wrong war, wrong time, blah blah

[element]

If Kerry is so good at making decisions compared to Bush, why was he so easily convinced to vote for the war as well? Yes let's remember Kerry voted for the war.

if your answer is that the war was just, then why now is he against it?

 

[Aimster]

He voted to go to war. He didn't vote to go to War by telling the UN to shove it up their ass.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There have been times when I did something stupid. Once I realized how dumb it was, I stopped it.

Kerry should not have voted to support Bush, but he did. At least he has recognized the error.

 

[jtusa]

Originally posted by: Aimster
He voted to go to war. He didn't vote to go to War by telling the UN to shove it up their ass.

I think Bush standing up the U.N. was a very good thing.

 

[jtusa]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
There have been times when I did something stupid. Once I realized how dumb it was, I stopped it.

Kerry should not have voted to support Bush, but he did. At least he has recognized the error.

And I bet if Bush came out and said the war was wrong you wouldn't cut him an inch of slack.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: jtusa4

Originally posted by: Aimster
He voted to go to war. He didn't vote to go to War by telling the UN to shove it up their ass.

I think Bush standing up the U.N. was a very good thing.

The inspectors were doing their job. Saddam was being very allowing in letting them do their job. He was allowing them to go wherever they wanted to go. There was no reason to rush into it. Bush didn't like the fact that they couldn't come up with anything.
He didn't let them do their job in the mid 90s, but he did in the last time.

 

[sph1nx]

Originally posted by: jtusa4

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
There have been times when I did something stupid. Once I realized how dumb it was, I stopped it.

Kerry should not have voted to support Bush, but he did. At least he has recognized the error.

And I bet if Bush came out and said the war was wrong you wouldn't cut him an inch of slack.

Sad but true.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: jtusa4

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
There have been times when I did something stupid. Once I realized how dumb it was, I stopped it.

Kerry should not have voted to support Bush, but he did. At least he has recognized the error.

And I bet if Bush came out and said the war was wrong you wouldn't cut him an inch of slack.

It depends on the action he takes afterwards. To say something is wrong and not act to correct it is valueless.

BTW, you know I voted for Bush, right?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Aimster
He voted to go to war. He didn't vote to go to War by telling the UN to shove it up their ass.

Yup, he voted to authorize force so the US would have a bargaining chip.

I agree with Winston Smith too.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Aimster
He voted to go to war. He didn't vote to go to War by telling the UN to shove it up their ass.

I don't recall Bush ever using those words. sounds more like atoterspeak.

But how else would you go to war if you felt it was right (as Kerry did) without at least ignoring the UN if they are adamantly opposed to it?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
There have been times when I did something stupid. Once I realized how dumb it was, I stopped it.

Kerry should not have voted to support Bush, but he did. At least he has recognized the error.

Kindly provide the quote where he "recognized his error" of the vote?

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: jtusa4

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
There have been times when I did something stupid. Once I realized how dumb it was, I stopped it.

Kerry should not have voted to support Bush, but he did. At least he has recognized the error.

And I bet if Bush came out and said the war was wrong you wouldn't cut him an inch of slack.

Oh, he will admit some wrongdoing or misgivings once he is out of office, and has a book published. You will be able to find that book in the same section as Jack and Jill magazine, ages 7-10

 

[fjord]

Originally posted by: element
If Kerry is so good at making decisions compared to Bush, why was he so easily convinced to vote for the war as well? Yes let's remember Kerry voted for the war.

if your answer is that the war was just, then why now is he against it?

Kerry did not vote for the war (in Iraq).

No-one in congress (either the House or the Senate) voted for the war (in Iraq).

Kerry voted for the Iraq War Resolution--which is a totally different animal.

The Bush administration--and ONLY the Bush administration decided to attack Iraq preemptively, without provocation.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Aimster
He voted to go to war. He didn't vote to go to War by telling the UN to shove it up their ass.

I don't recall Bush ever using those words. sounds more like atoterspeak.

But how else would you go to war if you felt it was right (as Kerry did) without at least ignoring the UN if they are adamantly opposed to it?

Saddam wasn't going against the UN for there to be a war. The inspectors were doing their job. They would have found no weapons. Kerry agreed to authorize the president to go to war if the U.N found Saddam to have weapons or pose a risk.

 

[Napalm]

Stupid post. Kerry voted to give authority to Bush to go to war based on the intelligence package presented by the administration. It now turns out that this presentation was massaged to achieve this outcome... This is another example of stupid arguments by Republicans based on talking points put together by spin docs in the administration. Get a brain.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: element
If Kerry is so good at making decisions compared to Bush, why was he so easily convinced to vote for the war as well? Yes let's remember Kerry voted for the war.

if your answer is that the war was just, then why now is he against it?

Bush Campaign Lie #742: Kerry voted for invading Iraq.

Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.


Kerry voted to give the President of the United States the authority to use force as a bargaining chip to gain better cooperation from both Iraq and the U.N. He did not tell Bush to invade.

Got it?

Didn't think so.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jtusa4

Originally posted by: Aimster
He voted to go to war. He didn't vote to go to War by telling the UN to shove it up their ass.

I think Bush standing up the U.N. was a very good thing.

The inspectors were doing their job. Saddam was being very allowing in letting them do their job. He was allowing them to go wherever they wanted to go. There was no reason to rush into it. Bush didn't like the fact that they couldn't come up with anything.
He didn't let them do their job in the mid 90s, but he did in the last time.

Are you being sarcastic or are you from an alternate universe? Everything happened exactly contrary to what you just posted.

