WSJ claims gov't didn't invent internet, the author they cite claims otherwise

[Gonad the Barbarian]

And I never said you did

Speaking of bullshit:

I noted that your comment:

immediately turned Double Trouble's comment back into a republican/democrat conservative/liberal debate

That's exactly what you said.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I agree. The internet seems to be a great example of what happens when the government and private sector work in conjunction with eachother





But of course the first two people that respond immediately use your post to turn it back into a republican/democrat conservative/liberal debate

What was the context of this thread again?

Let me remind you!

A right-wing new source notorious for its anti-science & anti-government stances publishes a...wait for it...

Feel free to go start another thread highlighting all the wonderfull public private partnerships.

 

[Exterous]

Speaking of bullshit:

That's exactly what you said.

:hmm:

I took your 'his' in this quote to be the OP:

Why would that matter since my comment was not talking about the OP or articles in anyway? I noted that your comment:

immediately turned Double Trouble's comment back into a republican/democrat conservative/liberal debate

I'm not the one who has turned his opinion into a partisan one, I merely pointed out others have.

Since you quote where I am talking about two different posters but don't specify who your pronoun refers to perhaps that is where the mistake was made. If you were referring to Double Trouble then I was mistaken - but you really should be more specific 😛

What was the context of this thread again?

Let me remind you!

A right-wing new source notorious for its anti-science & anti-government stances publishes a...wait for it...

Feel free to go start another thread highlighting all the wonderfull public private partnerships.

Interesting. It seems I must take one extreme or the other to play in your sandbox - that a viewpoint that public and private can work together successfully to create something has no place in a thread debating whether something came about solely through public or private means and who gets to take credit for it

Fortunately I am not bound by your whims

 

[blankslate]

The construction of the internet should serve as an example to all of us that we need to work together to get things done and not be selfish and pretend we did everything by ourselves....*cough Al Gore cough* *cough cough private business cough cough* ***cough etc cough***

According to Vint Cerf Al Gore does deserve credit.
http://www.esquire.com/features/what-ive-learned/vint-cerf-0508

Al Gore had seen what happened with the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956, which his father introduced as a military bill. It was very powerful. Housing went up, suburban boom happened, everybody became mobile. Al was attuned to the power of networking much more than any of his elective colleagues. His initiatives led directly to the commercialization of the Internet. So he really does deserve credit.

http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200009/msg00052.html

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective.

The "we" in the above paragraph is Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf


http://www.internethalloffame.org/inductees/al-gore

l Gore, the 45th Vice President of the United States, was a key proponent of sponsoring legislation that funded the expansion of and greater public access to the Internet.

Did Al Gore use possibly the worst combination of words describing his involvement?
Yes.

However, he was involved in promoting it and making the general public more aware of it in the 90's.

People who still make Al Gore internet jokes are so ignorant of the facts and blinded by right wing garbage that they need look at the evidence with a less partisan eye. That is, if they can.

 

[Exterous]

Its generally easier for both sides to pick out choice comments and misconstrue them to fit their needs than to actually look into the meaning/intent behind them. Just cut and paste some soundbites/quotes out of context and everything will look much better for your side

 

[Tom]

The sad thing is how many people miss the truth..

we need and get the best results from good government and an honest, thriving, private sector.

Which can only exist with good government regulation, btw.

 

[sactoking]

People who still make Al Gore internet jokes are so ignorant of the facts and blinded by right wing garbage that they need look at the evidence with a less partisan eye. That is, if they can.

That's not it at all. People make Al Gore internet jokes because what he said, on its face, was ridiculous and made him an easy target. That internet statement was his Dan Quayle moment; no matter how technically right he may have been the message as received was baloney.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Did Al Gore use possibly the worst combination of words describing his involvement?
Yes.

You completely ignored the entire premise of my post in order to claim credit for Gore, seriously? Did he do it by himself? Did Cerf or Khan? No, no, and no. Read my original post again and try to understand what I am writing about, not just what you find objectionable about it.

 

[blankslate]

You completely ignored the entire premise of my post in order to claim credit for Gore, seriously? Did he do it by himself? Did Cerf or Khan? No, no, and no. Read my original post again and try to understand what I am writing about, not just what you find objectionable about it.

I read your post. It could have been made without the useless joke. If the joke was accurate... ok then.

However, while pointing out that no one person did it by themselves is laudable it's probably already understood by most people. Then you followed it with the pointless joke.

As the links I provided illustrated hopefully.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I read your post. It could have been made without the useless joke. If the joke was accurate... ok then.

