wtf? 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link????

[VioletAura]

It is probably wishful thinking being confused with reality or they have been watching faux news for too long.

 

[BOBDN]

What of the Al Qaeda conncetion with Saudi Arabia? The fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis?

It would seem if this is used as another excuse for invading an Arab nation Bush should have invaded Saudia Arabia instead of Iraq.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Napalm
It is the media that is responsible for this. They pander to the Bush administration by publishing stories that repeat half-truths, speculation and out-right lies and then do little to put out accurate information after the fact.

N

Are you referring to the "liberal" media, N?

The same "liberal" media preparing to air the fictional account of Bush as hero on 9/11?

DealMonkey asked why Americans are so stupid. IMO opinion part of the reason is the airing of fictional accounts which are regarded by viewers as true. And this because most Americans, apparently two-thirds, don't bother to read a newspaper or seek multiple diverse sources for information.

I am convinced the use of TV and mass media to spread such propaganda is intentional. And it is obviously quite effective.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Maybe they sent the pollsters out to only the "red" states? Or perhaps only to CkG's neighborhood? 😉😛

Sure shows your ignorance.😉

People will associate bad with bad even if the "bads" don't directly link. Saddam supported terrorists, terrorists were responsible for 9/11. However those that Saddam supported weren't neccesarily the ones that were responsible for 9/11.
Now run along...

CkG

 

[0roo0roo]

if it was a phone survey, it depends on little old people that don't automatically hang up when recieving unsolicited phone calls.


most arabs and french probably believe rather strange things about 9/11 too😛

 

[Spamela]

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm

WASHINGTON (AP) ? Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country.
Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. A majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents believe it's likely Saddam was involved.

The belief in the connection persists even though there has been no proof of a link between the two.

President Bush and members of his administration suggested a link between the two in the months before the war in Iraq. Claims of possible links have never been proven, however.

isnt it time that facts start to catch up with fiction?

where i live the fraction is probably closer to 90% - pity me.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Maybe they sent the pollsters out to only the "red" states? Or perhaps only to CkG's neighborhood? 😉😛

Sure shows your ignorance.😉

People will associate bad with bad even if the "bads" don't directly link. Saddam supported terrorists, terrorists were responsible for 9/11. However those that Saddam supported weren't neccesarily the ones that were responsible for 9/11.
Now run along...

CkG

Exactly. Stupid people will come up with all kinds of stupid theories. It's a proven fact.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Can it be proven that my mom wasn't responsible or linked with 9/11?

Don't get too smug, buddy -- Cheney's got a map of her house.

By the way, how much oil does she have?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Maybe they sent the pollsters out to only the "red" states? Or perhaps only to CkG's neighborhood? 😉😛

Sure shows your ignorance.😉

People will associate bad with bad even if the "bads" don't directly link. Saddam supported terrorists, terrorists were responsible for 9/11. However those that Saddam supported weren't neccesarily the ones that were responsible for 9/11.
Now run along...

CkG

This just reinforces how effectively and persistently the Bush-lite administration lied to America. They were ably assisted by compliant media and war-mongering apologists who attacked anyone raising questions as ignorant and anti-American.



(Hey Cad, is "run along" your new replacement for that dumb "dart missed" mantra?)

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger(Hey Cad, is "run along" your new replacement for that dumb "dart missed" mantra?)

I know, I know. Just when I thought he couldn't get any more condescending.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Maybe they sent the pollsters out to only the "red" states? Or perhaps only to CkG's neighborhood? 😉😛

Sure shows your ignorance.😉

People will associate bad with bad even if the "bads" don't directly link. Saddam supported terrorists, terrorists were responsible for 9/11. However those that Saddam supported weren't neccesarily the ones that were responsible for 9/11.
Now run along...

CkG

This just reinforces how effectively and persistently the Bush-lite administration lied to America. They were ably assisted by compliant media and war-mongering apologists who attacked anyone raising questions as ignorant and anti-American.



(Hey Cad, is "run along" your new replacement for that dumb "dart missed" mantra?)

About the same as your new "psuedo-con" crap.

Oh, and the darts are still missing😉😀

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
About the same as your new "psuedo-con" crap.

Yeah, I haven't decided whether to keep using that or not. I hate "neo-con" because it's really a misnomer. There is no conservative in "neo-conservative". Using "neo-con" just reinforces the fiction that these guys are some new form of conservative.

 

[Gaard]

It's my understanding that in his speech tomorrow Bush will do his absolute best to correct any misconceptions people may have on Saddam's connection with the attacks. I've been told that he's going to tell people that they have the right to think whatever they like, but at this point in time we have absolutley no evidence of a direct connection. 😉

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
About the same as your new "psuedo-con" crap.

Yeah, I haven't decided whether to keep using that or not. I hate "neo-con" because it's really a misnomer. There is no conservative in "neo-conservative". Using "neo-con" just reinforces the fiction that these guys are some new form of conservative.

Well, it's nice that you atleast try to use the term correctly🙂 -seems alot of others here thrown terms(labels😉) around with-out haveing a clue their meaning.

CkG

 

[Quixotic]

Originally posted by: OldSpooky
I'm an American and I'm in the 30% (or so the poll alleges) that does not beleive Saddam Hussein had anything to do with the September 11 incident. It boggles my mind that so many people are so ignorant of world affairs.