The inspectors were at it for 12 years. Saddam kept kicking them out, then letting them back in when threatened with force only. Then kicking them out again. Rinse repeat over 12 years. It wasn't rushed into it took over 12 years. Bush never said anything about "liking or disliking" the outcome, only Saddam's defiance, which is completely different. Who didn't let them do their job? Bush? They had 12 years, that should be more than enough.

 

[Napalm]

Oh -and was that too harsh? I find it hard to judge...

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: fjord

Originally posted by: element
If Kerry is so good at making decisions compared to Bush, why was he so easily convinced to vote for the war as well? Yes let's remember Kerry voted for the war.

if your answer is that the war was just, then why now is he against it?

Kerry did not vote for the war (in Iraq).

No-one in congress (either the House or the Senate) voted for the war (in Iraq).

Kerry voted for the Iraq War Resolution--which is a totally different animal.

The Bush administration--and ONLY the Bush administration decided to attack Iraq preemptively, without provocation.

Bingo!

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Aimster
He voted to go to war. He didn't vote to go to War by telling the UN to shove it up their ass.

I don't recall Bush ever using those words. sounds more like atoterspeak.

But how else would you go to war if you felt it was right (as Kerry did) without at least ignoring the UN if they are adamantly opposed to it?

down south embellishment is a tradition. Bush is coached by people who don't use words like crik, yonder, and shove it up your ass. But he meant it all the same when he said to the UN members join the war or become irrelevant

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: element
If Kerry is so good at making decisions compared to Bush, why was he so easily convinced to vote for the war as well? Yes let's remember Kerry voted for the war.

if your answer is that the war was just, then why now is he against it?

For the millionth time, it was President Kerry that invaded Iraq??? 😕

 

[EDoG2K]

So Bush comes to congress....

hey guys, you think it'd be alright if, you know, you gave me permission to use force, you know it would really give me some extra leverage!


Okay, here ya go Mr. Prez. Don't abuse your power now. Remember.. LAST RESORT!


Bush invades Iraq.

Now it's congress's fault for giving him permission! how dare they!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
There have been times when I did something stupid. Once I realized how dumb it was, I stopped it.

Kerry should not have voted to support Bush, but he did. At least he has recognized the error.

Kindly provide the quote where he "recognized his error" of the vote?

"Wrong war, wrong time, blah blah"

I don't know if he explicitly said he voted in error or not, but I will not get drawn into the common practice of counting angels on the heads of pins. You know me better than that 😛

If I must spell it out, I will use myself as an example. Let's go with a hypothetical.

I am riding my Hayabusa, and I get caught doing 180 MPH in a 55 zone. Once I get out of jail/get my license back, I drive in a much more prudent manner, and publicly admit that speeding is stupid.

Now, where in the above did I SAY I "recognized my error"? No where. It is my actions and my statements reflecting my beliefs AFTER getting slapped down by the local PD. Did I come to understand that my actions had a consequence I did not want? Of course, virtually everyone understands that.

So it is with Kerry. He voted for action, but now makes statements (and I don't have linkitis, if you don't think Kerry has spoken against the War then I can't help you) which strongly indicate that he does not like what happened.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jtusa4

Originally posted by: Aimster
He voted to go to war. He didn't vote to go to War by telling the UN to shove it up their ass.

I think Bush standing up the U.N. was a very good thing.

The inspectors were doing their job. Saddam was being very allowing in letting them do their job. He was allowing them to go wherever they wanted to go. There was no reason to rush into it. Bush didn't like the fact that they couldn't come up with anything.
He didn't let them do their job in the mid 90s, but he did in the last time.

Are you being sarcastic or are you from an alternate universe? Everything happened exactly contrary to what you just posted.

The inspectors were at it for 12 years. Saddam kept kicking them out, then letting them back in when threatened with force only. Then kicking them out again. Rinse repeat over 12 years. It wasn't rushed into it took over 12 years. Bush never said anything about "liking or disliking" the outcome, only Saddam's defiance, which is completely different. Who didn't let them do their job? Bush? They had 12 years, that should be more than enough.

I'm not being sarcastic. The war was a mistake. Iraq was never a security risk for the United States. For the Middle East maybe. This doesn't even include Israel as Iraq's military was rusting. Bush's reasoning for war does not make sense to me. Even if you say Saddam had weapons of mass destruction then why did we go after Iraq and not Iran? Iran has far more advanced weapons than Iraq. Iran is known to have tons of chemical weapons, building missles able to hit Europe (which they have now), and are also 1 year away from a nuclear bomb. They also send millions to Hezbolleh and they have thousands of Republican Guard troops in Lebanon.

Iraq was finally allowing the inspectors to do their job. If it took force for Saddam to listen then we would have used forced if he failed. We gave him one last chance and he listened, but we didn't care at that point. What was the reason to rush into war? Iraq had no ties to any terrorist organization. Iran is known to have ties to terrorist organization. The leaders in Iran spread anti-U.S anti-Israel remarks left and right.

Explain to me why Iraq over Iran.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: element
If Kerry is so good at making decisions compared to Bush, why was he so easily convinced to vote for the war as well? Yes let's remember Kerry voted for the war.

if your answer is that the war was just, then why now is he against it?

Bush Campaign Lie #742: Kerry voted for invading Iraq.

Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.
Kerry did NOT vote to invade Iraq.


Kerry voted to give the President of the United States the authority to use force as a bargaining chip to gain better cooperation from both Iraq and the U.N. He did not tell Bush to invade.

Got it?

Didn't think so.

That's funny. I don't recall the words "bargaining chip" in the resolution. I do recall something along these lines:

"SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq. "