yeah, all you stupid kids who buy papers and junk tick me off, I will never have a chance to interface with teachers or educators of the level you guys can, because I can't go to college, and kids like that, throw away (basically) thier huge chance, to learn alot and start to fix this stupid planet up.
You guys are a little harsh. How about someone like me who only has to sit infront of a keyboared and some other thing or entity takes posession of me and does all my writting automatically. I mean, after all, it's me that's writting but I haven't the faintest idea what I'm saying till I reread it and even then, I may not understand half of what I said, especially historical. eyewitness accounts of stuff that happened hundreds of years ago which you would think by all rights, I wouldn't know anything about, but must have seen somewhere. I usually sign with a different name which is real anoying cause I often have to change the last page as a result.
HomeBrewerDude
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Yeah the funny thing about htat post was that that kid was too lazy to find to even run his own search, too cheap to pay for one of the sites he already knew of. What a joke...an attitude like that will get you nowhere.
I do write my own papers. The fact that a small fraction of students do not, does not bother me. Why? Because rather than worry about the academics of others, I choose to worry about my own. Its worked fairly well, up to now.
And for all the preachers in this thread, I'm assuming you have never copied someone's math/physics homework.
I feel that this thread does not accomplish anything. All it does is provide a place for some disgruntled college students, who have never cheated on anything in their relatively short lives, to rant about some silly problem. A problem that will not be remedied by the ramblings in this thread by the afforementioned because although these honest, non-cheating college students are preaching, they do not realize that they have chosen an inappropriate forum to do so and their futile arguments are falling on deaf ears.
loogie thinks there are too many preachers on these forums
And for all the preachers in this thread, I'm assuming you have never copied someone's math/physics homework.
I feel that this thread does not accomplish anything. All it does is provide a place for some disgruntled college students, who have never cheated on anything in their relatively short lives, to rant about some silly problem. A problem that will not be remedied by the ramblings in this thread by the afforementioned because although these honest, non-cheating college students are preaching, they do not realize that they have chosen an inappropriate forum to do so and their futile arguments are falling on deaf ears.
loogie thinks there are too many preachers on these forums
The fact that a small fraction of students do not, does not bother me. Why? Because rather than worry about the academics of others, I choose to worry about my own.
Guess what? Other students cheating affects you too...or do you not have professors who feel the need to lecture after every paper turned in about students copying or the evils of the internet in making papers available to students to copy? It's never fun being in a lecture and being threatened with academic removal from college. Or have professors be suspicious of your work because they feel you could not have possibly done it on your own even if you have? Not to mention that copied papers that *aren't* caught but are good can affect curves...
And for all the preachers in this thread, I'm assuming you have never copied someone's math/physics homework.
Sure I have...and that's why I basically flunked out of CS. Granted, I'm much happier as a history major now, but that doesn't change why I sucked and couldn't succeed in my old major. I can't possibly fake calc right now and in a sense, I sort of regret not having learned it properly, but at least I know the material in my major inside out and backwards, thanks to having worked with it by myself.
Hopefully, a thread like this can/will wake up people who DO think it's okay to plagiarize so they realize the importance of doing their own work...Touchy subject with people who've learned that it's faster and you get better grades if you just write the d@mn paper on your own and with people who work their @sses off and hate watching other people try to get a free ride through...
~Ladi
Guess what? Other students cheating affects you too...or do you not have professors who feel the need to lecture after every paper turned in about students copying or the evils of the internet in making papers available to students to copy? It's never fun being in a lecture and being threatened with academic removal from college. Or have professors be suspicious of your work because they feel you could not have possibly done it on your own even if you have? Not to mention that copied papers that *aren't* caught but are good can affect curves...
And for all the preachers in this thread, I'm assuming you have never copied someone's math/physics homework.
Sure I have...and that's why I basically flunked out of CS. Granted, I'm much happier as a history major now, but that doesn't change why I sucked and couldn't succeed in my old major. I can't possibly fake calc right now and in a sense, I sort of regret not having learned it properly, but at least I know the material in my major inside out and backwards, thanks to having worked with it by myself.
Hopefully, a thread like this can/will wake up people who DO think it's okay to plagiarize so they realize the importance of doing their own work...Touchy subject with people who've learned that it's faster and you get better grades if you just write the d@mn paper on your own and with people who work their @sses off and hate watching other people try to get a free ride through...
~Ladi
All of the people who don't do thier own work will pay the price after they get out of school and into real life when they are required to put a presentation together. Most occupations today require some sort of writing skills.
What are they going to tell thier boss..."Sorry, I didn't do my own work at school, I can't do what you have asked of me."
What goes around comes around. These people will reap the benefits of thier labor, or should I say non-labor.
What are they going to tell thier boss..."Sorry, I didn't do my own work at school, I can't do what you have asked of me."
What goes around comes around. These people will reap the benefits of thier labor, or should I say non-labor.
Azraele
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Amen to that Adul.
I think a lot of the problem is lack of drive and motivation. It takes discipline and responisbility to sit down and grind through work you don't want to do. Writing is an invaluable tool. For example. I live in a small town with a small town newspaper. Now, the newspaper as a whole is very well done, but last week someone wrote an article for the newspaper and it was painfully obvious that they had slacked in the writing department. It was just sad to see and read.
