WTF Apple?

[[DHT]Osiris]

The “hold your phone this way” was also like 10+ years ago. To be fair.

There's no defending Apple as long as this abomination exists.

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[MrSquished]

Am i missing something here or wtf is going on, since when can you not text android phones from an iphone?

Definitely missing something. Apple keeps certain features strictly walled off. The different colored bubbles seem harmless, but it's become a status symbol among teens. Also AFAIK putting an android number into a group text can still mess it up. Photos and videos are tiny low res things from iMessage to Android, vs something usable and higher res, due to Apple's walled garden. That really is a gripe among many. Also some other small features like delivery confirmation, read notifications and typing notifications are also walled in.

It's a major reason people won't switch actually. That and to a lesser extent, facetime. So yeah, you are missing a lot here.

Just like I can shit on Google for their leveraging their money for search engine exclusivity deals, Apple holding one of the top couple of ways we communicate in the US hostage is also terrible.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

8gb of ram

db servers

Nope, not even close.

 

[KMFJD]

Definitely missing something. Apple keeps certain features strictly walled off. The different colored bubbles seem harmless, but it's become a status symbol among teens. Also AFAIK putting an android number into a group text can still mess it up. Photos and videos are tiny low res things from iMessage to Android, vs something usable and higher res, due to Apple's walled garden. That really is a gripe among many. Also some other small features like delivery confirmation, read notifications and typing notifications are also walled in.

It's a major reason people won't switch actually. That and to a lesser extent, facetime. So yeah, you are missing a lot here.

Just like I can shit on Google for their leveraging their money for search engine exclusivity deals, Apple holding one of the top couple of ways we communicate in the US hostage is also terrible.

TBQH i've never used facetime, never used whatsapp (due to facebook) and only do normal text messanging...did not know the rest other than the colored bubble thing

 

[MrSquished]

TBQH i've never used facetime, never used whatsapp (due to facebook) and only do normal text messanging...did not know the rest other than the colored bubble thing

Definitely plenty of users like you, which is all good, but yeah, they do a lot of shit with iMessage. It's one of the bigger barriers facing folks that want to switch. Facetime is big with some families and among the kids too. Definitely not the whole user base but it's also a meaninful feature for a core group. But not nearly as big as the iMessage walled garden.

The EU is looking at this though as a potential next thing to put Apple in line with fair consumer treatment.

 

[purbeast0]

You can certainly upgrade RAM in many cases when you find out you need more, but many laptops are soldering in the RAM, or the ability to self-upgrade is limited by substantial disassembly requirements, so people may not fully understand their RAM requirements until it is too late.

I mean you can get a macbook pro with 16gb of ram if you want. The way people are talking about it in this thread is as if 8gb is all they offer. They are talking like options are a bad thing.

 

[purbeast0]

Nope, not even close.

LMAO this made me look at my system prefs again and you are correct - I have TWO 8gb sticks of ram in here. I thought it was just one lol. My newer MBP that is like 2021 I think which is my work computer I think has 32gb of ram.

So ... yeah. I can't comment on 8gb of ram in a macbook pro lol.

Muh bad.

 

[manly]

Yes, that's what I meant. The controller on the SOC didn't support it, and they didn't want to roll in support by changing it out for the 15/15 Plus. My brain was not working at that hour.

To be fair, the iPhone 15 uses last year's flagship A16 Bionic. So it's fair for them not to go back and add functionality to an existing SoC. The "Pro" moniker means little in the Apple ecosystem besides it has more features and costs extra.

You can certainly upgrade RAM in many cases when you find out you need more, but many laptops are soldering in the RAM, or the ability to self-upgrade is limited by substantial disassembly requirements, so people may not fully understand their RAM requirements until it is too late.

Apple has done soldered RAM AND flash storage for years already, starting with MacBook Airs where it at least made engineering sense to do it that way. Apple Macs are basically disposable devices after a few years, which is great if you're an AAPL shareholder.

Samsung was the first Android OEM to move to a 5 year software update model (back in 2021). Google has finally responded by stretching this all the way to 7 years, so I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung adds another year (the limiting factor has always been Qualcomm). While I love to see anything that encourages people to use devices for longer (and discouraging e-waste), I can't argue with 5 years.

Nope, not even close.

Yeah the idea of running Xcode on just 8GB RAM makes the sound of fingernails running across a chalkboard in my head.

 

[WelshBloke]

Honestly, outside of a few use cases, most Mac users are fine with 8GB of RAM. We've helped deploy many thousands of Macs and the vast majority of people have no issues with 8GB.

