WTF? Romney says Paul Ryan budget is not his budget.

[Farang]

So you honestly think Romney is cheating on his income tax returns and the IRS has been unable to notice it - but returners can? It is loonie for returners to think such things, but they do anyway.

We all know Romney is following the tax code, so we can all make a pretty reasonable idea as to what percentage he is paying on the various types of money he earns. Yet, even already knowing this, you demand the exact rounded to the nearest dollar amounts for some strange reason. That falls squarely into the loonie conspiracy category.

The Obama administration is quite opaque as it is, so claiming Romney would not be transparent is meaningless.

Obama also refuses to show his transcripts. I lump transcripters into the same loonie category as birthers and returners...since they all demand stupid things that do not matter.


Romney is not going to release his returns for a long time, simple because it keeps the loonie returners occupied with something stupid. When occupied in such a way, they do not bother looking for anything real to hit him on. Same problem the loonie birthers had.

There simply is no legitimate reason for needing the exact numbers.

I think it speaks to Romney's character that he is willing to cast aside precedent (established by his father) to protect his own interests. Not only does he not have to release returns, but every candidate in the future can cite Romney for their not having to release returns. That is the opposite of statesmanship. Compare a move like this to George Washington going home after 8 years.

He isn't even meeting the standard the Senate has established for confirming cabinet appointees.

This is not a partisan issue, it's unfortunate partisan concerns are leading the Republican party to disavow the precedent of candidates releasing returns (fortunately a healthy chunk of Republicans have not sold out, and agree Romney should release them).

Why is it important? Among other things Americans have a right to know your financial ties and interests before electing you to the highest office in the land.

Even if Romney is squeaky clean, as I said it is completely selfish and against the interests of the country to establish for future campaigns that it is ok to no release returns.

 

[Aegeon]

So you honestly think Romney is cheating on his income tax returns and the IRS has been unable to notice it - but returners can? It is loonie for returners to think such things, but they do anyway.

We all know Romney is following the tax code, so we can all make a pretty reasonable idea as to what percentage he is paying on the various types of money he earns. Yet, even already knowing this, you demand the exact rounded to the nearest dollar amounts for some strange reason. That falls squarely into the loonie conspiracy category...

Romney is not going to release his returns for a long time, simple because it keeps the loonie returners occupied with something stupid. When occupied in such a way, they do not bother looking for anything real to hit him on. Same problem the loonie birthers had.

There simply is no legitimate reason for needing the exact numbers.

You clearly can't read since I clearly said no such thing.

I find the idea Romney outright cheated on taxes highly doubtful, although theoretically he could have taken advantage of the Swiss bank back taxes amnesty from a bit ago which would be technically entirely legal but realistically should disqualify him for the Presidency.

However, this does not mean he didn't resort to methods that many Americans may find highly ethically dubious, which is different than merely technically legal at the time, to keep a very low tax burden. (Also bringing up the question of how he would feel about eliminating many of these tax breaks he has taken advantage of.)

The claim we have a good idea what Romney paid in taxes is preposterous. We don't know what he actually earned each year in taxable income, and we really don't know exactly how he earned it and what major dedications were therefore available. He could have paid under 10% per year, or could have conceivably actually paid more than 20% for some of those years, although the second seems generally highly unlikely given his current behavior on the subject. The right tax years could also potentially provide more info about Romney's links to Bain Capital for instance through 2001, including exactly how much he earned while at least still officially CEO.

Edit: There are also questions about how exactly he got 100 million dollars in his Roth IRA.

Contrary to your claims, people have plenty of legitimate reason to see the tax returns, which will be the first instance in which we actually particularly get any idea what Romney really paid in taxes percentage wise over the years, (its not about simply not knowing precise details) along with details such as how aggressive and creative he got while seeking tax deductions and the like.

There are reasons that tax records over a number of years (not just two which the candidate while effectively running for President may have carefully manipulated to look good for public appearances) has basically been the standard for Presidential candidates in recent elections.

 

[techs]

As I predicted for the last 3 years by the time the 2012 presidential election came around the Republitards would have forgotten all about the deficit and would put forth a plan that once again borrowed from China to give money to the richest Americans.

I am right once again.

 

[a777pilot]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/mitt-romney-paul-ryan-budget_n_1767765.html

Mitt Romney: Paul Ryan Budget Is Not His, Candidate 'Putting Together His Own'

Within minutes of tapping Paul Ryan as his vice presidential nominee, presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney was distancing himself from the congressman's controversial budget, which includes steep cuts to government programs and changing Medicare into a voucher-like program.

The Romney campaign sent out talking points on Saturday that made the case that he was his own man on matters of Medicare and Social Security and that he wouldn't be tied to a document he insisted he'd sign into law and once called "marvelous."




