Wreckage (landing gear) from 9/11 found between buildings.

[wirednuts]

It was most likely under tens of thousands of tons of unstable rubble. It's not really a stretch because even today an unexploded bomb from ww2v is found in Europe.

wedged between two buildings though... it does seem weird to me.

the black boxes though, i mean they cooked in a fire hot enough to bring down the world trade centers by melting their structural beams. i would imagine those boxes are just a pile of goo.

 

[Theb]

From the picture I don't think I would've thought that was anything noteworthy if I saw it in an alley. I'm not surprised it wasn't discovered.

 

[LunarRay]

Is it? Why? I don't see the need to spend any money searching for parts of bodies of people that we know are long dead. I don't see any need or reason to do that for the families of the victims. It isn't the same as a son or daughter that goes missing for 12 years with never a body to be found.

It seems we still work to find body parts of folks missing in action from our various wars in order to give closure to the families as well as to 'bring them home'. I think of it as a reasonable thing to do.

I'm sure there are members of the families who couldn't care less but for those that do care I'd support some sort of reasonable second look... or third or fourth or what ever it might be.

 

[LunarRay]

wedged between two buildings though... it does seem weird to me.

the black boxes though, i mean they cooked in a fire hot enough to bring down the world trade centers by melting their structural beams. i would imagine those boxes are just a pile of goo.

I'm reluctant to start debating the temperature needed to melt metal and if that could be reached from the tower fires...
The issue is: Can the previously un-found landing gear bits of the two flights find there way to obscure places? There would not be much of a fire issue involved with that. And the FDR and VDR of the flights may have been found. I'd not expect to find much of the aircrafts bits or the humans in the debris radius of the towers proper... I would expect to find them within the Cone of Particulates and wouldn't be surprised to learn they were some 300 to 500 meters away from the towers.

 

[nightspydk]

Don't5 know where to post but you cannot do me shit youuinderstand?

 

[Triumph]

Don't5 know where to post but you cannot do me shit youuinderstand?

Why is this thread attracting all of the people who cannot speak English?

 

[wirednuts]

I'm reluctant to start debating the temperature needed to melt metal and if that could be reached from the tower fires...
The issue is: Can the previously un-found landing gear bits of the two flights find there way to obscure places? There would not be much of a fire issue involved with that. And the FDR and VDR of the flights may have been found. I'd not expect to find much of the aircrafts bits or the humans in the debris radius of the towers proper... I would expect to find them within the Cone of Particulates and wouldn't be surprised to learn they were some 300 to 500 meters away from the towers.

it wasnt just a building fire. it was a full tank of jet fuel too.

 

[LunarRay]

it wasnt just a building fire. it was a full tank of jet fuel too.

Not too much difference in the heat energy created from Jet fuel and the office stuffs burning and the fuel had to burn up (that which was actually inside the tower) rather quickly... fuel does that kind of thing...

But, again... It is not about burning or melting titanium, molybdenum or what ever else is in those struts. It is about where they might have secreted themselves. They ought not be in the building debris radius but if they were by some act of congress then fine... they should have been found way back when...

As an aside, you'd need some really hot source to melt the landing gear bits... and it was not a full tank of fuel... The planes were aloft quite awhile.

 

[LunarRay]

IF this link works ... they found plane bits of flight UA 175 near the site of the current find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Trade_Center,_NY_-_2001-09-11_-_Debris_Impact_Areas.svg




"During the recovery process, small fragments were identified from some passengers on Flight 175, including a six-inch piece of bone belonging to Peter Hanson, and small bone fragments of Lisa Frost. Remains of many others aboard Flight 175 were never recovered."

 

[wirednuts]

its a little harsh to say this, but it would have been cool to have high speed cameras on board, and watch the crash in slow motion from inside the passenger cabin.

 

[LunarRay]

its a little harsh to say this, but it would have been cool to have high speed cameras on board, and watch the crash in slow motion from inside the passenger cabin.

Well, I suppose it would be something of interest to someone wanting to witness what the passengers saw as they banked left and saw the towers before them... I seem to recall a simulation of the flight from a pilot perspective if you have some interest but I have no idea where that exists.

My interest is purely physics... That aircraft (767) can weigh anywhere from 160 to 225 tons and going 590 mph created one hell of a force on that structure. I wanted to know how much of that energy continued on out of the structure.

 

[JTsyo]

Not too much difference in the heat energy created from Jet fuel and the office stuffs burning and the fuel had to burn up (that which was actually inside the tower) rather quickly... fuel does that kind of thing...

But, again... It is not about burning or melting titanium, molybdenum or what ever else is in those struts. It is about where they might have secreted themselves. They ought not be in the building debris radius but if they were by some act of congress then fine... they should have been found way back when...

As an aside, you'd need some really hot source to melt the landing gear bits... and it was not a full tank of fuel... The planes were aloft quite awhile.

Boston to NY would only be a small fraction of a 767's fuel capacity.

Also fuel doesn't burn all at once, just where is has access to air. I haven't seen anything on how the fuel was dispersed in the crash, if most stayed in the tank or was spread out in the building.

 

[Oyeve]

I am wondering why there is a rope on this piece. It looks like someone may have dragged this into the alley. Unless its a thick metal landing gear cable of some sort.

 

[WHAMPOM]

It was "found" and dismissed as trash/scrap at the time. Either that or some one stashed it in hopes of future$$$ value and chickened out and finally dumped it.

 

[LunarRay]

Boston to NY would only be a small fraction of a 767's fuel capacity.

Also fuel doesn't burn all at once, just where is has access to air. I haven't seen anything on how the fuel was dispersed in the crash, if most stayed in the tank or was spread out in the building.

Well, if you view the video(s) you might see a considerable ball of fire outside the buildings. That ball of fire is fuel from the jets. It is estimated that both jets had about 10,000 gallons of fuel upon impact. The various fuel tanks were ripped apart (no duh) and the fuel exploded in the impact area as well as flowed down even to the main lobby and below.

Fuel is liquid and then expands to form a gas if it can.... It could to some extent as depicted in the 'fire ball'.

But, look at the picture I posted above. It shows where the other plane bits were found... 51 Park Place is not too far from 45 Park Place where other plane bits were found... I don't think some 'truther' placed the newly found plane bit between the two buildings for some nefarious reason.... It simply was not found during the recovery efforts... I assume atm.

 

[HelpWithWoL]

Super weird!