£1700 is a lot to spend on a laptop if your workload doesn't need more than 8gb ram.

 

[Pohemi]

There's no defending Apple as long as this abomination exists.

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Don't forget your fancy wheels now! lol

Yeah...ridiculous. Products for people with more money than sense, IMHO (not all Apple products, but these accessories are goofy).

 

[MrSquished]

And while the colored bubble thing may not seem like much, It's working very well with the younger demographic. Literally kids are made fun of if they have the specifically designed inferior bubble color of Android. It's basically praying on the worst part of the human instinct by signifying an inferiority, which only exists because Apple makes it so.

So while to me is an adult I never really thought much of it, after reading some articles about it and seeing people post about it online, the color bubble thing really works for quite a bit of the younger age demographic. The Android colored bubble is a stigma to them, and some kids take it pretty far. There should be nothing encouraging bullying because Apple wants to leverage its power for highly anti-competitive things in the completely worst way.

When social media companies turn a blind eye to the mental health of young kids with their product they get chastised as they should. Not sure why Apple should get a pass.

 

[Exterous]

but of course as an apple fanboy you can't admit a damn thing about apple, stuff which is pretty common knowledge these days. I mean Google sucks in many ways. But from your statement above you just can't acknowledge damn shit about apple.

This might be one of the funniest things I've read on the internet today. Dude - calm down your ravenous android slobbering is showing. I have never owned an apple device. Not a Mac, not an iPod, not an iPhone. But hey I said some bad things about Samsung and Google and some kinder things about Apple so I must be a apple fanboy. I can acknowledge negatives about Apple - there just haven't been any clear ones brought up IMO. You want to talk about fleet management? Sure I have more than a few negative opinions there. But the walled garden? There are a lot of huge positives to that esp when it comes to malware. Is it perfect? Nope. Is it better than Android? Yes for a large number of people. Could Google make a few vetting changes to more than close the gap? They could if they cared. Which they don't.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

You can via regular text message. You don't get any of iMessage's extra features though.

I mean... why would you?

 

[jpiniero]

I mean... why would you?

That's what Google is complaining about. The whole "Teens won't buy Android because of Green Bubble shame" is wild.

 

[Red Squirrel]

the fact that any new MBP is coming with 8gb of RAM is insanity

my MBP is 10 years old and has double that amount

It's crazy to see stuff coming with only that much ram now days. I have an old server in my server rack that I retired years ago and it has 8GB of ram. I built it before 2009, I had it at my parent's house before I moved to my own house. Then you have OEMs trying to sell stuff new that has same specs lol.

 

[MrSquished]

This might be one of the funniest things I've read on the internet today. Dude - calm down your ravenous android slobbering is showing. I have never owned an apple device. Not a Mac, not an iPod, not an iPhone. But hey I said some bad things about Samsung and Google and some kinder things about Apple so I must be a apple fanboy. I can acknowledge negatives about Apple - there just haven't been any clear ones brought up IMO. You want to talk about fleet management? Sure I have more than a few negative opinions there. But the walled garden? There are a lot of huge positives to that esp when it comes to malware. Is it perfect? Nope. Is it better than Android? Yes for a large number of people. Could Google make a few vetting changes to more than close the gap? They could if they cared. Which they don't.

You still can't see Jack.

You can't even admit the overpriced walled garden stuff.

I've literally spoken to people who like Apple who can't stand that shit and will gladly admit it.

You can't handle really any other criticism of Apple, meanwhile I have plenty of criticism for Samsung and Google too. Google's hardware issues, ethical issues, monopoly power abuse. Samsung and their proprietary crap and trying to shove Tizen into things for so long.

You fanboying on Apple is the only thing going on here. You still can't own up to the real deal going on. You can say all you want about how objective you are but that doesn't mean anything. It's pretty clear you're anything but.

I'm not denying the wall garden has some positives but you just ignore all the negatives which are quite quite substantial. And you ignore it all. You literally say you can't bring yourself to criticize it. Even some huge apple fans in the tech community admit the walled garden can be pretty fucked up and terrible for consumers. But you can't.

Very definition of fanboy.

Bigly sad.

 

[Paratus]

Apples vaunted "security" and "support" are both complete jokes.... the DEVICES themselves are pretty good BUT the system they use completely sucks and leaves your a$$ hanging in the wind.

Additionally ANYTHING compromises your "icloud" account and you are 100% screwed with little chance of contacting any competent help/tech-support that will actually DO anything about it. (and it's a HUGE PITA to create a new/clean account)

Despite how "hip" and "trendy" it is to knock Google, Android 13 is already very secure compared to IOS (provided you set it up correctly watching "permissions") and 14 is looking to be substantially tighter with authenticator app integration.

