Written 6 months prior to 1948 Arab-Israeli war ""As the Arabs see the Jews"His Majesty King Abdullah,"

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: flavio
This argument falls apart with the simple fact that Israel is doing WAY more killing than Palestinians. How DARE those Palestinians defend themselves against their killers.

Launching primitive rockets into Israel isn't doing anything to defend Palestinians, and neither is suicide bombing. Granted, Palestinians don't have any means to defend themselves from Israeli colonization, but rockets and bombs are only leading to yet more destruction on both sides, and distracting people from Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
For anyone who doesn't get it, let's pretend the entire world sent the entire population of Mexico (~106,000,000 people) to disperse themselves around the United States. I'm sure all you defiantly pro-Israel people would be happy to greet them all with open arms, right?

Um isnt that already happening?

Yeah buddy.. and do you like it?

YES!! For the most part they are family oriented people. They work very hard and are friendly!!

You totally ignored and glossed it.. When they came. YOU and your family were forcibly REMOVED to make room for them.. 2Xtreme.. was too fucking nice with his scenario

^^^^^^^^ now will you love them and welcome them with open arms

I do not hate the hispanic people!! But it seems you have terrible issues with them. Have you sought out professional help??

Don't play stupid.. amazing.. I guess that is what I should expect from you

In the example/scenario given.. When those people are moved around that he talks about.. They get moved where your home was.. and you get moved out.. .. is that clear enough or do I have to explain it a 3rd time

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Flavio you are in total denial!!!
Your defense when somebody questions your opinion is to say like a little kid--- THATS A LIE!! LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!

Provide some links that totally 100% support your opinion!

No, that's been your defense I already provided quotes and links while you have not provided any support for your side. Seems you're the one in denial.

He is, he is Israeli, raised to glorify his nation like a golden calf. One of the many extremists on our side of this conflict.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Ozoned

"Just try . attempt.. to put yourself in the shoes of the people who LIVED on the land while it was being stolen"
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They are all dead now. It's history. It's a done deal. It's time these Jew hating Arabs quit teaching their offspring their hate and move the fuck on, like the other 5 billion of us on the planet have done.

Agreed. It's also time these Arab hating Jews quit teaching their children to hate and pulled out of land that isn't theirs and followed UN resolutions and quit escalating the situation.

By the way if Russia stole a bunch of land from the US and kicked US citizens out of say Texas, Florida, and Arizona how long would it take before got over it and moved the fuck on do you think?

Texans would claim "Manifest Destiny" and would call for Jihad against the Soviets in your scenario.. they would do anything and everything to remove the Soviets or make their lives miserble

 

[marincounty]

The arabs have wanted to exterminate the jews for a long time. They just lack the military to do it. Here is some interesting history:

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Pro Palestinian spokespeople play bait-and-switch on the charge of Jew-hatred as the motivating factor behind suicide bombings with sanctimonious stock lectures on Christian complicity in the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews. They blame Israel for "occupation" without explaining why Muslims, where they maintain substantial populations, seem incapable of living peacefully in countries they don´t control, such as, besides Israel, Lebanon, Cyprus and elsewhere. These premises are false on three counts. Nazism was not Christian but neo-Pagan, Moslem imperialism today echoes Nazi aggression, and Arabs share a historic complicity in the Nazi Holocaust. In fact, understanding Arab support for Nazism places the present Israel-Arab conflict in its proper context.

Britain was so concerned with Nazi inroads into the Arab world in 1938, the eve of World War II, that they issued the infamous White Paper limiting Jewish immigration to Palestine, contributing to locking Jews into a Europe that was being overrun by Hitler. Former British Prime Minister Lloyd George, in a 1939 address, called the White Paper, "An act of national perfidy that will dishonor the name of Britain." The White Paper violated international law as established by the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the Faisal-Weizmann agreement of 1919. These agreements, recognized by the world community, supported the creation of a Palestinian Jewish State and encouraged Jewish immigration. Emir Faisal, heading the Arab delegation to the 1919 Paris Peace Conference, had formally recognized the future Jewish state in a signed document that explicitly called for Jewish immigration to Palestine. Nevertheless, the British gave in to pressure from the anti-Jewish faction led by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.



Hitler and the Mufti were planning to first exterminate the Jews of Europe and then the Jews of the Middle East. The Mufti, who visited Nazi death camps several times, organized support for the Nazis from amongst Muslims in Russia, the Balkans, and the Middle East. He headed the "Arab Bureau" in Berlin, where he directed a massive network of Arab-Nazi collaborators. He organized tens of thousands of Bosnian and Albanian Muslims into military units known as Handschar divisions, which carried out atrocities against Yugoslav Jews, Serbs and Gypsies, and he attempted to organize an Arab-Nazi Legion. Handschar fighters would be discovered battling against Israeli independence in 1948.

