Wow! Way to nickle and dime us EA!! Madden 10 paid-for DLC cheats...

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: oznerol

Originally posted by: flashbacck
I'm not sure you know what a straw man argument is.

I'm fairly certain - and I mean this with the utmost respect - that he literally has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

No, I understand what a straw man argument is all too well.

Straw Man

"a fabricated or conveniently weak or innocuous person, object, matter, etc., used as a seeming adversary or argument: The issue she railed about was no more than a straw man. "

The argument presented was basically "LOL @ U whatever games cost $80 back in the day u noob!" I clearly proved that argument to be a straw man argument (as per the definition in the dictionary, a conveniently weak argument) because of the fact that there was no other choice; game cartridges cost a ton to manufacture, and a company HAD to account for that unavoidable cost if they wanted to make a console game back in the day. He was using that to justify game prices being jacked up nowadays, and I presented the argument that the cartridge cost factor could not be changed (which is true...they couldn't just randomly decide to publish on CD for a SNES game when game consoles didn't widely support CD until the PSOne era), and that development costs CAN be made more efficient/cost effective (which is also true).

So sorry, but the attempts to flippantly dismiss what I said have failed. 🙂

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
I can't wait till the day companies start charging bug fixes.

This day is coming, and all the evidence points to it happening soon, but the DLC apologists will deny it until they are blue in the face. Even on the day that it actually happens, they will still try to justify it.

You were saying something about a strawman earlier... ... ...

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
No, I understand what a straw man argument is all too well.

I agree, as the most egregious straw man arguments in this thread are from RyanPaulShaffer. He is building up this fantasy idea of the "DLC apologist" and vehemently arguing against it. The premises he keeps setting up and arguing against are claims that have not been made by anyone, and yet everyone gladly obliges his trolling and continues to fuel the fire.

I don't even necessarily disagree with what Ryan has to say, in general, but I certainly disagree with the over-generalization that there is only one type of DLC--malicious, cash-grabbing DLC. It's ignorant to think that all DLC is of the same ilk and that there couldn't possibly be any that is meaningful and worthy of a purchase.

Might as well look at all of the terrible games out there and conclude that all video games are hopelessly terrible. Let's stop playing them.

 

[viivo]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: ChaoZ

Originally posted by: viivo

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08...-separately-if-you-bu/

Dragon Age is going to screw over used game buyers.

How so? Not everybody who trades the game will use the code. It's as simple as opening the case in Gamestop and seeing if the card is still intact. I got Gears of War 2 with an unused flash back map pack and golden hammerburst gun code cards from Gamestop. At least three other GoW2s on the shelf had unused flashback pack cards as well.

Cause it's part of the game: "The Stone Prisoner" will consist of "new environments, items, and hours of additional gameplay." I don't care if they offered you non-essential extras like making-of videos and such.

I can't wait till the day companies start charging bug fixes.

This day is coming, and all the evidence points to it happening soon, but the DLC apologists will deny it until they are blue in the face. Even on the day that it actually happens, they will still try to justify it.

"Halo 4 Gameplay Enrichment Experience Pack - Download this pack now for $6.25/500 MS points to vastly improve and enrich your Halo gaming experience!*^

*Please note that the Halo 4 Gameplay Enrichment Experience Pack does not contain any new content and only corrects/'enhances' currently implemented content.

^Halo 4 Gameplay Enrichment Experience Pack is now required for online multiplayer."

Oh boy, I can't wait!

:roll:

Cool post, brah. RON PAUL '08!

Deep breaths, Ryan. It's just a video game.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
No, I understand what a straw man argument is all too well.

I agree, as the most egregious straw man arguments in this thread are from RyanPaulShaffer. He is building up this fantasy idea of the "DLC apologist" and vehemently arguing against it. The premises he keeps setting up and arguing against are claims that have not been made by anyone, and yet everyone gladly obliges his trolling and continues to fuel the fire.

I don't even necessarily disagree with what Ryan has to say, in general, but I certainly disagree with the over-generalization that there is only one type of DLC--malicious, cash-grabbing DLC. It's ignorant to think that all DLC is of the same ilk and that there couldn't possibly be any that is meaningful and worthy of a purchase.