It took less than a DAY for Romney to flip flop on the Ryan budget.

I guess the righties here didn't get the memo.

ROFLMAO!

Of course Romney will put together his own budget. No matter what's in it, at least in a Romney Administration there will actually be a budget, unlike obama.

 

[EagleKeeper]

As I predicted for the last 3 years by the time the 2012 presidential election came around the Republitards would have forgotten all about the deficit and would put forth a plan that once again borrowed from China to give money to the richest Americans.

I am right once again.

What happened to Obam's statements that he would reduce the deficit from 10 to 5T. And that if he did not reduce the deficit, he deserved to be a one term president.

Talk about a flip

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You must have missed this post then:



Returners = Birthers. Both hold loonie conspiracies of evil doing. The like to link everything to their loonie conspiracy.

Ah - you mean "loonie [sic] conspiracy" theorists like all of the Republicans who have called for Romney to release his tax returns? Was Romney a "loonie [sic] conspiracy" theorist when he called for Ted Kennedy to release his tax returns, and expressed skepticism about Kennedy's use of blind trusts to manage his affairs? I guess, by your standards, he is one "loonie" candidate, huh?

 

[jman19]

So you honestly think Romney is cheating on his income tax returns and the IRS has been unable to notice it - but returners can? It is loonie for returners to think such things, but they do anyway.

*rest of post removed*

Nice straw man.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Mitt Romney: Paul Ryan Budget Is Not His, Candidate 'Putting Together His Own'

...Then why the hell would you pick him to be your running mate? It just doesn't make any sense. "I don't like this guy's budget plan...so I'm picking him to be my VP running mate."

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

What happened to Obam's statements that he would reduce the deficit from 10 to 5T. And that if he did not reduce the deficit, he deserved to be a one term president.

Talk about a flip

Thats not a flip flop even if your statement was remotely accurate.

 

[trenchfoot]

I wonder when in the campaign cycle will Willie and Nillie release to the world a detailed version of their economic plan that will "save our nation (of the rich)" so we all can wonder in awe at the sheer genius of how a repeat of the Bush/Cheney years will be good for us now when it nearly destroyed us (economically) then.

LOL, c'mon Willie, c'mon Nillie, show us how top down economics work well in the worst of times when it didn't even work in the best of times....for the middle class and the poor, that is.

 

[alzan]

You're right. I bet Romney didn't even know about the Paul Ryan budget until after announcing him.

Wow, for a guy who's running for President he seems awfully ill-informed. I'm not running for President and I knew about Ryan's proposed budget.

Or maybe Romney knew about it before he didn't know about it.

 

[cybrsage]

This is not a partisan issue, it's unfortunate partisan concerns are leading the Republican party to disavow the precedent of candidates releasing returns (fortunately a healthy chunk of Republicans have not sold out, and agree Romney should release them).

Yes, it is a very partisan issue...and a loonie one as well, just like the birthers.

Why is it important? Among other things Americans have a right to know your financial ties and interests before electing you to the highest office in the land.

No, actually they do not. You made that up on the spot, and it shows. Give me an actual legitimate reason for needing to see his exact numbers.

Even if Romney is squeaky clean, as I said it is completely selfish and against the interests of the country to establish for future campaigns that it is ok to no release returns.

How is it selfish? It is no more selfish than refusing to show your school transcripts. Refusing to show either of them is not selfish. Demanding to see both is loonie, though.

Will you post your tax returns on this forum, or are you selfish?

 

[cybrsage]

Nice straw man.

So what is your loonie reason for wanting to see his exact numbers? No one has been able to come up with a legitimate reason yet. Give it a shot. As of right now we have these:

Cause everyone else is doing it.
Cause I said so.
Cause he is cheating on his returns and I can prove it if he releases them even though the IRS cannot.
Cause I need to know exactly how he earns his money since the Secret Service is unable to tell if he is being paid by a foreign power to subvert the US.
Cause his dead dad did it.

Pretty loonie list, but that is what we have so far. Give it a shot, what are you going to say to add to the list of returner lunacy?

 

[cybrsage]

Ah - you mean "loonie [sic] conspiracy" theorists like all of the Republicans who have called for Romney to release his tax returns? Was Romney a "loonie [sic] conspiracy" theorist when he called for Ted Kennedy to release his tax returns, and expressed skepticism about Kennedy's use of blind trusts to manage his affairs? I guess, by your standards, he is one "loonie" candidate, huh?

You should see a doctor to take care of your [sic]kness.

 

[Bowfinger]

So what is your loonie reason for wanting to see his exact numbers? No one has been able to come up with a legitimate reason yet. Give it a shot. As of right now we have these:

Cause everyone else is doing it.
Cause I said so.
Cause he is cheating on his returns and I can prove it if he releases them even though the IRS cannot.
Cause I need to know exactly how he earns his money since the Secret Service is unable to tell if he is being paid by a foreign power to subvert the US.
Cause his dead dad did it.

