irrelevant to the question of is it American, is it Constitutional?

Favoring one religion over others and promoting it from state institutions is not compatible with the US Constitution. Anyone who believes otherwise fails miserably at errr, Americaning. Sorry not sorry.

 

[Moonbeam]

No silly, there are only facts, and cthulu, hey zeus, et all aren't required to appreciate them. Your reverence of love is all well and good, but you were asked to explain where your imagination and reality meet, and you haven't done that, shucks. "No idea what christianity is?" Heehe. Oh if only. If you don't know what the Establishment Clause is there are easier ways to communicate it. Just saying.

The joke I see here is someone refusing to acknowledge reality, despite help. I only mention this because apparently you seem have no idea what the Constitution is (like some Texans).

*the above typed with gobs of love*

In my opinion you are a conservative low level thinker. No offense, your horizons are as limited as they are not by flaws in your character but by the fact that you have never had help seeing objectively by anyone who knows anything. Instead you are a hodgepodge collection of the bullshit you were stewed in.

In the case here you are imprisoned by the limitations on how you confuse the factors that create the phenomenon of Christianity as you view it with an invisible phenomenon that applies as equally to you as it does to modern, as you call them, Christians.

The facts are that what you hate about Christians is what you hate about yourself, your naivety, your hypocrisy, and your need for the safety of belonging to the proper group of cult thinkers. You are a religious believer. A person of faith in the phony.

Hang on, my cat is butting my hand demanding pets and her motor is running.

 

[kage69]

In my opinion you are a conservative low level thinker. No offense, your horizons are as limited as they are not by flaws in your character but by the fact that you have never had help seeing objectively by anyone who knows anything. Instead you are a hodgepodge collection of the bullshit you were stewed in.

In the case here you are imprisoned by the limitations on how you confuse the factors that create the phenomenon of Christianity as you view it with an invisible phenomenon that applies as equally to you as it does to modern, as you call them, Christians.

The facts are that what you hate about Christians is what you hate about yourself, your naivety, your hypocrisy, and your need for the safety of belonging to the proper group of cult thinkers. You are a religious believer. A person of faith in the phony.

Hang on, my cat is butting my hand demanding pets and her motor is running.

Duley noted, summarily dismissed, no offense. So much noise devoid of signal, and prompted by what I assume is the inability to admit you are wrong. Strange, is there a self love issue here maybe? Being able to admit when you are wrong is a hallmark of a mature, rational, non indoctrinated mind IMO. I do here it when necessary, seen others do it too. But here, you make me sad. Oh the bullshit involved when someone asks if you really read the article! The nerve. Being called a conservative is also a bit strange. I would have thought a few decades of pro democracy/anti repug posting could steer you in the right direction there. Womp womp.

I suppose I could articulate why your pop pysch efforts fall flat here, again, perhaps ask you to leave your penchant for shaky assumptions and love of the immaterial alone for a time but we've been done that path before haven't we? Hodgepodge collection of bullshit, that's pretty funny given all that you've posted that has nothing to do with the subject. That kind of amusement would soothe my sadness I'm sure, but it's more important I adhere to the standard of 'that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.'

So. Have another try? Can you please address the disconnect between your opinion of the news in Texas and what was passed in their legislature? My feelings for christofascists in Texas are supported by the evidence of their deeds.

What do you have, besides your cat and a need to defend deists? Extra points if you can do it with the understanding that nationality != religion. I'm sorry your opinion of my input is so low, but it may just include subtleties of sufficient rarity as to appear to you as total gibberish. It may not be so much a matter that I'm far out, but rather that you have never been anywhere. Like Texas. Or a civics class.

 

[Moonbeam]

Duley noted, summarily dismissed, no offense. So much noise devoid of signal, and prompted by what I assume is the inability to admit you are wrong. Strange, is there a self love issue here maybe? Being able to admit when you are wrong is the hallmark of mature, rational mind IMO. I do here it when necessary, seen others do it too. You make me sad. Oh the bullshit involved when someone asks if you really read the article! The nerve.

I suppose I could articulate why your pop pysch efforts fall flat here, again, perhaps ask you to leave your penchant for shaky assumptions and love of the immaterial alone for a time but we've been done that path before haven't we? Hodgepodge collection of bullshit, that's pretty funny given all that you've posted that has nothing to do with the subject. That kind of amusement would soothe my sadness I'm sure, but it's more important I adhere to the standard of 'that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.'