However, while pointing out that no one person did it by themselves is laudable it's probably already understood by most people. Then you followed it with the pointless joke.

As the links I provided illustrated hopefully.

Pointless? It absolutely backed up what I was saying. Al Gore did not "create" the internet as was claimed. He maybe advertised it, but that does not create anything...only expand. Sorry if my sense of humor offends your crush on Gore or whatever but the truth remains no matter how you want to spin it.

 

[blankslate]

Pointless? It absolutely backed up what I was saying. Al Gore did not "create" the internet as was claimed. He maybe advertised it, but that does not create anything...only expand. Sorry if my sense of humor offends your crush on Gore or whatever but the truth remains no matter how you want to spin it.

Your sense of humor is stupid in the face of facts.

People who came up with much of the technological methods and standards that serve as the underpinnings of the networks that make up the internet have stated they don't believe the spin by the right that Al Gore claimed to actually create the internet.

I'm sorry if you can't recognize that.

 

[thraashman]

Your sense of humor is stupid in the face of facts.

People who came up with much of the technological methods and standards that serve as the underpinnings of the networks that make up the internet have stated they don't believe the spin by the right that Al Gore claimed to actually create the internet.

I'm sorry if you can't recognize that.

He has received recognition as probably being the single person most responsible for the internet.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Your sense of humor is stupid in the face of facts.

People who came up with much of the technological methods and standards that serve as the underpinnings of the networks that make up the internet have stated they don't believe the spin by the right that Al Gore claimed to actually create the internet.

I'm sorry if you can't recognize that.

Dude, seriously, it's not that big of a deal. Nobody cares about Gore, least of all me, but it was just an example. But here, you'll enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco&feature=related

Maybe if he didn't want people to give him shit for saying he did, he should not have said (and I quote) "I took the initiative uh creating the internet". This is not a context thing like Obama saying you didn't build that. This is one guy putting his foot in his mouth and letting his ego overblow his importance to the situation....something that happens a lot these days.

Look I actually kind of like Gore because of this speech, but you cannot deny he fucked up big time with the internet statement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjYYz2Jv2QY&feature=related

 

[dawheat]

And then they did everything they could to stick it to Microsoft, the one company that brought the Internet into every household.

Holy crap, I didn't want to post in this thread, but this comment rocked my world.

Thumbs up buddy.

 

[sportage]

It took qwest 10 years to reach my neighborhood, a metropolitan state Capitol city with DSL internet. And that was only DSL 1.5. And today, fifteen years later, DSL 1.5 is still their highest speed offered to this area. So anyone suggesting a private company, any private company, created any animal as large as nationwide internet is boohaha. Only a government, and more so the military part of a government, could ever create anything close to what is known as the internt. As was the case FYI.
Claiming the private sector of the economy created the internet is like saying McDonalds first created all roads and highways in order to later create McDonalds.
And BTW has been president Obama's whole point concerning business creation.
But naturally, Ronmey would love for u to believe Bain created the US highway system.
Why?
Because there are a lot of people just dumb enough to believe it.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

:hmm:

I took your 'his' in this quote to be the OP:





Since you quote where I am talking about two different posters but don't specify who your pronoun refers to perhaps that is where the mistake was made. If you were referring to Double Trouble then I was mistaken - but you really should be more specific 😛



Interesting. It seems I must take one extreme or the other to play in your sandbox - that a viewpoint that public and private can work together successfully to create something has no place in a thread debating whether something came about solely through public or private means and who gets to take credit for it

Fortunately I am not bound by your whims

Nor I yours, yet we both complained about each other's replies to this thread no 🙂

 

[blankslate]

Dude, seriously, it's not that big of a deal. Nobody cares about Gore,

Then why even repeat a stupid tired joke other than for a cheap laugh if no one everr cares?. You could have made your supposed point without it.

Maybe if he didn't want people to give him shit for saying he did, he should not have said (and I quote) "I took the initiative uh creating the internet".

Maybe if you didn't want shit for repeating a tired old right wing talking point you shouldn't have have brought it up.

ffs just quite with the spin already.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Then why even repeat a stupid tired joke other than for a cheap laugh if no one everr cares?. You could have made your supposed point without it.





Maybe if you didn't want shit for repeating a tired old right wing talking point you shouldn't have have brought it up.

ffs just quite with the spin already.

lol Have a nice day.

 

[blankslate]

lol Have a nice day.

Thanks you as well.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I always do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R7t7lwszzc

 

[Bowfinger]

Holy crap, I didn't want to post in this thread, but this comment rocked my world.

