WTF? Pete "I'm banned for life" Rose coming back to baseball

[Topher]

Kranky, looks like you and I disagree on a few things. You are correct that he is in the MLB annals with his accomplishments etc. However, I don't believe that banning him from the Hall of Fame is proper punishment. What advantage would he have by being in the hall? One - voting on the veterans committee, and that could be easily suspended.

 

[kranky]

By being put in the Hall, he'd be able to peddle his autograph for even more than he gets now. That just irks me. There's an aura of shame around him now, and that's appropriate.

I could accept him being put in the Hall after he dies. That would satisfy the "lifetime" ban, and he wouldn't be able to profit from it. I wouldn't lobby for it, but I could live with it.

 

[diamondgoat53]

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: XFILE
CNN He was banned for life for betting on baseball games, including the team he was managing. I think this sends a bad msg to people, mainly do something bad (white collar crime) and you can think of the penalties as empty threats. What do u think?

He was railroaded into confessing he did it. The evidance is not there if you don't believe me watch the "Behind the glory" on him. It lays it all out.

not true. you should do some research before you post this. the evidence is overwhelming. try reading it sometime. it's called the Dowd Report.

 

[Topher]

Originally posted by: kranky

In fact, it was NEVER PROVEN in a court of law that he gambled on baseball. (Then again, OJ was never convicted in a court of law). Essentially, MLB does not need the same level of evidence as a criminal court of law.

What does it matter that Pete wasn't tried and convicted in court? It wasn't a criminal case. Pete broke the MLB rules.

There are other rules that have been broken, even by some Hall of Famers. I will agree that breaking the rules should mean a ban (whether temporary or permanent) from the game, but the Hall of Fame is for outstanding career accomplishments. In the case of a player, this would be on-the-field accomplishements. (Let's face it, Pete wasn't that great of a manager). Thus, I believe he should be allowed into the Hall, not necessarily anything else (although I would like to see Pete back in MLB, but with restrictions etc.)

What baseball is trying to tell us, is that you can abuse illegal drugs, you can seven muggle drugs into the US while on a team trip, you can sharpen your cleats and attempt to injure anotherplayer during a game, (and the list goes on), but you can't gamble. I think I'll teach my kid a slightly different set of morals.

Oh, the "lowest common denominator" argument. Don't forget, Pete could gamble on anything but baseball. He knew the rules. The rule about gambling is posted in every MLB clubhouse and has been for decades. It's not some obscure "technicality". Gambling on baseball must be forbidden because of the risk that games could be fixed. That's why it cannot be tolerated one iota. You can't make a comparison between generic "gambling" and sharpening cleats. If Pete had been content to gamble on football and basketball, there wouldn't have been any problem.

Not the "lowest common denominator". You yourself said "Pete broke the MLB rules." He's not alone. Why is he singled out? To make an example of him. That's why. I agree that gambling on baseball games is a no-no, but not the only one. One Hall of Famer in particular who holds a very high position in professional baseball, is guilty of drug smuggling (WHILE ON A TEAM TRIP!!), but didn't butt heads with the establishment like Pete did, and thus, was never punished for his crimes. Lesson for the kids here, gambling is bad, criminal activity can be forgotten?

And it would be great if MLB dealt more severely with the other incidents you mentioned, but the Players' Association contract controls that.

That's a new can o' worms. I think you and I would find much more to agree on there. 😀

 

[Topher]

Seems that things are on track for a meeting with Bud. No guarantees, but I think a reinstatement with certain limitations, etc. will certainly help Bud's tarnished image. Let's face it, the game has gone downhill since he took over the position of commissioner.

 

[cavemanmoron]

let him back in, My opinion,

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Ornery
BFD! You can murder people in this country and get away with it! :|

but only if you're rich and famous

Being black doesn't hurt either

Actually I think it does. Statistics shows that black offenders in violent crimes are likelier to be convicted than whites, and tend to serve harsher sentences, especially where the death penalty is involved. I don't think the OJ Simpson case is illustrative of how race relations tend to play out in the courtroom - he was the most famous, most beloved black man in America in the height of his fame.

firstly oj's fame peaked when he was a football player, not when he was a mediocre sideline reporter for NBC. furthermore the system doesnt favor whites, it favors the rich, it just so happens that whites have more wealth. it is interesting though how you choose to interpret basic statistics