Yeah I guess so, Red. Considering that anything you do which is against the law makes you a crminal by definition. I wouldn't think to much of it though because it's literally a victumless crime, and I'd be pretty sure I wouldn't be caught.
apoppin
Lifer
Viper,
In some parts of this country people are NOT prosecuted for smoking or posessing marijuana. In other parts they get stiff sentences.
And FrogDog, when (if) the law changes - what is the magical event that changes criminal drug abusers back into people who need help? You brought up the subject "victimless crime" in regard to oral sex; can't that also be applied to drug use?
In some parts of this country people are NOT prosecuted for smoking or posessing marijuana. In other parts they get stiff sentences.
And FrogDog, when (if) the law changes - what is the magical event that changes criminal drug abusers back into people who need help? You brought up the subject "victimless crime" in regard to oral sex; can't that also be applied to drug use?
I'm not saying they don't need help, I'm just saying they _are_ criminals.
Edit - No, it can't. There is atleast one victum in every drug abuse case.
Edit - No, it can't. There is atleast one victum in every drug abuse case.
apoppin
Lifer
So where should the priorities be?
(1) Keeping drug abusing people criminals and locked up.
(2) Rehabilitating them and returning them to society as useful.
You choose.
EDIT: Who ELSE is the victim beside the drug user?
(1) Keeping drug abusing people criminals and locked up.
(2) Rehabilitating them and returning them to society as useful.
You choose.
EDIT: Who ELSE is the victim beside the drug user?
Oral sex between consenting adults in no way endangers the general population. Drug use does.
"Cocaine use, researchers have found, can both cause, and aggravate, the following symptoms:
Anxiety; Irritability; Undue excitability; Aggressiveness; Paranoia; Feelings of bugs crawling under the skin; Seeing, hearing and smelling things that are not there; Violence; Apathy, laziness, lethargy; Compulsive, repetitive behavior; Concentration Problems; Confusion; Memory problems, and Nervouseness and restlessness (jitters associated with both the use and withdrawl from the drug)"
Do you honestly believe that giving or receiving oral sex with your partner could cause equivalent results?
Viper GTS
"Cocaine use, researchers have found, can both cause, and aggravate, the following symptoms:
Anxiety; Irritability; Undue excitability; Aggressiveness; Paranoia; Feelings of bugs crawling under the skin; Seeing, hearing and smelling things that are not there; Violence; Apathy, laziness, lethargy; Compulsive, repetitive behavior; Concentration Problems; Confusion; Memory problems, and Nervouseness and restlessness (jitters associated with both the use and withdrawl from the drug)"
Do you honestly believe that giving or receiving oral sex with your partner could cause equivalent results?
Viper GTS
A combination would be good. Give them their sentance, except instead of going to jail, they go to a rehabilitation clinic, and when their sentance is over hopefully they'll be able to return and contribute to society.
<< Oral sex between consenting adults in no way endangers the general population >>
I see you've never received oral sex while driving.
<< EDIT: Who ELSE is the victim beside the drug user? >>
Some drugs cause the user to act very violently. Now, if this violence is not on him/her self, who's it acting towards?
I have to go out, so I'll check back in when I get home.
apoppin
Lifer
Oral sex between consenting adults in no way endangers the general population. Drug use does.
Why not? Both laws against drug use and oral sex are an attempt to legislate morals.
Oral sex can also lead to STDs. The lawmakers will also give you plenty of reasons.
You mentioned cocaine from a link. Click on the legal drug "alcohol' and tell em what you think. I posted about it a little earlier in this thread.
There is nothing education and rehabilitation won't solve. Our system as it is is a complete failure.
EDIT:Some drugs can get the users to act very violently. True FrogDog - alcohol is the prime example and it's legal.
Why not? Both laws against drug use and oral sex are an attempt to legislate morals.
Oral sex can also lead to STDs. The lawmakers will also give you plenty of reasons.
You mentioned cocaine from a link. Click on the legal drug "alcohol' and tell em what you think. I posted about it a little earlier in this thread.
There is nothing education and rehabilitation won't solve. Our system as it is is a complete failure.
EDIT:Some drugs can get the users to act very violently. True FrogDog - alcohol is the prime example and it's legal.
I see you've never received oral sex while driving.
You're absolutely right. The example we were using was in their bedroom, though... Not on the interstate.
Oral sex can also lead to STDs.
True, but it is far less likely to spread STD's than the completely legal "standard" sex. Laws against oral sex were intended to outlaw lewd behavior... But saying that consenting adults can't participate in activities behind closed doors is ludicrous.
If the effects of drug use were strictly limited to the user, I might be arguing from your side... But they're not. Try telling that to the people who've been mugged for money to support a drug habit, the people who've had their homes broken into & valuables stolen to support a drug habit, or those who have died because they came across the wrong person at the wrong time.
As for the legal status of alcohol, I'd be just happy if it was illegal as well. It's just as destructive as any other illegal drug.
Viper GTS
You're absolutely right. The example we were using was in their bedroom, though... Not on the interstate.
Oral sex can also lead to STDs.
True, but it is far less likely to spread STD's than the completely legal "standard" sex. Laws against oral sex were intended to outlaw lewd behavior... But saying that consenting adults can't participate in activities behind closed doors is ludicrous.
If the effects of drug use were strictly limited to the user, I might be arguing from your side... But they're not. Try telling that to the people who've been mugged for money to support a drug habit, the people who've had their homes broken into & valuables stolen to support a drug habit, or those who have died because they came across the wrong person at the wrong time.