So. Have another try? Can you please address the disconnect between your opinion of the news in Texas and what was passed in their legislature? My feelings for christofascists in Texas are supported by the evidence of their deeds.

What do you have, besides your cat and a need to defend deists?

Now were was I. The cats are fed and the dishes are clean. I remember. You hate who you are so you divide the world into us and them arrogating for yourself the notion that you and the right thinkers like you are the good guys and the Christian the bad guys even though you both do exactly the same thing. Remember that business of the mote and the beam? That's something a real Christian explained and everyone seems to have missed. You project the disease that you see in others because it is your own disease. This is the deep truth you avoid seeing by seeing evil in others. Christian Muslim Jew, Atheist, every belief system without exception is infected by this. You point at others to avoid seeing yourself.

You cling to your small truth and defend it feverishly to avoid recognition that you suffer from the same infection. What is the value of your truth when you don't see it in the only place there is something you can do about it. Without compassion for all of us fools in this world, how will we find it for ourselves, to know we have been forgiven. That is what you hate, the residue of all that guilt you feel because you didn't measure up. Christians have a gift for making people feel that way and here you come trumpeting your Godless ways. They nailed you on a cross real good. They wound up your top. Try to relax.

 

[kage69]

So, "No" then. You can't support your previous assertions and instead of saying that, you'd rather play more pop psyche babble with a person you know very little about. A "conservative." Ok.

This wasn't as fun as it was predictable, but thanks for trying anyway moon. I will leave you to your fixations, but should you develop an interest in this Establishment Clause and how it relates to the subject do let us know. Happy to provide all manner of factual details to help you in this trying time. I'd rather help than hate, but I don't think I can help you distinguish between a person like myself, a believer in true freedom of religion (and the Constitution that affords it), and the christofascists in Texas actually legislating their hate onto others. Were I a praying man I'd pray for you to able to appreciate the distinction. It's all on you I'm afraid. Good luck, and do scritch that cat for me.

 

[Dave_5k]

The appropriate format for the mandatory 10-commandments plaque in every Texas classroom:

 

[kage69]

The appropriate format for the mandatory 10-commandments plaque in every Texas classroom:

Too close to Arabic, which as we saw with the 'In God We Trust' signs is not permissible in Texas. Same for anything written in rainbow colored letters. Religious freedom in Texas = evangelicals stamping out other religions while forcing theirs down your throat. Probably no prayer room for muslims in the works, like in airports or hotels. Maybe we shouldn't hold our breath for a dharmachakra to show up I'm guessing.

Important note: an adverse reaction to having things forced down your (or your child's) throat means you hate yourself, also mirrors.

 

[Amused]

So I see someone here is deploying the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Ironically, the religious use this fallacy far more than any Scotsman ever did.

 

[hal2kilo]

100% this. Religion is a measure of control and its bad simply cause there is very little accountability. When is the last time a preacher was voted out of his parish? That is not how that works. Zero power to the people.

Heck, I remember a new young reverend that was drummed out of the church I went to as a kid for saying "I'll keep this sermon short, so you can all get home to watch the Redskins game".

 

[kage69]

Well, now I suppose we get to see what more religion will do to Texas. Will it continue to support the correlation of more religion producing more negative effects? We'll see. My guess is it will. Not just the usual poverty and crime long term - one of those effects will be more predation on children by religious order members, be in it school or at church.

I don't believe the intended goal of rescuing Texas conservatives from their eventual electoral demise will happen though. I had a rather religious upbringing, but thanks to the overall bankrupt nature of contemporary American christianity, especially the KJV bible itself, I'm as secular as it gets. I think these rulings in Texas will produce similar results, and probably quicker. Never being able to escape Sunday school? Yeah fuck that, dig that hole deeper boomers

 

[sandorski]

Christianity would be a whole lot better if it was less Christian and more Jesus[1].


1 the good parts

 

[Moonbeam]

Sure, but actual Christianity means little to modern Christian’s. And to our government, there’s no discernible difference.

The only thing I can do about how the world views Christianity is to make an effort to see that the way they are viewed is not shared by you. To categorize good and evil based on claimed religious orientation is a subset of a much more pervasive form of ignorance.