Many people don't believe something because it's true. They believe something because they are comfortable believing it. (ie bin Laden = Arab, Saddam = Arab, they must be in league!)

:disgust:

i'm surprised you're surprised =P

 

[Quixotic]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
But to be truly honest, you can't prove that Saddam WASNT responsible or linked with 9/11 and that really should be sufficient.

you're being sarcastic right?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Quixotic

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
But to be truly honest, you can't prove that Saddam WASNT responsible or linked with 9/11 and that really should be sufficient.

you're being sarcastic right?

You can never tell for sure when tnitsuj is being sarcastic. He seems to play both sides of the fence.

Based on the evidence I've seen, I'm confident Hussein had no connection to 9/11. That's just my opinion, of ocurse. I think there is far more evidence suggesting Bush and his minions have responsibility for 9/11, and I am NOT being sarcastic. That doesn't mean they were, just that there's a greater chance Bush was involved than Hussein.

For anyone who's said, "Prove Hussein wasn't involved," I issue the same challenge. You prove Bush wasn't involved with 9/11.

You can't.

 

[Quixotic]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Quixotic

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
But to be truly honest, you can't prove that Saddam WASNT responsible or linked with 9/11 and that really should be sufficient.

you're being sarcastic right?

You can never tell for sure when tnitsuj is being sarcastic. He seems to play both sides of the fence.

That's what I thought. I was trying to find out who he was arguing with only to discover it was himself =P

 

[JellyBaby]

The mainstream media is often incapable of moving from bits and pieces of fact to a larger picture. They offer us consumable news, not always news that's in our best interests. They often focus on largely irrelevant stories because they sell and barely cover imporant stories because they don't sell. And now they fail to challenge government when there's a foul odor in the air...they used to do a good job in this dept., too.

Bush tried to link Iraq with 9/11 by simply mentioning "Iraq" and "terror" and "al queerda" in the same sentence, over and over and over again so it's no wonder the average American believes it is so.

As far as I can tell there is no link between Saddum and 9/11 and every offered link between Saddum and al queerda was dubious at best.

 

[Bigdude]

wtf? 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link????

Yes, and the other 30% are retards!

 

[BOBDN]

There is one report on 9/11 already completed with 28 pages which Bush refuses to de-classify. The report has no claim of any connection between 9/11 and Iraq. The pages Bush refuses to de-classify charge Saudi Arabia with helping the terrorists who attacked our nation on 9/11/2001.

Another commission is investigating 9/11, headed by former NJ Republican Governor Thomas Kean. The Bush administration had to be forced into allowing this investigation by the families of victims of the attack on the World Trade Center. The Bush administration has been hampering this investigation according to Tom Kean.

We'll see if this independent investigation finds any connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
There is one report on 9/11 already completed with 28 pages which Bush refuses to de-classify. The report has no claim of any connection between 9/11 and Iraq. The pages Bush refuses to de-classify charge Saudi Arabia with helping the terrorists who attacked our nation on 9/11/2001.

Another commission is investigating 9/11, headed by former NJ Republican Governor Thomas Kean. The Bush administration had to be forced into allowing this investigation by the families of victims of the attack on the World Trade Center. The Bush administration has been hampering this investigation according to Tom Kean.

We'll see if this independent investigation finds any connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

You have access to the un-declassified pages? How do you know that they "charge Saudi Arabia with helping the terrorists who attacked our nation on 9/11/2001"?
Yeah - once again - Bush is being blamed for everything

To think that some things don't need to stay classified is foolish.

CkG

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN
There is one report on 9/11 already completed with 28 pages which Bush refuses to de-classify. The report has no claim of any connection between 9/11 and Iraq. The pages Bush refuses to de-classify charge Saudi Arabia with helping the terrorists who attacked our nation on 9/11/2001.

Another commission is investigating 9/11, headed by former NJ Republican Governor Thomas Kean. The Bush administration had to be forced into allowing this investigation by the families of victims of the attack on the World Trade Center. The Bush administration has been hampering this investigation according to Tom Kean.

We'll see if this independent investigation finds any connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

You have access to the un-declassified pages? How do you know that they "charge Saudi Arabia with helping the terrorists who attacked our nation on 9/11/2001"?
Yeah - once again - Bush is being blamed for everything

To think that some things don't need to stay classified is foolish.

CkG

Nope, I don't have access to classified info from the report. But someone who does leaked the content to the press.

Thank God for people brave enough to leak information that should be public to begin with since the Bush administration has a history of classifying information that is damaging to them.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm

WASHINGTON (AP) ? Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country.
Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. A majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents believe it's likely Saddam was involved.

The belief in the connection persists even though there has been no proof of a link between the two.

President Bush and members of his administration suggested a link between the two in the months before the war in Iraq. Claims of possible links have never been proven, however.

isnt it time that facts start to catch up with fiction?

I would like to know who they interviewed...

The Post poll of 1,003 adults was taken Aug. 7-11 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Actually it appears the keyword "likely" is what got numbers this high. At this point the strength of the connection between Saddam and Al Queda is not certain. Al Queda camps were destroyed in Iraq and Senior al queda members have been picked up in iraq. This is probably enough to leave lingering questions in peoples mind.

Exactly my thoughts. It lingers in my mind, and I would NOT hesitate to put it past Saddam.

 

[BOBDN]

So this ^ is the new standard for going to war. "I woudn't put it past him."

Classic. This is just f'ing classic.