As for the legal status of alcohol, I'd be just happy if it was illegal as well. It's just as destructive as any other illegal drug.
Viper GTS
Red...
I believe that even MrPALCO would agree with me on this one, especially if you added the stipulation that it was a married couple engaging in oral sex. If anyone was going to be arrested, it would certainly be your "Herr Palco" for being a Peeping Tom.
Viper GTS
I believe that even MrPALCO would agree with me on this one, especially if you added the stipulation that it was a married couple engaging in oral sex. If anyone was going to be arrested, it would certainly be your "Herr Palco" for being a Peeping Tom.
Viper GTS
apoppin
Lifer
All the negative things you mention, Viper GTS, is because of the severe penalties associated with drug use. In other (enlightened) countries where drug use is decriminalized, these negative consequences are not found.
We are also not speaking of the same thing. You are speaking of crimes committed against persons and property while under the influence of drugs. I do not believe being "under the influence" diminishes personal responsibility or is a shield against punnishment.
However, I am saying the personal choice to be a drug user (without committing OTHER crimes) is not sufficient reason to deprive a person of freedom.
We are also not speaking of the same thing. You are speaking of crimes committed against persons and property while under the influence of drugs. I do not believe being "under the influence" diminishes personal responsibility or is a shield against punnishment.
However, I am saying the personal choice to be a drug user (without committing OTHER crimes) is not sufficient reason to deprive a person of freedom.
Maybe we should revert to the way it was in the Old West with very little or no law. Everyone had a sidearm strtapped on and could solve their own issues. Yea, that's it!
Some states do have some wacky sexual-oriented laws on the books. For example, I found out that I broke 3 such laws in Virginia during a vacation. I guess I should turn myself in.
Some states do have some wacky sexual-oriented laws on the books. For example, I found out that I broke 3 such laws in Virginia during a vacation. I guess I should turn myself in.
<Try telling that to the people who've been mugged for money to support a drug habit, the people who've had their homes broken into & valuables stolen to support a drug habit, or those who have died because they came across the wrong person at the wrong time.>
I'm not condoning it but if drugs were legal this wouldn't happen as much because drugs wouldn't cost so much.
I'm not condoning it but if drugs were legal this wouldn't happen as much because drugs wouldn't cost so much.
<< You seem to be saying it was alright for the anonymous caller to rat on Downey. Is this something that we could expect you to do? I sure hope not. >>
I sure hope so!
Dennilfloss' post:
<< People seem to ignore the fact that the person who informed the police simply did his/her duty as a law-abiding citizen. Reporting a crime in progress is a duty, not a priviledge. >>
<< That person could have saved his life. I don't know about you, but screwing around with cocaine and methanphetemines is nothing to take lightly. >>
More people do those drugs than you think. I have mixed feelings about drugs. Some people can get high all the time and be normal. Other people go rob the local McDonalds. People do the same with Alcohol.
Drugs=Potential for abuse and irrational behavior.
Alcohol-Potential for abuse and irrational behavior.
Alcohol=Drug
Get it? Alcohol is a legal drug. Lots of people die from it. Lots of people thrive on it. Pot is illegal. Not a lot of people die from smoking pot. I would say very few(you would have to be kinda dumb to die by smoking pot) die from pot. Which is better? People do what people want to do. I am not for legalizing drugs but why is alcohol legal? Why should we not let people make their own choices. I realize that Satan is probably ice-skating right now because I agree with Red Dawn. If people want to use drugs it is a choice. Just as much as people who like to speed, have sex with hookers, drink, smoke dope, look at porn or drive a SUV(had to add that). We need education and rehabilitation. If they don't work then it is time for jail. Downey broke the law and his parole. I don't feel what he was doing was a threat to society.
I have a question of those who say they would have looked the other way...if you saw your neighbors taking meth or coke would it not concern you? Would you ever be afraid that they might binge, O.D. or do something to you or people around you?
To those who said they would have turned them in...would you rather us put Murderers and Rapists behind bars or someone who smokes pot. I realize that was not what Downey was doing, but I am speaking in metaphors.
Two words: Moral Dilemma
apoppin
Lifer
Anybody heard the latest news?
Police are saying that Mr. Downey may have been set-up and the drugs possibly planted. The 9-1-1 call was especially suspicious and a woman left his room immediately before they arrived.
Tonight's FOX TV news had this story . . .
Police are saying that Mr. Downey may have been set-up and the drugs possibly planted. The 9-1-1 call was especially suspicious and a woman left his room immediately before they arrived.
Tonight's FOX TV news had this story . . .
If that were true, I would be quite pleased. I was actually hoping to see him straighten himself out. I did enjoy his performances in some of the movies he's been in. However, if he sees fit to burn himself out then so be it. It's his life.
Red, you might hurt yourself by reaching that far. I suggest nothing of the sort. Your suspicions that he may have been set up are definitely credible, and I never disputed those. I did think twice after finding out that there were no guns found even though the mystery caller claimed that he was armed. And, your posts did get to me. It's not the first time. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Perhaps the woman that apoppin referred to is a jilted lover or something along those lines who had a score to settle.
Red, you might hurt yourself by reaching that far. I suggest nothing of the sort. Your suspicions that he may have been set up are definitely credible, and I never disputed those. I did think twice after finding out that there were no guns found even though the mystery caller claimed that he was armed. And, your posts did get to me. It's not the first time. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Perhaps the woman that apoppin referred to is a jilted lover or something along those lines who had a score to settle.
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