It is the result of thought which is time and imagination, emotional reactions to ideas that have no real existence. The duality created by thought is the root of judgmentalism, rationalization, and the justification of contempt.

These are but words that are empty if the fundamental unity of all being has been lost.

I believe there is a perspective change that that can happen to a seeker who is driven to answer the fundamental question of why it is that we suffer. I believe that Jesus was one of many who down through history deeply realized the answer, so deeply in fact that He allowed himself to be crucified as a symbol to show us the Way.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well, now I suppose we get to see what more religion will do to Texas. Will it continue to support the correlation of more religion producing more negative effects? We'll see. My guess is it will. Not just the usual poverty and crime long term - one of those effects will be more predation on children by religious order members, be in it school or at church.

I don't believe the intended goal of rescuing Texas conservatives from their eventual electoral demise will happen though. I had a rather religious upbringing, but thanks to the overall bankrupt nature of contemporary American christianity, especially the KJV bible itself, I'm as secular as it gets. I think these rulings in Texas will produce similar results, and probably quicker. Never being able to escape Sunday school? Yeah fuck that, dig that hole deeper boomers

So now it’s not just the self proclaimed religious but boomers who are at fault. Hehehehe.

What about sports?

I still can’t get over my contempt for any form of outlet that gave those filthy bastards any avenue of fun. Always glued to the TV roaring it up when some imbecile hit a ball over a fence instead of paying attention to Moonbeam.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The only thing I can do about how the world views Christianity is to make an effort to see that the way they are viewed is not shared by you. To categorize good and evil based on claimed religious orientation is a subset of a much more pervasive form of ignorance.

It is the result of thought which is time and imagination, emotional reactions to ideas that have no real existence. The duality created by thought is the root of judgmentalism, rationalization, and the justification of contempt.

These are but words that are empty if the fundamental unity of all being has been lost.

I believe there is a perspective change that that can happen to a seeker who is driven to answer the fundamental question of why it is that we suffer. I believe that Jesus was one of many who down through history deeply realized the answer, so deeply in fact that He allowed himself to be crucified as a symbol to show us the Way.

Ok, cool. But again, makes no difference to our government. Christian’s are Christian’s. Maybe someday we’ll get back to denominations persecuting each other when they control the government, but for now it’s not like that

 

[NWRMidnight]

By the thread title I thought Texas was mandating That schools teach the Christian religion. Instead they are only mandating the presence of the ten commandments on school grounds.

That makes far more sense than mandating Christianity.

Can you imagine a world in which you could mandate Christianity in Texas. It would turn that hell hole of a corrupted cesspool into a paradise on earth.

So, you agree that the laws of jihad (or what ever they are called) should also be displayed right next to the ten commandments.. right? You know, since forcing all classrooms to display the ten commandments isn't considered mandating the teaching of Christianity

 

[NWRMidnight]

My point is simple. You can’t be a Christian simply by calling yourself one.

Yet, people like you, call themselves a Christian, believe they are Christian, and yet, they violate the majority of principles laid out in the Bible. Can you point us to any passage in the bible that tells you to Force Christianity onto people? I am positive that it says to teach the gospel, and let them make the choice, freely. Are these kids/adults in schools going to have the choice to NOT see those 10 commandments every day? Since that answer is no, doesn't that go against the basic principles of the bible, and takes away their freedom choice, that God himself says he will never take away from you?

 

[Moonbeam]

So, you agree that the laws of jihad (or what ever they are called) should also be displayed right next to the ten commandments.. right? You know, since forcing all classrooms to display the ten commandments isn't considered mandating the teaching of Christianity

I said that forcing schools to display the 10 commandments isn't the same as mandating the teaching of Christianity because the ten commandments are commandments in several religions.

 

[ivwshane]

I said that forcing schools to display the 10 commandments isn't the same as mandating the teaching of Christianity because the ten commandments are commandments in several religions.

If we can’t teach crt or classes related to sex because some people are offended then we certainly shouldn’t be teaching the Ten Commandments either for the same reason, religion is offensive to some.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yet, people like you, call themselves a Christian, believe they are Christian, and yet, they violate the majority of principles laid out in the Bible. Can you point us to any passage in the bible that tells you to Force Christianity onto people? I am positive that it says to teach the gospel, and let them make the choice, freely. Are these kids/adults in schools going to have the choice to NOT see those 10 commandments every day? Since that answer is no, doesn't that go against the basic principles of the bible, and takes away their freedom choice, that God himself says he will never take away from you?