In 1943, in a speech in Berlin, the Mufti stated: "The Treaty of Versailles was a disaster for the Germans as well as for the Arabs. But the Germans know how to get rid of the Jews. It is that which brings us close to the Germans and sets us in their camp... up to today."

On March 1, 1944, in a radio broadcast to the Arab people from Berlin, the Mufti stated: "Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor." The Mufti initiated some of the most virulently pro-Nazi and Jew-hating broadcasts in history.


Declared a war criminal at Nuremberg, he would spend the rest of his life living in opulence in Cairo. His broadcasts, pamphlets, intelligence network and sabotage against Israel would continue after his death in 1974. In his memoirs, he wrote, "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations, and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews.

 

[dahunan]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/...CLES/palestinians.html

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ­not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. " ... we should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria... The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established... When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo." " David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: flavio
This argument falls apart with the simple fact that Israel is doing WAY more killing than Palestinians. How DARE those Palestinians defend themselves against their killers.

Launching primitive rockets into Israel isn't doing anything to defend Palestinians, and neither is suicide bombing. Granted, Palestinians don't have any means to defend themselves from Israeli colonization, but rockets and bombs are only leading to yet more destruction on both sides, and distracting people from Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank.

That may be true. I don't think Israel's recent bombing is doing anything to defend Israelis either as it just escalates the situation and encourages more rocket attacks.

It's a never ending "I'm going to get you back" cycle.

 

[dahunan]

Murdering children in a school is so much more moralistic than those scummy terrorists.. The Israelis used advanced weaponry... so their morality must be advanced too

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Murdering children in a school is so much more moralistic than those scummy terrorists.. The Israelis used advanced weaponry... so their morality must be advanced too

You don't seem to get it. Israel is targeting terrorists, who often locate in populated areas.
The Palestinians are trying to kill jews, any jew, women , children or old and disabled.
Can you see the difference?

The US killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in WWII and in Vietnam, directly targeting those areas. If Israel really was trying to wipe out the Palestinians, they surely have the capability to do the same thing. But they haven't done that despite the many provocations.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: dahunan
Murdering children in a school is so much more moralistic than those scummy terrorists.. The Israelis used advanced weaponry... so their morality must be advanced too

You don't seem to get it. Israel is targeting terrorists, who often locate in populated areas.
The Palestinians are trying to kill jews, any jew, women , children or old and disabled.
Can you see the difference?

The US killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in WWII and in Vietnam, directly targeting those areas. If Israel really was trying to wipe out the Palestinians, they surely have the capability to do the same thing. But they haven't done that despite the many provocations.

Palestinians are seeking to kill all Jews? Interesting.. seems if that were true they really really really suck at it.. eh?

When was the last Jewish person killed by a Palestinian? <not counting some 4 dead soldiers to the 600 Palestinians killed

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: marincounty

The arabs have wanted to exterminate the jews for a long time. They just lack the military to do it. Here is some interesting history:

Here is some history:

There were nearly a million Jews living all across Arab lands prior to the creation of the state of Israel.

There were many millions of Arabs in those lands with well more than enough military means to extermate the Jews who lived among them.

Prior to Israel's declarations of statehood Israelis drove hundreds of thousands of Arabs out of their towns and villages Palestine.

At that point Arabs armies attacked Israel, and Arabs across the Middle East became distrustful of the Jews among them.

Over the next few years the vast majority of those Jews in Arab lands were persecuted into leaving and many outright exiled, many coming to Israel.

Arabs had plenty of chance throughout history to kill far more Jews than they ever have. Your attempts to paint them as Nazis show a flagrant lack of historical understanding.

Originally posted by: flavio

That may be true. I don't Israel's recent bombing is doing anything to defend Israelis either as it just escalates the situation and encourages more rocket attacks.

It isn't defending Israelis, it is simply a destraction to take focus away from the Israeli leadership's ongoing colonization of Palestinian land in the West Bank, with callus disregard to all the death and destruction it continues to bring to both sides.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: marincounty

The arabs have wanted to exterminate the jews for a long time. They just lack the military to do it. Here is some interesting history:

Here is some history:

There were nearly a million Jews living all across Arab lands prior to the creation of the state of Israel.

There were many millions of Arabs in those lands with well more than enough military means to extermate the Jews who lived among them.

Prior to Israel's declarations of statehood Israelis drove hundreds of thousands of Arabs out of their towns and villages Palestine.

