WTF is up with Turkey?

[alchemize]

Reports that they have troops entering Iraq.

"We will not support you in this war, you cannot use our land or air (unless you pay us enough). But oh...for our security we are going to invade just a smidgen of the north. Don't mind us carry on".

As hypocritical as the French.

 

[kermalou]

Turkey just needs some gravy and cranberries

 

[Fausto]

Might just be using the hostilities as an excuse to go whip on the Kurds. They have been known to do this.

 

[VBboy]

Originally posted by: kermalou
Turkey just needs some gravy and cranberries

It needs some good stuffing, so maybe someone could put a fist up its a*s

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, not at all. It would have been incredible if they did not do this. I remind you that the Kurds are more of a threat to Turkey than Saddam was ever to us. You wouldn't expect them to be sitting ducks in that context. This is a natural consequence of this war. Completely understood and expected.

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Reports that they have troops entering Iraq.

"We will not support you in this war, you cannot use our land or air (unless you pay us enough). But oh...for our security we are going to invade just a smidgen of the north. Don't mind us carry on".

As hypocritical as the French.

You obviously no nothing about the relationship between the Kurds and the Turks.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: kermalou
Turkey just needs some gravy and cranberries

Two words: S T O V E - T O P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Freejack2]

Let me put it this way. We had to throw the turkey out. It was expensive, and didn't taste good. So it sat in the fridge until it was past the expiration date.
Finally we threw it out.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
No, not at all. It would have been incredible if they did not do this. I remind you that the Kurds are more of a threat to Turkey than Saddam was ever to us. You wouldn't expect them to be sitting ducks in that context. This is a natural consequence of this war. Completely understood and expected.

So they use the war as an excuse to settle their civil problems at the same time? Expected, but not understood.

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: kermalou
Turkey just needs some gravy and cranberries

hahaha. We don't need their airspace.

 

[zsouthboy]

Originally posted by: Freejack2
Let me put it this way. We had to throw the turkey out. It was expensive, and didn't taste good. So it sat in the fridge until it was past the expiration date.
Finally we threw it out.

nooooooooo! i left my uh....... er........ never mind

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: alchemize
Reports that they have troops entering Iraq.

"We will not support you in this war, you cannot use our land or air (unless you pay us enough). But oh...for our security we are going to invade just a smidgen of the north. Don't mind us carry on".

As hypocritical as the French.

You obviously no nothing about the relationship between the Kurds and the Turks.

I understand they don't get along real well, and that Turkey has been pretty heavy-handed against them.

But if you are going to reply, then why don't you educate us chirping bird?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: alchemize
Reports that they have troops entering Iraq.

"We will not support you in this war, you cannot use our land or air (unless you pay us enough). But oh...for our security we are going to invade just a smidgen of the north. Don't mind us carry on".

As hypocritical as the French.

You obviously no nothing about the relationship between the Kurds and the Turks.

I understand they don't get along real well, and that Turkey has been pretty heavy-handed against them.

But if you are going to reply, then why don't you educate us chirping bird?

This "domestic problem" is on the magnitude of the Civil War in relationship to us. This is a consequence of war. With the war, the power which held Iraq together dissipates. Saddam was the glue that held Iraq together. Now with that power disappearing, the factions within Iraq may decide to realign. The Kurds in Iraq want to rejoin with those in Turkey. That means secession of part of Turkey to form an new Kurdistan, let's say. Turkey is not going to allow this any more than Lincoln was going to let the South go on their own. It is a good chance of a sub-war in the north between the Turks and the Kurds.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Might just be using the hostilities as an excuse to go whip on the Kurds. They have been known to do this.

that is what i think
they will head south until they see the US troops , then they will stop

 

[exp]

An independent Kurdistan in possession of Iraq's northern oil fields is a nightmare scenario for Turkey. Obviously they are going to do everything in their power to stop that.

Pity they didn't give the U.S. permission to base ground troops in Turkey. Then this situation could very likely have been avoided. Oh well.

 

[Nitemare]

We might actually let kurds surrender to us instead of just mowing them down like Turkey is going to be doing.

 

[Milkman95]

Originally posted by: exp
An independent Kurdistan in possession of Iraq's northern oil fields is a nightmare scenario for Turkey. Obviously they are going to do everything in their power to stop that.

Pity they didn't give the U.S. permission to base ground troops in Turkey. Then this situation could very likely have been avoided. Oh well.

Why do you think they didn't let us put troops there?

 

[SuperTool]

Let's just say Iraqi Kurds + Kirkuk Oil money = potential problems for Turkey.
It's called preemptive action.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: alchemize
Reports that they have troops entering Iraq.

"We will not support you in this war, you cannot use our land or air (unless you pay us enough). But oh...for our security we are going to invade just a smidgen of the north. Don't mind us carry on".