Pretty loonie list, but that is what we have so far. Give it a shot, what are you going to say to add to the list of returner lunacy?

You are an incorrigible liar and a shameless RNC shill. It's called transparency, something wing-nut tools screech for when it's a Democrat yet evade when it's their own. Care to address why so many Republicans are also pushing for Romney to release his returns, or are you going to keep ignoring that inconvenient fact? Perhaps you need to wait for a new set of RNC parrot points to tell you what to think?


Edit: BTW. as desperately as you want to flog your "returner" label, it just makes you sound retarded. Only the most brainwashed partisan will find any equivalency between the fools who continued to demand Obama's birth certificate long after it (and substantial corroborating evidence) had been released, and demanding a candidate for the most powerful position in the world provide greater transparency for basic financial information.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You should see a doctor to take care of your [sic]kness.

Either that or you should learn to spell, at least the words you use again and again.

 

[dank69]

So what is your loonie reason for wanting to see his exact numbers? No one has been able to come up with a legitimate reason yet. Give it a shot. As of right now we have these:

Cause everyone else is doing it.
Cause I said so.
Cause he is cheating on his returns and I can prove it if he releases them even though the IRS cannot.
Cause I need to know exactly how he earns his money since the Secret Service is unable to tell if he is being paid by a foreign power to subvert the US.
Cause his dead dad did it.

Pretty loonie list, but that is what we have so far. Give it a shot, what are you going to say to add to the list of returner lunacy?

Careful when performing these advanced mental gymnastics, you might pull a groin muscle.

 

[cybrsage]

Either that or you should learn to spell, at least the words you use again and again.

I use loonie because I know it bothers people like you.

 

[cybrsage]

You are an incorrigible liar and a shameless RNC shill. It's called transparency, something wing-nut tools screech for when it's a Democrat yet evade when it's their own. Care to address why so many Republicans are also pushing for Romney to release his returns, or are you going to keep ignoring that inconvenient fact? Perhaps you need to wait for a new set of RNC parrot points to tell you what to think?

Careful when performing these advanced mental gymnastics, you might pull a groin muscle.

So neither of you actually have a legitimate reason for wanting to see the returns? Yep, two more loonie returners to add to the bin of other loonies such as the birthers.

The list will now include Bow's reasoning:

Cause everyone else is doing it.
Cause I said so.
Cause he is cheating on his returns and I can prove it if he releases them even though the IRS cannot.
Cause I need to know exactly how he earns his money since the Secret Service is unable to tell if he is being paid by a foreign power to subvert the US.
Cause his dead dad did it.
Cause transparency means he has to do what I demand.


Still waiting on an actual legitimate reason why people need to see the exact numbers on Romney's returns. So far, the loonie returners have come up with just a bunch of loonie reasons...which really is not a big surprise.

 

[Bowfinger]

You are an incorrigible liar and a shameless RNC shill. It's called transparency, something wing-nut tools screech for when it's a Democrat yet evade when it's their own. Care to address why so many Republicans are also pushing for Romney to release his returns, or are you going to keep ignoring that inconvenient fact? Perhaps you need to wait for a new set of RNC parrot points to tell you what to think?


Edit: BTW. as desperately as you want to flog your "returner" label, it just makes you sound retarded. Only the most brainwashed partisan will find any equivalency between the fools who continued to demand Obama's birth certificate long after it (and substantial corroborating evidence) had been released, and demanding a candidate for the most powerful position in the world provide greater transparency for basic financial information.

So neither of you actually have a legitimate reason for wanting to see the returns? Yep, two more loonie returners to add to the bin of other loonies such as the birthers.

The list will now include Bow's reasoning:

Cause everyone else is doing it.
Cause I said so.
Cause he is cheating on his returns and I can prove it if he releases them even though the IRS cannot.
Cause I need to know exactly how he earns his money since the Secret Service is unable to tell if he is being paid by a foreign power to subvert the US.
Cause his dead dad did it.
Cause transparency means he has to do what I demand.


Still waiting on an actual legitimate reason why people need to see the exact numbers on Romney's returns. So far, the loonie returners have come up with just a bunch of loonie reasons...which really is not a big surprise.

So yes, you are going to continue evading the inconvenient fact that many Republicans are pushing Romney to release his returns, and no, your new parrot points did not come in today so you're stuck in the same fail loop. Thanks for the update.

 

[sportage]

😀 😀 😀 😀

WTF? Romney says Paul Ryan budget is not his budget.

