Wow what a mean substitute teacher!

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: sundevb

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: sundevb
Isn't 7 a little old to still believe in Santa? Though I still think she is a total bitch for saying that to the kids.
That being said, I think the parents should break it to the kids before then.

You don;t have kids do you?

No, I don't have kids. But I have siblings that were around that age a few years ago. They more or less figured it out on their own, and knew there was no Santa by age 5 (and therefore the younger one also knew there was no Santa at age 4). The reason some kids get so upset when someone tells them Santa isn't real is because their parents make such a big deal about him.

Bingo. It's the parents' fault, not the teacher's.

Edit >> The parents over-reacted just like the child did.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i have a hard time believing that when we enroll our children into a public school that we give up all rights to what that child is told, taught and brought up as far as moral, beliefs and culture goes. i also have a hard time believing that this teacher did it for the good of her own conscience. i believe it was a purely spiteful move on her part.

there are millions of teachers in this country that do not believe in praying to a statue, or believe in Jesus, and millions that think praying to the east and counting the rosary will do no good. that should not give them the right to tell their pupils what goes against what their parents want them to believe.

then again... i also believe back when schools were meant to teach kids reading, writing, Math and Science... instead of focusing on social good will... we were a lot better off scholastically. A lot less grief, too.

If people didn't have beliefs, just ideas, the world would be so much simpler.

 

[LookingGlass]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: sundevb

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: sundevb
Isn't 7 a little old to still believe in Santa? Though I still think she is a total bitch for saying that to the kids.
That being said, I think the parents should break it to the kids before then.

You don;t have kids do you?

No, I don't have kids. But I have siblings that were around that age a few years ago. They more or less figured it out on their own, and knew there was no Santa by age 5 (and therefore the younger one also knew there was no Santa at age 4). The reason some kids get so upset when someone tells them Santa isn't real is because their parents make such a big deal about him.

Bingo. It's the parents' fault, not the teacher's.

You can apply that thinking to so many other things too. You freak out, get all paranoid about a subject, that in of itself, makes it all taboo. Kid wants to know what's up, trouble starts.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: Eghck

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Eghck

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
what an absolute bitch.

it is not the point of whether or not there is a santa claus.

it is not her place, and she has no right, to do that to the children. if she has a problem teaching stuff that she knows if false, she should work in a bank or something, NOT deal with little kids.

I hope something happens to her that breaks her heart, just like she did to those little kids.

:|

Homeschool is the only answer if you don't want people teaching your children things you don't agree with.

I don't see teachers explicitly explaining how babies are born when younger children say it's from the Stork, or from Mommy's belly. They just let it go until there's a time and place for it.

There is no reason why the teacher couldn't just let this go.

I think kids should learn from as soon as they want to know about sex. Lieing to your kids is not the answer. Most cultures don't hide sex. This is a quirk of western culture.

So you'd have no problem teaching Sex Ed to 6 year olds?

No. That the way I was raised. No illusions about anything. Also no religion, and when a pet died, I was told they were truly dead. And I turned out fine.

Every child is different.

So your suggesting we harbor emotional weekness in our children?

not at all, but you can't apply the same methods to every child. I was pretty much responding to your comment that the way you were raised resulted in you turning out fine. I had pretty strict parents, and I like to think I turned out alright also. But the parenting methods my parents used on me weren't the same ones used on my siblings and I think they turned out alright as well. Its why you have to be more patient with some kids that others, not everyone learns at the same pace.

I still think all children should know as much as possible about everything as soon as possible. I don't think we should nurture intilectual or emotional or social or developemental weakness in our children.

 

[shilala]

I'd still hit it. 😛

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Tick

I still think all children should know as much as possible about everything as soon as possible. I don't think we should nurture intilectual or emotional or social or developemental weakness in our children.

So natural development and the varying rate at which it happens amongst children is a weakness?

Why don't we just go ahead and remove the varying degree of it and start cloning elite physical, social, and emotional specimens?

 

[LookingGlass]

Tick? Do you have kids? You have no clue. You don't.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: LookingGlass
Tick? Do you have kids? You have no clue. You don't.

No, I don't. I do have siblings, and was once a kid myself. Hence, I have an opinion.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

I still think all children should know as much as possible about everything as soon as possible. I don't think we should nurture intilectual or emotional or social or developemental weakness in our children.

So natural development and the varying rate at which it happens amongst children is a weakness?

Why don't we just go ahead and remove the varying degree of it and start cloning elite physical, social, and emotional specimens?

