WTF is wrong with people? Student's throat cut at Southern Nash High

[AreaCode707]

How is that being a terrible parent? He WANTED to but he DIDN'T. Why? Because of fear of the outcome of his actions. Something kids these days are missing. It's that "omg you didn't" attitude that has us where we are now. Grow some balls. Everyone has immoral thoughts of some sort. You have to fear something to not do them. Very few just don't because "it's not right".

What would your parents have done if you'd spit in their face? I doubt they'd have patted you on the back and said "bad dog".

Kids need a wake up call. They DO NOT have it bad, but they want to act like they do.

I think we have a fundamental difference of opinion here. In my opinion, you avoid giving your kids black eyes even when you're justifiably rage-filled at them, because you love your child and do not wish them physical harm in any situation, not because you fear the consequences of hurting them. Honestly, I think anyone who refrains from abusing their kids simply out of fear of consequences IS a bad parent, even though the kid goes un-abused physically.

And yeah, I think a LOT of people refrain from acting on their bad thoughts simply because it's not right. I would even venture to say the majority of people pick their actions based on their personal views of right and wrong, rather than fear of consequences.

(Note that I think Texashiker may simply have been speaking hyperbolically and not picking his words all that carefully since this is just ATOT after all, so I'm moving the conversation into the realm of the conceptual, not accusing him of being a bad parent.)

 

[NFS4]

How is that being a terrible parent? He WANTED to but he DIDN'T. Why? Because of fear of the outcome of his actions. Something kids these days are missing. It's that "omg you didn't" attitude that has us where we are now. Grow some balls. Everyone has immoral thoughts of some sort. You have to fear something to not do them. Very few just don't because "it's not right".

What would your parents have done if you'd spit in their face? I doubt they'd have patted you on the back and said "bad dog".

Kids need a wake up call. They DO NOT have it bad, but they want to act like they do.

My dad probably would have knocked me the fuck out if I spit in his face. But I have common sense and respect and would never do such a thing in the first place.

And my dad isn't a violent person at all; he does have a temper though.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I think we have a fundamental difference of opinion here.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, it's just that thinking it and doing it are two different things. Rage affects people differently at different levels. There have been plenty of bad things happen due to "love" as well. Suppose he had went so far as even pulled back to punch? It doesn't make him bad, it makes him human. (And yes, I agree, he never had any intention of doing any of that). If only love stops you, then what is there to stop you from doing something to someone you don't like or don't even know?

I was trying to make a point that kids don't fear reprimand. Many of the worlds problems can be wrapped up simply due to "I won't get caught and if I do, it won't be much" mentality.

 

[AreaCode707]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, it's just that thinking it and doing it are two different things. Rage affects people differently at different levels. There have been plenty of bad things happen due to "love" as well. Suppose he had went so far as even pulled back to punch? It doesn't make him bad, it makes him human. (And yes, I agree, he never had any intention of doing any of that). If only love stops you, then what is there to stop you from doing something to someone you don't like or don't even know?

I was trying to make a point that kids don't fear reprimand. Many of the worlds problems can be wrapped up simply due to "I won't get caught and if I do, it won't be much" mentality.

We're circling around several different topics, some of which we agree on (kids need consequences so they learn to think before acting, love cannot be the only motivator to prevent people from doing bad things, etc.) so I don't think we need to hash them out.

I still think there's a difference between a parent who refrains from hurting their child in a rage because they love their child and one who refrains from hurting their child in a rage because they're afraid of getting caught. The latter parent is displaying the lack of something that I think is very essential to healthy parenting.

I also still think there's a difference between a person who refrains from hurting strangers because they believe it's wrong and one who refrains from hurting strangers because they're afraid of being caught.

I never suggested love should be the only reason one refrains from hurting others, only that love should be one of the reasons you refrain from hurting your children and that being willing to give your child a black eye if you didn't have to fear assault charges indicates that you lack as a parent in other ways because you lack that love.

 

[Jodell88]

Discipline is a double edged sword.

If you discipline your child the wrong way, child protection services is called, some type of criminal charges are filed against the parents, child taken away and put into foster care, parents have a hire an attorney, go before a judge, have a hearing, take some kind of parenting class or anger management class,,,,.

If you do not discipline your child, then people complain your not disciplining them enough.

~ EDIT ~

Back in October my 15 year old daughter spit in my face. I felt like giving her a black eye, but if I did, my ex-wife would have filed assault charges on me. I was going to be wrong regardless of what I did.

How is a parent supposed to act like a parent when we are put into lose-lose situations?

As for the 16 year old girl in the OP, lets look at the home and the environment she was raised in before we are too harsh.

 

[wheresmybacon]

Day by day, I'm thinking the Mayans may be on to something. It's been a good run guys.

 

[dingster1]

Nobody tells me how I'm going to discipline my child. PERIOD!!!

 

[adlep]

Nobody tells me how I'm going to discipline my child. PERIOD!!!

Except that little pesky thing you may have heard of called THE LAW

 

[FelixDeCat]

Moral decline in society is what you get for taking God out of schools. :thumbsdown:

 

[Jodell88]

Moral decline in society is what you get for taking God out of schools. :thumbsdown:

It has more to it than that. In my country, shit has hit the fan after the abolishment of corporal punishment in schools. Children do not fear punishment anymore IMO.

 

[NFS4]

It has more to it than that. In my country, shit has hit the fan after the abolishment of corporal punishment in schools. Children do not fear punishment anymore IMO.

We got paddled in elementary school, and that was in the 80s. Parent encouraged it.

Now parents are pussies.

 

[Pheran]

Moral decline in society is what you get for taking God out of schools. :thumbsdown:

/facepalm