WTF?! Shrub wants more tax cuts! Put the future aside.

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How about we cut spending BEFORE we cut taxes?

I would agree with that from this point on...but I sure don't want to have taxes increased BEFORE we cut spending.

Good to see people getting tired of the overspending out gov't does though. I'm sure some will whine when their pet issue sees a cut or a reduction in growth(which is a "cut" to democrats) though and then we're still stuck at square one.

CkG

You will never cut spending until you raise taxes across the board to match that spending. People aren't interested in spending cuts unless they get a lower taxes from them. If you tell people they can have lower taxes without cutting spending, they won't care about spending. It's supply and demand. Which is why I believe everyone should pay some taxes, and that taxes versus total government spending must be a monotonicly increasing function for everyone regardless of tax bracket, and spending increases must result in across the board tax hikes. Every voter needs to feel the negative impact higher government spending in order to get them interested in lower spending.

Bullsh!t. WE CAN CUT SPENDING - regardless of incoming tax dollars, it's just that some seem to give lip service to the deficit and such yet squeal like a b1tch when someone says "cut" if it comes close to touching their pet. Yes - both sides do it, and that's why we need to just do it instead of caving in to the whining of everyone. Either that or just put up with deficits and debt like we have for since most of us have been alive(or longer). Coving the spending problem with tax increase band-aids doesn't fix the problem.

CkG

Edit- charrison- but, but, but....

Cutting spending is just going to happen. It would be like trying to get a teenage girl with daddys credit card to reduce spending. As long as congress/president don't have to pay for x during thier term they will see no reason to cut x.

I wouldn't be so sure.
We just have to deliver Bush and a few more seats to be able to push real reform through.

CkG

That is some real reform reducing the size of the increase of 16% of the budget.

Better than nothing though - no? But really - don't think they won't try for more once they are successful the first time

CkG

Any cut in the increase of spending in that 16 will be more then over compinsated for in the other 84% of the budget and it is not an attempt to cut spending just move spending to the R's pet projects.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How about we cut spending BEFORE we cut taxes?

I would agree with that from this point on...but I sure don't want to have taxes increased BEFORE we cut spending.

Good to see people getting tired of the overspending out gov't does though. I'm sure some will whine when their pet issue sees a cut or a reduction in growth(which is a "cut" to democrats) though and then we're still stuck at square one.

CkG

You will never cut spending until you raise taxes across the board to match that spending. People aren't interested in spending cuts unless they get a lower taxes from them. If you tell people they can have lower taxes without cutting spending, they won't care about spending. It's supply and demand. Which is why I believe everyone should pay some taxes, and that taxes versus total government spending must be a monotonicly increasing function for everyone regardless of tax bracket, and spending increases must result in across the board tax hikes. Every voter needs to feel the negative impact higher government spending in order to get them interested in lower spending.

Bullsh!t. WE CAN CUT SPENDING - regardless of incoming tax dollars, it's just that some seem to give lip service to the deficit and such yet squeal like a b1tch when someone says "cut" if it comes close to touching their pet. Yes - both sides do it, and that's why we need to just do it instead of caving in to the whining of everyone. Either that or just put up with deficits and debt like we have for since most of us have been alive(or longer). Coving the spending problem with tax increase band-aids doesn't fix the problem.

CkG

Edit- charrison- but, but, but....

Cutting spending is just going to happen. It would be like trying to get a teenage girl with daddys credit card to reduce spending. As long as congress/president don't have to pay for x during thier term they will see no reason to cut x.

I wouldn't be so sure.
We just have to deliver Bush and a few more seats to be able to push real reform through.

CkG

That is some real reform reducing the size of the increase of 16% of the budget.

Better than nothing though - no? But really - don't think they won't try for more once they are successful the first time

CkG

Any cut in the increase of spending in that 16 will be more then over compinsated for in the other 84% of the budget and it is not an attempt to cut spending just move spending to the R's pet projects.

Do you know what that "other 84%" is? Believe you me - if they have a chance - they will chew a portion of that 84% too

CkG

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How about we cut spending BEFORE we cut taxes?

I would agree with that from this point on...but I sure don't want to have taxes increased BEFORE we cut spending.

Good to see people getting tired of the overspending out gov't does though. I'm sure some will whine when their pet issue sees a cut or a reduction in growth(which is a "cut" to democrats) though and then we're still stuck at square one.

CkG

You will never cut spending until you raise taxes across the board to match that spending. People aren't interested in spending cuts unless they get a lower taxes from them. If you tell people they can have lower taxes without cutting spending, they won't care about spending. It's supply and demand. Which is why I believe everyone should pay some taxes, and that taxes versus total government spending must be a monotonicly increasing function for everyone regardless of tax bracket, and spending increases must result in across the board tax hikes. Every voter needs to feel the negative impact higher government spending in order to get them interested in lower spending.

Bullsh!t. WE CAN CUT SPENDING - regardless of incoming tax dollars, it's just that some seem to give lip service to the deficit and such yet squeal like a b1tch when someone says "cut" if it comes close to touching their pet. Yes - both sides do it, and that's why we need to just do it instead of caving in to the whining of everyone. Either that or just put up with deficits and debt like we have for since most of us have been alive(or longer). Coving the spending problem with tax increase band-aids doesn't fix the problem.

CkG

Edit- charrison- but, but, but....

Cutting spending is just going to happen. It would be like trying to get a teenage girl with daddys credit card to reduce spending. As long as congress/president don't have to pay for x during thier term they will see no reason to cut x.

I wouldn't be so sure.
We just have to deliver Bush and a few more seats to be able to push real reform through.

CkG

That is some real reform reducing the size of the increase of 16% of the budget.

Better than nothing though - no? But really - don't think they won't try for more once they are successful the first time

CkG

Any cut in the increase of spending in that 16 will be more then over compinsated for in the other 84% of the budget and it is not an attempt to cut spending just move spending to the R's pet projects.

Do you know what that "other 84%" is? Believe you me - if they have a chance - they will chew a portion of that 84% too

CkG

They can the republican countrol all the branchs of the goverment. I guess they might fear a filibuster from the democrats if they cut their own pet projects?

 

[UCSDHappyAsian]

well... i dont know the exact amount of our debt, but i know its in the healthy range. having national debts are good in a lot ways. also, about tax cut, if you compare our tax to other countries... we payin too much. in california for example, an average american pay about 1/2 of its salary to government. income tax, sales tax, property tax, dmv tax, gasoline tax, even the canned soda..... we are seriously payin too much for the tax...... in return, our government couldn't even prevend terror attack such as 911.... pissin me off

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
well... i dont know the exact amount of our debt, but i know its in the healthy range. having national debts are good in a lot ways. also, about tax cut, if you compare our tax to other countries... we payin too much. in california for example, an average american pay about 1/2 of its salary to government. income tax, sales tax, property tax, dmv tax, gasoline tax, even the canned soda..... we are seriously payin too much for the tax...... in return, our government couldn't even prevend terror attack such as 911.... pissin me off

If you are so upset with high CA taxes, maybe we should gut the UC system funding, and save us all some money? You think having good public university system is cheap?
Would you rather get a tax cut and have to shell out $35K/year for private university tuition versus that pittance of instate tuition you are paying?
Also, please back up your assertions with links to real numbers. Compared to other civilized countries, our tax rates are not high. Clearly our taxes are not high enough to pay for our own spending, or we wouldn't have these huge deficits, both at state and federal levels.

 

[dmcowen674]

Just let em spend the farm, the well will run dry and they will have to scurry like the rats that they are and then the next generation can start over without them. It's just a shame they will have to live like the Pilgrims doing it.