I support eugenics.

 

[LookingGlass]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

I still think all children should know as much as possible about everything as soon as possible. I don't think we should nurture intilectual or emotional or social or developemental weakness in our children.

So natural development and the varying rate at which it happens amongst children is a weakness?

Why don't we just go ahead and remove the varying degree of it and start cloning elite physical, social, and emotional specimens?

Isn't that already being done? Hah. Oh mini adults comes to mind, but, on second thought, let's go back to raising kids.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

I still think all children should know as much as possible about everything as soon as possible. I don't think we should nurture intilectual or emotional or social or developemental weakness in our children.

So natural development and the varying rate at which it happens amongst children is a weakness?

Why don't we just go ahead and remove the varying degree of it and start cloning elite physical, social, and emotional specimens?

I support eugenics.

If eugenics were a solid theory and practiced extensively in place before you were conceived, you probably would've been flushed down the toilet or thrown out in a bathroom garbage pail.

 

[Neurorelay]

In the end there a proponents for either side; parent's duty or school's duty. One poster had it correct, tact if anything, was needed in this situation. A teachers duty only goes so far as to meet the educational objectives set forth by the state and US government. With this in mind, you can call ateention to habits that would deter from those educational goals, but ones religious belief, personal beliefs should not be doubted or swayed, seperation of church and state.

In the end, she would have found out anyways, just sooner then some people feel she should have and from someone they didn't want telling her. But honestly, how many parents these days actually sit down and tell there children there is no santa claus, they find out in media pretty darn quickly.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

I still think all children should know as much as possible about everything as soon as possible. I don't think we should nurture intilectual or emotional or social or developemental weakness in our children.

So natural development and the varying rate at which it happens amongst children is a weakness?

Why don't we just go ahead and remove the varying degree of it and start cloning elite physical, social, and emotional specimens?

I support eugenics.

If eugenics were a solid theory and practiced extensively in place before you were conceived, you probably would've been flushed down the toilet or thrown out in a bathroom garbage pail.

Eugenics /= abbortion. Logically you either use genectic manipulation or selective breeding.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i have a hard time believing that when we enroll our children into a public school that we give up all rights to what that child is told, taught and brought up as far as moral, beliefs and culture goes. i also have a hard time believing that this teacher did it for the good of her own conscience. i believe it was a purely spiteful move on her part.

there are millions of teachers in this country that do not believe in praying to a statue, or believe in Jesus, and millions that think praying to the east and counting the rosary will do no good. that should not give them the right to tell their pupils what goes against what their parents want them to believe.

then again... i also believe back when schools were meant to teach kids reading, writing, Math and Science... instead of focusing on social good will... we were a lot better off scholastically. A lot less grief, too.

If people didn't have beliefs, just ideas, the world would be so much simpler.

yes, and with all due respect... you are free to hold that standard with your family and children. but i fail to see where that would give you the right to infringe that on every one else and their children.

i am a bit older that most here... but it alarms to me see how little control parents have over their children and how they are raised. there is no longer a netruality or level of respect anymore. not where the family is concerned. At least this is my observation.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
what an absolute bitch.

it is not the point of whether or not there is a santa claus.

it is not her place, and she has no right, to do that to the children. if she has a problem teaching stuff that she knows if false, she should work in a bank or something, NOT deal with little kids.

I hope something happens to her that breaks her heart, just like she did to those little kids.

:|

Homeschool is the only answer if you don't want people teaching your children things you don't agree with.

I don't see teachers explicitly explaining how babies are born when younger children say it's from the Stork, or from Mommy's belly. They just let it go until there's a time and place for it.

There is no reason why the teacher couldn't just let this go.

I think kids should learn from as soon as they want to know about sex. Lieing to your kids is not the answer. Most cultures don't hide sex. This is a quirk of western culture.

So you'd have no problem teaching Sex Ed to 6 year olds?

Prove that God doesn't exist.

Yea... thought so.

 

[LookingGlass]

I do agree with you there Karen about parents, and how kids are today. So much lack of respect you get to witness.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: JS80
That there's no Santa Claus!!

:shocked:

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i have a hard time believing that when we enroll our children into a public school that we give up all rights to what that child is told, taught and brought up as far as moral, beliefs and culture goes. i also have a hard time believing that this teacher did it for the good of her own conscience. i believe it was a purely spiteful move on her part.

there are millions of teachers in this country that do not believe in praying to a statue, or believe in Jesus, and millions that think praying to the east and counting the rosary will do no good. that should not give them the right to tell their pupils what goes against what their parents want them to believe.

then again... i also believe back when schools were meant to teach kids reading, writing, Math and Science... instead of focusing on social good will... we were a lot better off scholastically. A lot less grief, too.

