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this is wrong!
there was no reason to make sure their child has a handicap. if it happened, it happened, but forcing it was wrong.
this is wrong!
there was no reason to make sure their child has a handicap. if it happened, it happened, but forcing it was wrong.
azazyel
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Well, I am just saying that any deaf couple knows there is a strong chance that their child will be born deaf or become deaf latter in life. So they all are intentionally exposing their future child to the possibility of having this disability. So just because these women look at being deaf as something special doesn't really matter in the long run. The child still has the same chance at not being deaf as a child conceived the "normal" way.
<< Well, I am just saying that any deaf couple knows there is a strong chance that their child will be born deaf or become deaf latter in life. So they all are intentionally exposing their future child to the possibility of having this disability. So just because these women look at being deaf as something special doesn't really matter in the long run. The child still has the same chance at not being deaf as a child conceived the "normal" way. >>
Did you even read the original post?
They went out of their way, FAR out of their way, to find a deaf sperm donor. In otherwords making the odds as favorable (as if being deaf is favorable) as possible.
This isn't the risk of natural conception, this is malice.
Viper GTS
This whole "Deaf Culture" business is militant disability at its worst. I had a run-in with some of these pukes a while ago. They do understand the middle finger quite well though. Just read some of this junk they are spouting.
The "pathological" view of Deaf people has also been called the Clinical-Pathological view or the Medical Model. Essentially this view accepts the behaviors and values of people who can hear as "standard" or "the norm" and then focuses on how Deaf people deviate from that norm. This is the perspective that has been traditionally held by a majority of non-deaf professionals who interact with the Deaf Community only on a professional basis. In a sense, this is the "outsider's" view - a view that focuses on how Deaf people are different from non-deaf people and a view that generally perceives those differences negatively. It is also a view that deaf people have something wrong with them, something that can and must be "fixed."
It should be fairly easy to see that this view, the "pathological" one, results in paternalistic and oppressive behaviors and attitudes towards Deaf people. Recently this way of dealing with Deaf people, of treating them as incapable of self-determination, has been called "audism" to emphasize the fact that this view shares much with other paternalistic perspectives such as racism, sexism, and anti-semitism.
Link To Freaks
The "pathological" view of Deaf people has also been called the Clinical-Pathological view or the Medical Model. Essentially this view accepts the behaviors and values of people who can hear as "standard" or "the norm" and then focuses on how Deaf people deviate from that norm. This is the perspective that has been traditionally held by a majority of non-deaf professionals who interact with the Deaf Community only on a professional basis. In a sense, this is the "outsider's" view - a view that focuses on how Deaf people are different from non-deaf people and a view that generally perceives those differences negatively. It is also a view that deaf people have something wrong with them, something that can and must be "fixed."
It should be fairly easy to see that this view, the "pathological" one, results in paternalistic and oppressive behaviors and attitudes towards Deaf people. Recently this way of dealing with Deaf people, of treating them as incapable of self-determination, has been called "audism" to emphasize the fact that this view shares much with other paternalistic perspectives such as racism, sexism, and anti-semitism.
Link To Freaks
azazyel
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<< Instead they turned to a deaf male friend for help >>
Not that far away. I am not trying to say what these people did is a good thing but they are not evil. My college roommate's parents were both deaf and while he isn't (yet, there is a good chance he will loose his hearing) his sister is. From everyone's point of view here you would think that these people were cursed and their parents are evil because they inflicted this on their children. Well their not! And while it might not be the same scenario there are similar aspects involved. His parents knew there was a large risk that their children would be deaf and yet they still had them. They could have adopted a child, they could have received donor sperm of a nondeaf person to lessen the chance. Bottom line they had other options as did these women but they chose to risk it. They decided that they would bring a child into this world and love it. Yes these women feel that being deaf is a gift and while we may not be able to understand that all they want is to share that gift with their child.
azazyel
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<< This whole "Deaf Culture" business is militant disability at its worst. I had a run-in with some of these pukes a while ago. They do understand the middle finger quite well though. Just read some of this junk they are spouting. >>
Well, at least you aren't feeling sorry for them but to call them "pukes" for expressing their views about being discriminated against is a little much.
AreaCode707
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<< Bottom line they had other options as did these women but they chose to risk it. >>
The difference is, these women didn't see it as a risk and they did everything they could to increase the possibility of having a deaf child. It's unfair to the child to attempt to give it a disability. Having a deaf child is no crime, but to take a child and intentionally cause it to be deaf seems criminal to me. It's the intent of making the child deaf, not the fact of the child being deaf, that's disturbing in this scenario.
Amused
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They wanted to pass on their own genes, and picked the man with what they thought had ideal the ideal genes to do that with.
It's the same thing all of us do, except this time their genes had a trait we don't consider normal.
Bottom line, you can't regulate this.
It's the same thing all of us do, except this time their genes had a trait we don't consider normal.
Bottom line, you can't regulate this.
I'm going to try to have children that are quadriplegic because I think it should be an "identity" instead of a medical condition...
Or how about a cancer gene because having a malignant lump of cells in your body should be an "identity" as well...
WTH are these people thinking???
Or how about a cancer gene because having a malignant lump of cells in your body should be an "identity" as well...
WTH are these people thinking???
Don Vito Corleone
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As near as I can see, this ridiculously selfish act had zero to do with these women being gay, and everything to do with them being stupid and vain. (I am NOT responding to Skoorb's tongue-in-cheek comment, BTW.)
wouldn't it be easier to have a kid and then surgically remove his hearing bones? except this method ensures deafness. or better yet, severing the auditory nerve from the ear. that really ensures deafness
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<< As near as I can see, this ridiculously selfish act had zero to do with these women being gay, and everything to do with them being stupid and vain. (I am NOT responding to Skoorb's tongue-in-cheek comment, BTW.) >>
Well said sir!
<< I think we should ban sperm donations. If the lesbians want children then they can go straight! >>
roger that, they should be able to have kids. It seems like they wouldn't want it because homosexual nature would prohibit offspring.
-bob
the deaf community needs to be bitchslapped. They've gotten too fanatical. They have their own little community and culture where they have convinced themselves that hearing is irrelevant. Many wouldn't choose to hear if offered. They are scared that "fixing" their impairment will destroy their community and culture. so many are against impants and research to advance cures for deafness
its sad, they'll try their hardest to convince parents with deaf children that its best to leave them completely deaf. It maybe mean but they need to learn that they are indeed missing an important ability, they are missing out on much the world has to offer. and to deny their children a cure or chance is criminal and unethical. someone needs to bitchslap these fundamentalist people.
its sad, they'll try their hardest to convince parents with deaf children that its best to leave them completely deaf. It maybe mean but they need to learn that they are indeed missing an important ability, they are missing out on much the world has to offer. and to deny their children a cure or chance is criminal and unethical. someone needs to bitchslap these fundamentalist people.
flavio
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<< They wanted to pass on their own genes, and picked the man with what they thought had ideal the ideal genes to do that with.
It's the same thing all of us do, except this time their genes had a trait we don't consider normal.
Bottom line, you can't regulate this. >>
Geez, there's a point there.
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