As hypocritical as the French.

You obviously no nothing about the relationship between the Kurds and the Turks.

I understand they don't get along real well, and that Turkey has been pretty heavy-handed against them.

But if you are going to reply, then why don't you educate us chirping bird?

This "domestic problem" is on the magnitude of the Civil War in relationship to us. This is a consequence of war. With the war, the power which held Iraq together dissipates. Saddam was the glue that held Iraq together. Now with that power disappearing, the factions within Iraq may decide to realign. The Kurds in Iraq want to rejoin with those in Turkey. That means secession of part of Turkey to form an new Kurdistan, let's say. Turkey is not going to allow this any more than Lincoln was going to let the South go on their own. It is a good chance of a sub-war in the north between the Turks and the Kurds.

Interesting & informative. Thanks.

 

[kermalou]

the Turks are like gypsies(no offense to gypsies). they are the single most hated people in the middle east the acts of barbarism and torture they practice is unheard of, second only to Hitler and Stalin.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: alchemize
Reports that they have troops entering Iraq.

"We will not support you in this war, you cannot use our land or air (unless you pay us enough). But oh...for our security we are going to invade just a smidgen of the north. Don't mind us carry on".

As hypocritical as the French.

You obviously no nothing about the relationship between the Kurds and the Turks.

I understand they don't get along real well, and that Turkey has been pretty heavy-handed against them.

But if you are going to reply, then why don't you educate us chirping bird?

This "domestic problem" is on the magnitude of the Civil War in relationship to us. This is a consequence of war. With the war, the power which held Iraq together dissipates. Saddam was the glue that held Iraq together. Now with that power disappearing, the factions within Iraq may decide to realign. The Kurds in Iraq want to rejoin with those in Turkey. That means secession of part of Turkey to form an new Kurdistan, let's say. Turkey is not going to allow this any more than Lincoln was going to let the South go on their own. It is a good chance of a sub-war in the north between the Turks and the Kurds.

Better post than the first one But didn't the Kurds of the north basically already have autonomy?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Might just be using the hostilities as an excuse to go whip on the Kurds. They have been known to do this.

that is what i think
they will head south until they see the US troops , then they will stop

Welcome to the Occupation. We will have to stand between the Turks and the Kurds. That wont prevent the likely increase terrorism in Turkey though. I have heard there are no mailboxes in Turkey because of the fear of terrorism. Turkey could make a claim based on US precident for a premptive strike against the Kurds within their borders based on terrorism claims. The US would not invade Turkey, and it could hardly afford not too.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: alchemize
Reports that they have troops entering Iraq.

"We will not support you in this war, you cannot use our land or air (unless you pay us enough). But oh...for our security we are going to invade just a smidgen of the north. Don't mind us carry on".

As hypocritical as the French.

You obviously no nothing about the relationship between the Kurds and the Turks.

I understand they don't get along real well, and that Turkey has been pretty heavy-handed against them.

But if you are going to reply, then why don't you educate us chirping bird?

This "domestic problem" is on the magnitude of the Civil War in relationship to us. This is a consequence of war. With the war, the power which held Iraq together dissipates. Saddam was the glue that held Iraq together. Now with that power disappearing, the factions within Iraq may decide to realign. The Kurds in Iraq want to rejoin with those in Turkey. That means secession of part of Turkey to form an new Kurdistan, let's say. Turkey is not going to allow this any more than Lincoln was going to let the South go on their own. It is a good chance of a sub-war in the north between the Turks and the Kurds.

Better post than the first one But didn't the Kurds of the north basically already have autonomy?

They had de facto autonomy because of the no-fly zone. They did not dare declare independence from Iraq, because Saddam might attack anyway. Now Saddam is not a threat, and a bolder move to reunite with their families and become truly independent is a definite possibility. This does not mean Kurds leave Turkey. They would take a slice of it along with Iraq. BTW there is a similar situation between Iran and some factions in Iraq. Iraq could be carved up like um, a Turkey, if you will. The US would try to keep this from happening. It has been the contention that a free Iraq must be an intact one. Hard to create a government to represent the people if most of the people do not want it. This is not a matter of resentment towards Saddam. There is no coherency, no sense of country in Iraq, with the possible exception of the Baghdad region. Most there would pledge allegence to their own ethnic and social groups. Could see a scenario similar to the Bosnians and Serbs, or the catastrophe that occured in Rwanda. Of course the US would have to oppose that, being smack in the middle of it.

This is why I have said that the war is easy, it is the peace that will be hard.

 

[mk52]

The reason turkey didnt allow the stationing of US troops is because over 80% of the people are against this war.

But since our country is lead by a corrupted pussy government (especially after the last elections) chances are high that we still might bend over and let the US in.

*edit: sp

 

[ElFenix]

turkey annexing part of iraq really wouldn't bother me much