Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there's doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university,
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.
And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there's doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university,
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.
And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
- Jul 3, 2003
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My house is about 15' away from my neighbor's house. Land is at a premium in SoCal and builders like to cram as many homes in an area to maximize profits.
Because land is expensive now.
Would you rather pay 400k for a new house that is 8 feet apart from the next one or 800k for the same house that is 20 feet apart?
Would you rather pay 400k for a new house that is 8 feet apart from the next one or 800k for the same house that is 20 feet apart?
Sadly, the tree issue is more out of necessity, than the developer just wanting the expense of cutting them down.
As a general rule, people dislike houses and neighborhoods that continually flood when it rains. Storm water run-off is also highly regulated by most states as well as the federal government. Most undeveloped land needs so much dirtwork work to accomplish the proper runoff that without removal of the trees, most would die anyway and the cost of removal would fall on the homeowner.
Most trees will die if the soil around them is disturbed a major amount. Dirt piled up around the trunk will kill them. Dirt scraped off of the root system will kill them, and dirt that is compacted around the root system will generally cause trees to die.
As a general rule, people dislike houses and neighborhoods that continually flood when it rains. Storm water run-off is also highly regulated by most states as well as the federal government. Most undeveloped land needs so much dirtwork work to accomplish the proper runoff that without removal of the trees, most would die anyway and the cost of removal would fall on the homeowner.
Most trees will die if the soil around them is disturbed a major amount. Dirt piled up around the trunk will kill them. Dirt scraped off of the root system will kill them, and dirt that is compacted around the root system will generally cause trees to die.
What?
It's very easy to design drainage for huge amounts of land. It's not like we've been doing it for 6000 years or anything. This is what the water/sewer company is in charge of.
Undeveloped land has already formed natural drainage/passage ways. I'm no tree hugger, but I also simply will never buy land that doesn't have trees. They're the best noise barrier there is. Also my land has some 20 trees and my lot backs up to a major creek, the trees are doing very well. So well that their fighting each other.
SearchMaster
Diamond Member
- Jun 6, 2002
- 7,792
- 114
- 106
I hate those neighborhoods and would never live there. My house now sits on 1.5+ acres, plus it's on Lake Lanier. So with the Army Corps property behind me leading up to the water (or now, mud), it's really more like 5 acres of woodland. I can currently only see one house from my house and she's across the street. The lot next to me just got sold so soon it will be two houses I can see.
<-- hugs my lot
<-- hugs my lot
It's beautiful up there, but the issue of this thread is mostly with more urban environments I believe. An acre of land in Atlanta, or even most suburbs, will run you anywhere from ~$100k to probably a million or more closer to the city. An acre of good land in Alpharetta, for example, is easily $100-200k.
I have a wooded 0.5 acre in Alpharetta, and while I'd love to have more land there's just no way I could live so far from the city. It still takes an hour or more to get anywhere.
The difference between 8 and 20 feet is negligible. I wouldn't pay any premium at all for the extra few feet. I also wouldn't pay a premium for these barren acre lots that they seem to advertise so frequently. To me, the point of having land is so that you have some sense of privacy, but if I can look out of my house and see all of my neighbors I don't care if it's 2 feet or 2 acres.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Originally posted by: Fritzo
We have 2/3 acre lots...I'd have a hard time throwing a baseball and hitting my neighbor's houseI think that is more common on the coasts than in the mid-west.
You could drive a golf ball here. In fact, I've found golf balls that my sons have hit, and not even our house is in view.
PingSpike
Lifer
- Feb 25, 2004
- 21,732
- 561
- 126
Not in VT that I can see...the older neighborhoods are the only ones that approach that close. The newer developments are fairly tight for my tastes, but no where near as bad as the OP's pic. My town has some law on development that all lots must be at least 5 acres...my lot is one of the smaller ones at 4.15 and was grandfathered in. Its an annoying law if you're developing, but it *does* keep the country feel.
alkemyst
No Lifer
- Feb 13, 2001
- 83,967
- 19
- 81
QFT, BTW OP, welcome to the last decade or more.
One side of each house will usually have no windows or glassblock and be at the minimum setback. The other side will have a bit of side yard and regular windows.
This is one of the reasons I bought an older home in my area.
alkemyst
No Lifer
- Feb 13, 2001
- 83,967
- 19
- 81
Most landscape is fast growing that builders use. Most trees that are over 20 years old would be considered overgrown for the lot sizes used.
In large lot communities often the natural landscape is salvaged as much as possible (adding to cost to build).
yeah, i find it completely unacceptable. I wish towns would start implementing a 25' rule (at a bare minimum). You alleviate SO MANY problems just by spacing people out a little.
Hurray for suburbia!
You know, I think people are just too obsessed with floor space - they place such a huge premium on having a ton of space in the house that everything else else - lot sizes, trees, location, build quality etc takes a huge backseat. This is why you end up with horrible places like Markham (pic above), which are pretty common everywhere these days.
You know, I think people are just too obsessed with floor space - they place such a huge premium on having a ton of space in the house that everything else else - lot sizes, trees, location, build quality etc takes a huge backseat. This is why you end up with horrible places like Markham (pic above), which are pretty common everywhere these days.
Think of it this way - higher population density....we always talk about how sick suburbia has become and how it has separated people from each other...well this is a way to turn it around. And in all honesty - how much more "space" does one get who lives in the city? Probably even less since most often the same building is shared.
Anyways its really common in California...its actually the standard.
Anyways its really common in California...its actually the standard.
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