Yes it there’s one thing we can trust it’s Google to not data mine android devices. Android 14 is going to be like totally secure. I’m super cereal guys.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Yes it there’s one thing we can trust it’s Google to not data mine android devices. Android 14 is going to be like totally secure. I’m super cereal guys.

This is why I run a custom rom. None of the stock phone OSes great for privacy whether Android or Apple. The custom roms are still based on Android though so not perfect... but they strip out all the google services. Really the entire phone ecosystem is a huge mess. Even the custom roms are somewhat limited in what devices they can support due to the nature of how phones work. Also carrying any device that is pinging a network does mean your location is never private but with the custom rom at least the spying that happens at the software level is mostly eliminated. Ex: microphone, cameras, your files being scanned, etc.

 

[MrSquished]

I mean... why would you?

Well if you're an anti-competitive entity using monopoly power to keep market share, then it's just fine. I mean Google has done anti-competitive stuff too in regards to search. Doesn't make it okay when Apple does it.

The fact is messaging is one of the most popular ways to communicate in the United States, and it is completely possible for both iOS and Android to speak to each other and share features which consumers need and wants.

It's especially nasty with the green bubble thing to signify inferiority, which is really not good for the mental health of kids using this stuff if you read anything about it. It's psychologically manipulative. It's also terrible for consumers of all ages.

But if you're fine with it you're fine with it. I think it's terrible.

 

[Captante]

Yes it there’s one thing we can trust it’s Google to not data mine android devices. Android 14 is going to be like totally secure. I’m super cereal guys.

Paid advertising data/location history is a different story altogether.... I'm talking about offering better login/account security with more tightly integrated and effective 2FA. (for examples)

No such thing as a "secure" smartphone ultimately.

 

[Kaido]

From a corporate environment , i greatly appreciated the switch to IOS devices and the total ban of all android devices on our intune mdm . I was a huge android user before that and was plenty apprehensive about having to support them, turns out it was the biggest positive change i've seen in a long time, the shit just works for what we needed it to do, and i'm talking about having to support truck drivers that absolutely hated technology but with the ipads/phones it was simple and quick to fix, not perfect mind you but way easier than having to support Android tablets/phones.

/i did eventually buy an iphone/macbook air
//probably shouldn't have bought the macbook but it works well

Yeah, I don't even bother to support Androids anymore. I tell Android users to make sure they run weekly updates, run a paid copy of Malwarebytes, and run Glasswire on their phones because of the security issues.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Mine is 10 years old and has 8gb of ram and it is more than enough for a 10 year old macbook pro and I do development on here running Xcode, web servers, db servers, etc, all at the same time, and it doesn't really chug. I'd think current hardware would make use of the 8gb of ram even more efficiently. 8gb of ram is MORE than enough for people who are using it to basically just browse the web and look at Facebook and Instagram.

And people do realize, if you want more ram, you can get it, right?

Also not sure what this "walled garden" is that has been referred to multiple times in this thread. I've been on iPhone since I got a smart phone back when the iPhone 4 was new and came to Verizon and have no clue what that means.

Please spare us. The 10 year old Mac's used Intel processors. I had 16GB of ram on my PC back then.

 

[KMFJD]

By walled garden i am assuming it's being unable to install anything other than from the apple store?

 

[igor_kavinski]

We've helped deploy many thousands of Macs and the vast majority of people have no issues with 8GB.

Please set up a survey form and collect anonymous feedback from these users. That's the only real way to find out. Reason I say this is, I have seen users suffering with lesser hardware and not informing IT because they don't want to appear as "fussy users" or divas and think that if IT deems their demands are unreasonable, they might get reported to higher management for trying to acquire more expensive hardware than the IT team has determined they need.

Like a project manager in my office cannot help opening tons of tabs on his 8GB system and even with an SSD, his system gets overwhelmed. He's a really nice fellow so he doesn't ask for faster hardware even though he really needs it. Even if he were to ask, the IT admin would ask him why he needs the faster system, he will show how he works and the IT admin will just say, "Don't do it this way. Open only the tabs you really need". We all know how much disdain most IT admins have for non-techie employees.

There's a difference between barely acceptable and smooth as silk. A lot of IT admins don't care if a user's experience is barely acceptable. They are fine with that. "It works as expected. I got better things to do."

 

[igor_kavinski]

The included USB-C cord, however, is rated to USB 2 (480 Mbps). On a $1000+ phone!

Apple reasoning is pretty reasonable