Well tell the parents to f*ckin do their jobs! I know this 22 year old girl who just had her third child and no father is present. Guess who will have to teach this child manners, respect and so on.

You guessed it. The schools.

 

[Neurorelay]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: JS80
That there's no Santa Claus!!

:shocked:

Good gawd, namby pamby family to say the least. Life is tough and things will happen get over it and have the best christmas you can, she is six, young enough to forget about the whole thing.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: tec699

Well tell the parents to f*ckin do their jobs! I know this 22 year old girl who just had her third child and no father is present. Guess who will have to teach this child manners, respect and so on.

You guessed it. The schools.

I do not disagree with you.

But... I do not think that taking all parental options away from all parents because of the ones that are lacking the proper skills/effort is the way to go.

nothing good has ever come from punishing the massess for the shortcomings of a few.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
what an absolute bitch.

it is not the point of whether or not there is a santa claus.

it is not her place, and she has no right, to do that to the children. if she has a problem teaching stuff that she knows if false, she should work in a bank or something, NOT deal with little kids.

I hope something happens to her that breaks her heart, just like she did to those little kids.

:|

Homeschool is the only answer if you don't want people teaching your children things you don't agree with.

I don't see teachers explicitly explaining how babies are born when younger children say it's from the Stork, or from Mommy's belly. They just let it go until there's a time and place for it.

There is no reason why the teacher couldn't just let this go.

I think kids should learn from as soon as they want to know about sex. Lieing to your kids is not the answer. Most cultures don't hide sex. This is a quirk of western culture.

So you'd have no problem teaching Sex Ed to 6 year olds?

Prove that God doesn't exist.

Yea... thought so.

Put the crack pipe down.

Your statement has nothing to do with anything I posted.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Tick

I still think all children should know as much as possible about everything as soon as possible. I don't think we should nurture intilectual or emotional or social or developemental weakness in our children.

So natural development and the varying rate at which it happens amongst children is a weakness?

Why don't we just go ahead and remove the varying degree of it and start cloning elite physical, social, and emotional specimens?

I support eugenics.

If eugenics were a solid theory and practiced extensively in place before you were conceived, you probably would've been flushed down the toilet or thrown out in a bathroom garbage pail.

Eugenics /= abbortion. Logically you either use genectic manipulation or selective breeding.

Who said anything about abortion? Birth control is also another form of eugenics. Your parents probably would've been forced to use a condomn, or some other use of birth control to prevent you from being born.

Unless of course, you're of a strand of superior genetics. Which I highly doubt.

Also, an off-topic question. Do you support a government that has complete control over the people which it controls?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Tick
So your suggesting we harbor emotional weekness in our children?

Who are you, Nietzsche re-born?

ZV

 

[Skunkwourk]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Eghck

Originally posted by: Tick

So your suggesting we harbor emotional weekness in our children?

not at all, but you can't apply the same methods to every child. I was pretty much responding to your comment that the way you were raised resulted in you turning out fine. I had pretty strict parents, and I like to think I turned out alright also. But the parenting methods my parents used on me weren't the same ones used on my siblings and I think they turned out alright as well. Its why you have to be more patient with some kids that others, not everyone learns at the same pace.

I still think all children should know as much as possible about everything as soon as possible. I don't think we should nurture intilectual or emotional or social or developemental weakness in our children.

I understand your intentions, but I wouldn't want my kids to have access to pornography or R rated movies "as soon as possible", even it if is to "educate" them. I guess I just feel that for the most part, since parents know their child better than anyone else, we should let the parents decide when and how to break the bad news...

 

[pcnerd37]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
what an absolute bitch.

it is not the point of whether or not there is a santa claus.

it is not her place, and she has no right, to do that to the children. if she has a problem teaching stuff that she knows if false, she should work in a bank or something, NOT deal with little kids.

I hope something happens to her that breaks her heart, just like she did to those little kids.

:|

It isnt a schools place to teach facts? I would much rather my tax money go to pay for schools that have the guts to teach facts instead of spewing out a bunch of lies and propaganda. If parents cant teach there kids some of the most basic truths about life, then somebody needs to before we end up with a whole new generation of idiots.