At that point Arabs armies attacked Israel, and Arabs across the Middle East became distrustful of the Jews among them.

Over the next few years the vast majority of those Jews in Arab lands were persecuted into leaving and many outright exiled, many coming to Israel.

Arabs had plenty of chance thought history to kill far more Jews than they ever have. Your attempts to paint them as Nazis show a flagrant lack of historical understanding.

Originally posted by: flavio

That may be true. I don't Israel's recent bombing is doing anything to defend Israelis either as it just escalates the situation and encourages more rocket attacks.

It isn't defending Israelis, it is simply a destruction to take focus away from the Israeli leadership's ongoing colonization of Palestinian land in the West Bank, with callus disregard to all the death and destruction continue to bring to both sides.

"Arabs had plenty of chance thought history to kill far more Jews than they ever have. Your attempts to paint them as Nazis show a flagrant lack of historical understanding."

Huh? They aligned themselves with the Nazis before 1948.

On March 1, 1944, in a radio broadcast to the Arab people from Berlin, the Mufti stated: "Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor." The Mufti initiated some of the most virulently pro-Nazi and Jew-hating broadcasts in history

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: dahunan
Murdering children in a school is so much more moralistic than those scummy terrorists.. The Israelis used advanced weaponry... so their morality must be advanced too

You don't seem to get it. Israel is targeting terrorists, who often locate in populated areas.
The Palestinians are trying to kill jews, any jew, women , children or old and disabled.
Can you see the difference?

I think the Palestinians would much prefer to hit the Israeli terrorists in their planes or tanks instead of old disabled peopel.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: marincounty

"Arabs had plenty of chance thought history to kill far more Jews than they ever have. Your attempts to paint them as Nazis show a flagrant lack of historical understanding."

Huh? They aligned themselves with the Nazis before 1948.

On March 1, 1944, in a radio broadcast to the Arab people from Berlin, the Mufti stated: "Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor." The Mufti initiated some of the most virulently pro-Nazi and Jew-hating broadcasts in history

Uh, um...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_gang

Contact with Nazi authorities

German cover letter from January 11 1941 attached to a description of an offer for an alliance with Nazi Germany attributed to Lehi.

In 1940, Lehi proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in "evacuating"[vague] the Jews of Europe, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik was sent to Beirut where he met the German official Werner Otto von Hentig. Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations.

On the assumption that the destruction of Britain was the Germans' top objective, the organization offered cooperation in the following terms: From the NMO side: full cooperation in sabotage, espionage and intelligence and up to wide military operations in the Middle East and in eastern Europe anywhere where the Irgun had Jewish cells, active and trained and in some places with weapons. From the German side, the following declarations and actions were demanded: (1) Full recognition of an independent Jewish state in Palestine/Eretz Israel (2) That the ability to emigrate to Palestine be conceded to all Jews, with no restriction of numbers, who, in leaving their homes in Europe, by their own will or because of government injunctions. For this purpose there was expressed a need to cancel any transfer plans of Jews to distant countries like Madagascar.

On January 11, 1941 a letter was sent from Vice Admiral Ralf von der Marwitz, the German Naval attaché in Ankara, depicting an offer to "actively take part in the war on Germany's side" in return for German support for "the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich".[17][18] There are three possibilities as to how the offer reached the German Naval attaché in Ankara. One is that en route to Germany, von Hentig was delayed in Ankara and delivered his version of the offer orally to von der Marwitz and von der Marwitz wrote the letter using his words. The second is that Colombani (a general in French intelligence) invented the offer because of personal rivalry between himself and other Vichy officials: this rivalry is known from a paragraph in von der Marwitz' letter, "Colombani is of the opinion that his return to France is a consequence of co-operation of Conti with Minister Pierroton", or, third, that Colombani wanted the offer to fail: he had co-operated with the Mufti of Jerusalem in Lebanon in 1938-1939 and was also the one who took him in his car through Syria to the Iraqi border in 1939.

In any case, von der Marwitz delivered the offer, classified as secret, to the German Ambassador in Turkey and on January 21, 1941 it was sent to Berlin. There was never any response. Von Hentig would later say that he believed it was important to help the Jews establish a country. [19] [20]

What's terrorism, precious?

Zionist Nazi collaborators went on to become holders of some of the highest political offices in Israel.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: marincounty
Huh?

Try reading the my post again, all of it.

And the Mohammad Amin al-Husayni aligning himself and some followers with the Nazis isn't the "the Arabs", just as Avraham Stern and his followers attempting to ally with the Nazis against the British isn't "the Jews":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._with_Nazi_authorities