Thumbs up buddy.

(/taps Sarcasm Detector)

I hope you aren't serious. You do realize Microsoft was a Johnny-come-lately to embracing the Internet, right? Around the same time as Windows 95 was released, Gates stated that Microsoft didn't see the Internet as very important, and that it was not a focus in their strategy. Instead, it was companies like Netscape who ruled the exploding Internet "market". They brought the Internet into our homes while Microsoft remained focused on its fat products like MS Office.

Then, literally only a few months later, as industry buzz started speculating that Netscape's browser might supplant Windows as the primary PC desktop, Gates finally recognized what was happening and flipped Microsoft 180 degrees. In fact, as I remember it, they even rewrote and rushed to press a new edition of Gates' book (A Road Ahead?), cutting the small, dismissive section related to the Internet and replacing it with a much longer section embracing it.

 

[blankslate]

I always do.

Good to know.

 

[blankslate]

(/taps Sarcasm Detector) I hope you aren't serious. You do realize Microsoft was a Johnny-come-lately to embracing the Internet, right? Around the same time as Windows 95 was released, Gates stated that Microsoft didn't see the Internet as very important, and that it was not a focus in their strategy. Instead, it was companies like Netscape who ruled the exploding Internet "market". They brought the Internet into our homes while Microsoft remained focused on its fat products like MS Office. Then, literally only a few months later, as industry buzz started speculating that Netscape's browser might supplant Windows as the primary PC desktop, Gates finally recognized what was happening and lipped Microsoft 180 degrees. In fact, as I remember it, they even rewrote and rushed to press a new edition of Gates' book (A Road Ahead?), cutting the small, dismissive section related to the Internet and replacing it with a much longer section embracing it.

I've heard about this but not about Bill Gates book being edited on short nortice.

It's pretty accurate too.

Unlike some right wing slander campaign painting a certain candidate as claiming to have laid *all* of the groundwork for the creation of

 

[Matt1970]

Hahhahahahahahahaha. No, that was Netscape and AOL.

Once Bill Gates saw the light, he then directed MS to come up ways to abuse their Windows monopoly power to take over from the innovators like Netscape.

IE didn't win on merits, it won on:
- making IE "part of the operating system", causing a decade of security exploits
- forcing developers to ship and install IE with their desktop applications if they wanted to use the latest versions of Windows "common controls" for things like image lists.
- strong arming PC makers to limit choice and only offer IE on their desktops
- making their internet software free to "cut off the oxygen" of Netscape

No, it was the Government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
The problem I found with the ruling was that there was no other competing product even close to being ready for the end user. There was Linux, but a lot of the PC techs I knew at the time had a hard time getting Linux to work right at the time. Most users would have been cluless if the ordered Linux on thier machines. Microsoft was wrong for requiring PC manufacturers to purchase a copy for every PC they built, but they were going to install Windows on them anyways.

Netscape sued in 2002. Netscape wanted Microsoft to strip IE out of the operating systems. That would have let PC manufacturers to make sure they ship a seperate copy of IE and Netscape on CD. They would have to pick one or the other and then install it to get on the internet. I do PC repair and some people are lucky they can even find the CD drive much less install it.

As far as Netscape goes, it was a good browser for a few years but quickly became the laughing stock of the internet at the time. I remember all the people making websites that said "Click here to make your Netscape Crash"

 

[Matt1970]

(/taps Sarcasm Detector)

I hope you aren't serious. You do realize Microsoft was a Johnny-come-lately to embracing the Internet, right? Around the same time as Windows 95 was released, Gates stated that Microsoft didn't see the Internet as very important, and that it was not a focus in their strategy. Instead, it was companies like Netscape who ruled the exploding Internet "market". They brought the Internet into our homes while Microsoft remained focused on its fat products like MS Office.

Then, literally only a few months later, as industry buzz started speculating that Netscape's browser might supplant Windows as the primary PC desktop, Gates finally recognized what was happening and flipped Microsoft 180 degrees. In fact, as I remember it, they even rewrote and rushed to press a new edition of Gates' book (A Road Ahead?), cutting the small, dismissive section related to the Internet and replacing it with a much longer section embracing it.

Netscape was having issues and was destined to die a slow and miserable death. It was sad because I loved it. I remember a TV special that showed Netscape was employing a 16 year old kid to fix a lot of their code. Aol, still stuck with IE as their shell for the AOL Explorer even after purchasing Netscape in 1998. Even Time Warner would not support Netscape after merging with AOL in 2000.