I have no idea from where you come up with this nonsense. I am not a Christian, have not said I am a Christian. I believe only that these religions are an expression of a deeper reality that is true but is ways believers and doubters never consider and have no understanding of. I am a radical liberal so far to the left that all your talk of freedom of belief and separation of church and state are kindergarten level principles. All that stuff is axiomatic. The important stuff isn't what you know to be true, but stuff you can't yet see, stuff you have to be profoundly liberal to consider.

We are never going to get anywhere in conversation so long as you hold the absurd notion that God is a thing that exists or doesn't. God is only in a God conscious state. To awaken is to be here and there is no other place that exists.You aren't here if you are thinking because thought is of the past.

 

[Moonbeam]

If we can’t teach crt or classes related to sex because some people are offended then we certainly shouldn’t be teaching the Ten Commandments either for the same reason, religion is offensive to some.

Personally I am not very fond of the ten commandments. Some strike me as absurd. Honor thy father and mother, for example should be optional. In my opinion honor is something you are required to earn. Some parents are derelict assholes don't see any reason to honor them. But to hate them and hold them responsible for what they may in fact have caused does not take into account they could not have been more deserving of respect then they were. We are all guilty of blindness that was not our fault. But to live as harmoniously as possible in a group requires organizing principles like codes of behavior everybody must follow or pay a price to ignore. Religious codes would not be my choice but similar rules will probably apply.

 

[Muse]

It's absolutely unconstitutional. Besides, the 10 commandments are bullshit...

 

[MrSquished]

I knew moonbeam wasn't a Christian. His religion is guns.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I have no idea from where you come up with this nonsense. I am not a Christian, have not said I am a Christian. I believe only that these religions are an expression of a deeper reality that is true but is ways believers and doubters never consider and have no understanding of. I am a radical liberal so far to the left that all your talk of freedom of belief and separation of church and state are kindergarten level principles. All that stuff is axiomatic. The important stuff isn't what you know to be true, but stuff you can't yet see, stuff you have to be profoundly liberal to consider.

We are never going to get anywhere in conversation so long as you hold the absurd notion that God is a thing that exists or doesn't. God is only in a God conscious state. To awaken is to be here and there is no other place that exists.You aren't here if you are thinking because thought is of the past.

Maybe because of your actions where you say you are not a Christian, yet you throw up posts like below, where you word it as though you are "just saying", yet you then tell other's they have no idea what Christianity is. Which is something only Christians do, because non Christians, in the eyes of Christians don't know what Christianity is. So if you are not a Christian, then you don't know what Christianity is either. Which means you are talking out both sides of your mouth, trying to play both sides..

There is only love and the love of Christ is one way to take you there. Just imagine if I could mandate you and all of Texas would actually see this. But there is no mandate that could make this happen. I only mention this because you have no idea what Christianity is. It isn't the joke you see in Texas and elsewhere. Just saying........

As for your next bullshit, head up your ass post:

I said that forcing schools to display the 10 commandments isn't the same as mandating the teaching of Christianity because the ten commandments are commandments in several religions.

The 10 commandments the Texas Government are referring to are those practiced by the Christian faith, which you fucking know. Many religions have 10 commandments, but they differ across nearly all religions, they are not the same, some even have more than 10. The 10 commandments play a fundamental roll in Judaism and Christianity Only. So please, tell us again they are not mandating the teaching of Christianity in Texas, or do you think the spirit behind the bill is based on Judaism?

 

[sdifox]

I nominate this historically accurate depiction to be displayed in Texas

 

[Moonbeam]

I knew moonbeam wasn't a Christian. His religion is guns.

I thought you were a big fan of guns and would have a boat load of them to defend against the imminent threat of a Republican fascist takeover and were pushing for liberals like myself to buy them and would be buying them your self but for reasons you mentioned.

Actually, I mostly post on the subject of guns for the same reason I do on religion. The level of psychological ignorance that creates the bases of opinions on this forum on those topics and others is pretty colossal in my opinion. Wandering around in the dark as you do could damage your nose. I don’t want that to happen to you.