I think a lot of the problem is lack of drive and motivation. It takes discipline and responisbility to sit down and grind through work you don't want to do. Writing is an invaluable tool. For example. I live in a small town with a small town newspaper. Now, the newspaper as a whole is very well done, but last week someone wrote an article for the newspaper and it was painfully obvious that they had slacked in the writing department. It was just sad to see and read.
Copying a problem or two because you didn't really understand it or whatever is fine - it happens.
Getting a whole term paper or report is wrong. It just shows that you are lazy, lack any sort of respect for the teacher and the class, and simply don't take responsibility for anything.
I am a huge procrastinator - but at least I do my own work. And if I don't get something done (which hardly ever happens) I own up to it.
Getting a whole term paper or report is wrong. It just shows that you are lazy, lack any sort of respect for the teacher and the class, and simply don't take responsibility for anything.
I am a huge procrastinator - but at least I do my own work. And if I don't get something done (which hardly ever happens) I own up to it.
My biggest pet peeve is people not reading their assigned books, slacking off in class, reading Cliff's Notes, writing the paper, and getting a better grade than I do. I have to say that I have read EVERY PAGE of EVERY BOOK assigned to me in school. I worked my butt off on English papers, yet someone who slacks off, and reads the Cliff's Notes gets a better grade than I do. GRRRRR!!! (Just ranting) BTW these are link essays for IB that I'm talking about.
Look at me starting a interesting topic. hell hath frozen over
This just reminded me of my brother's essay he just wrote. He did quite a good job on it too. The subject, why I should not do homework. Hehehe, leave it to him to do that.
This just reminded me of my brother's essay he just wrote. He did quite a good job on it too. The subject, why I should not do homework. Hehehe, leave it to him to do that.
Hey adul, "all your term papers are belong to us"
!o!
you said it man, life's easy road leads you nowhere.
!o!
you said it man, life's easy road leads you nowhere.
great point Adul,... one should get what they desrve, no more, no less...
it sucks, but usually i have the option to get "help" on some assignments too but usually i can't do it cause morals take over... i know i slack off sometimes, but i bite the bullet and just take the incomplete hw's and such...
it sucks, but usually i have the option to get "help" on some assignments too but usually i can't do it cause morals take over... i know i slack off sometimes, but i bite the bullet and just take the incomplete hw's and such...
Haha...that's so funny...I guess it must be a Liberal Arts thing...There are no "term papers" in Engineering...Liberal Arts people are funny.
Reading the other posts:
You know, a lot of people would say, "Do it yourself...don't accept any help." I'll tell you what: I'll do whatever I have to to make it to the top...No one's looking out for my best interests except me...you expect me to look out for everyone else's by being 'fair'? Social darwinism at it's purest.
You know, a lot of people would say, "Do it yourself...don't accept any help." I'll tell you what: I'll do whatever I have to to make it to the top...No one's looking out for my best interests except me...you expect me to look out for everyone else's by being 'fair'? Social darwinism at it's purest.
<< Haha...that's so funny...I guess it must be a Liberal Arts thing...There are no "term papers" in Engineering...Liberal Arts people are funny. >>
yes we're downright hilarious. but then in engineering its easier to get away with cheating, esp all the comp sci people because its a LOT harder to catch people copying code from each other, esp if the program ends up doing the same thing as everyone else.
here the engineers have to take an ethics course but most of them laugh it off. *sigh*
yes we're downright hilarious. but then in engineering its easier to get away with cheating, esp all the comp sci people because its a LOT harder to catch people copying code from each other, esp if the program ends up doing the same thing as everyone else.
here the engineers have to take an ethics course but most of them laugh it off. *sigh*
Listen, I don't have a problem with slacking off or procrastination, and even cheating is fine with me. I love to plagarize. I always write my own stuff, but I'm not creative at all, so I look on the web/Cliff Notes' whatever I can get my hands on to find one sentence that I think is worth talking about. Then I sit down and write the paper, using the idea. And guess what?!? I'm sure all of you have done this too. It is not harmful to anyone.
Heck, doing one of my very few moments of creativity - alright my mom gave me the idea, cause she was all fed up with me not doing my work, I wrote a paper on Procrastination and Laziness. You can read it here. This is one of the best papers I have ever written, and I posted it in a thread before. I just thought it was appropriate to post it again here.
As for plagarizing a whole paper, I have never done this before, but hopefully I won't get caught.
Heck, doing one of my very few moments of creativity - alright my mom gave me the idea, cause she was all fed up with me not doing my work, I wrote a paper on Procrastination and Laziness. You can read it here. This is one of the best papers I have ever written, and I posted it in a thread before. I just thought it was appropriate to post it again here.
As for plagarizing a whole paper, I have never done this before, but hopefully I won't get caught
.I am in the middle of a term paper right now for engineering. Engineering is all about selling your own ideas. If you plagarise/cheat it will eventually catch up with you. Ethics is a big deal in science and engineering. Much better to be original and conscience free.
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