This is exactly what freaks >>"republicans"<< out.
Romney is all over the place on policy. All policy.
Romney has a past. A liberal past. A VERY liberal past.
When Mitt ran against Teddy Kennedy, Mitt was Liberal Mitt.
Now he is playing the tea party Mitt.
But... what about tomorrow? The next day? And the next after that?

Supporting Mitt, voting for Mitt, is like living is a haunted house.
You hear a strange noise. The room it comes from is totally dark.
The door is closed tight.
You keep hearing this strange noise.
Do you go in?
Do you open the door?
Remember, its dark in there.
What is behind that door?
What is making that noise?
what is making that awful sound in a totally dark room?
That room you never go into.
Should you open the door?
Should you go in?
Hmmmmmm
Should you?

Should I vote for Mitt?
He is like a dark room.
You hear his noise, but what is making that noise?
And can it possibly scary you TO DEATH !!!!
After... that is.... you pull the lever.
<insert Psycho movie theme music>

 

[Jhhnn]

So you honestly think Romney is cheating on his income tax returns and the IRS has been unable to notice it - but returners can? It is loonie for returners to think such things, but they do anyway.

We all know Romney is following the tax code, so we can all make a pretty reasonable idea as to what percentage he is paying on the various types of money he earns. Yet, even already knowing this, you demand the exact rounded to the nearest dollar amounts for some strange reason. That falls squarely into the loonie conspiracy category.

The Obama administration is quite opaque as it is, so claiming Romney would not be transparent is meaningless.

Obama also refuses to show his transcripts. I lump transcripters into the same loonie category as birthers and returners...since they all demand stupid things that do not matter.


Romney is not going to release his returns for a long time, simple because it keeps the loonie returners occupied with something stupid. When occupied in such a way, they do not bother looking for anything real to hit him on. Same problem the loonie birthers had.

There simply is no legitimate reason for needing the exact numbers.

Well then, there shouldn't be a problem with releasing them. But apparently there is, or Mitt would avoid all the heat, even that coming from his own party. Here's a partial list of the "loonie returners"-

http://www.reflector.com/greenville...ant-romney-release-more-tax-returns-right-now

I think you need to dig a deep hole & bury that particular characterization, because it's stinking up the place...

The Romney budget vs the Ryan budget? Either way, the rich get what they don't need, more money, and the rest of America gets the promises of trickledown.

I doubt either one would piss on your head if your hair was on fire, which is all the trickledown one might reasonably expect from them, anyway.

 

[Phokus]

Well then, there shouldn't be a problem with releasing them. But apparently there is, or Mitt would avoid all the heat, even that coming from his own party. Here's a partial list of the "loonie returners"-

http://www.reflector.com/greenville...ant-romney-release-more-tax-returns-right-now

I think you need to dig a deep hole & bury that particular characterization, because it's stinking up the place...

The Romney budget vs the Ryan budget? Either way, the rich get what they don't need, more money, and the rest of America gets the promises of trickledown.

I doubt either one would piss on your head if your hair was on fire, which is all the trickledown one might reasonably expect from them, anyway.

LOL, cybersage is so retarded to think 'returners' (is this something he made up) are equal to 'birthers'.

The truth is, birtherism was a made up controversy. It was so obvious that Obama was born in the US. Besides the fact that Obama showed his birth certificate several times already, there were newspapers that announced his birth. So you'd have to do mental gymnastics to basically beleive Obama forged those newspaper stories.

The controversy with Mitt's returns is the fact that WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHAT'S IN THEM.

Cybersage, you are truly a 'special' poster.

 

[cybrsage]

So yes, you are going to continue evading the inconvenient fact that many Republicans are pushing Romney to release his returns, and no, your new parrot points did not come in today so you're stuck in the same fail loop. Thanks for the update.

Ah the "cause other people want him to do it too" loonie excuse. This is not much better than the "cause everyone else is doing it" loonie excuse.

 

[cybrsage]

LOL, cybersage is so retarded to think 'returners' (is this something he made up) are equal to 'birthers'.

Phokus is so retarded he thinks there is an e between the b and r in my screen name.

Returners are as loonie as birthers. History will put returners in the file drawer as birthers and moon landing deniers.

The truth is, birtherism was a made up controversy. It was so obvious that Obama was born in the US. Besides the fact that Obama showed his birth certificate several times already, there were newspapers that announced his birth. So you'd have to do mental gymnastics to basically beleive Obama forged those newspaper stories.

He did not even need to be born in the US to be a natural born citizen. Seeing the birth certificate did not matter at all as it would change nothing. One of the reasons why birthers are loonie.

The controversy with Mitt's returns is the fact that WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHAT'S IN THEM.

What do you expect to find in them, the Zapruder Film negatives? We already know he does not pay more than he has to, just like you. Seeing the exact numbers in his returns do not matter at all as it will change nothing. One of the reasons why returners are loonie.