Might as well look at all of the terrible games out there and conclude that all video games are hopelessly terrible. Let's stop playing them.

I never said all DLC was bad. Where did I plainly say, "All DLC is bad, all of it, every single DLC piece!" Please, provide links to back up your claims. My posting history is available for all to see.

For example, I buy Rock Band tracks every now and then, but that's about the extent of my DLC purchases.

The "DLC Apologists" I am talking about are the ones who shrug their shoulders and try and justify the trend that is clearly forming with DLC, as the subject of this threat aptly proves.

Finally, I just absolutely love how someone who has a viewpoint which is not "in-line" with the majority is automatically labeled a troll.

:roll:

Edit:

R Nilla, also please explain how, in a thread titled "Wow! Way to nickle and dime us EA!! Madden paid-for DLC cheats...", talking about companies nickle-and-diming us with paid DLC is "trolling"?

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: mugs
Well, I guess if we're only really worried about DLC that only exists in your imagination, we don't have much to discuss here. 😕

This sums the thread up, though I disagree that we don't have much to discuss here. I love discussing imaginary conspiracy theories.

I just pre-ordered Halo 17 - cost me $87. It's just a plastic case with a letter inside that says "Fuck you" on it. I tried putting the letter in my Xbox but it wouldn't play - the 360 didn't RRoD on me, though. The DLC section had a lot of content. I could buy Master Chief for $17 (1360 MS Points), guns for $8 each, bullets for $8 (10 clips of 300), and each level is $12. I really like the options DLC gives me - maybe I don't want to use guns in the game - and if I don't, I save $8. It's win/win. I'm a bit concerned by them charging me $2 per save, though. I might need to start an online petition to voice my opinion.

This slippery slope is fun! It's like a fun slide!

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Finally, I just absolutely love how someone who has a viewpoint which is not "in-line" with the majority is automatically labeled a troll.

:roll:

Edit:

R Nilla, also please explain how, in a thread titled "Wow! Way to nickle and dime us EA!! Madden paid-for DLC cheats...", talking about companies nickle-and-diming us with paid DLC is "trolling"?

Gladly. I am not calling you a troll because of your opinion, I am calling you a troll because you present your claims with deliberately provacative rhetoric and because you largely ignore counter arguments and challenges to your claims with straw man arguments, phrases like "cool story, bro" and emoticons.

I think, to some extent, that you have completely valid and interesting points of discussion to share, as I alluded to earlier, but you present them in a way that makes it difficult to discuss in a civil matter. That's merely my take.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: oznerol

Originally posted by: mugs
Well, I guess if we're only really worried about DLC that only exists in your imagination, we don't have much to discuss here. 😕

This sums the thread up, though I disagree that we don't have much to discuss here. I love discussing imaginary conspiracy theories.

I just pre-ordered Halo 17 - cost me $87. It's just a plastic case with a letter inside that says "Fuck you" on it. I tried putting the letter in my Xbox but it wouldn't play - the 360 didn't RRoD on me, though. The DLC section had a lot of content. I could buy Master Chief for $17 (1360 MS Points), guns for $8 each, bullets for $8 (10 clips of 300), and each level is $12. I really like the options DLC gives me - maybe I don't want to use guns in the game - and if I don't, I save $8. It's win/win. I'm a bit concerned by them charging me $2 per save, though. I might need to start an online petition to voice my opinion.

This slippery slope is fun! It's like a fun slide!

You win the thread

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: oznerol

Originally posted by: mugs
Well, I guess if we're only really worried about DLC that only exists in your imagination, we don't have much to discuss here. 😕

This sums the thread up, though I disagree that we don't have much to discuss here. I love discussing imaginary conspiracy theories.

I just pre-ordered Halo 17 - cost me $87. It's just a plastic case with a letter inside that says "Fuck you" on it. I tried putting the letter in my Xbox but it wouldn't play - the 360 didn't RRoD on me, though. The DLC section had a lot of content. I could buy Master Chief for $17 (1360 MS Points), guns for $8 each, bullets for $8 (10 clips of 300), and each level is $12. I really like the options DLC gives me - maybe I don't want to use guns in the game - and if I don't, I save $8. It's win/win. I'm a bit concerned by them charging me $2 per save, though. I might need to start an online petition to voice my opinion.

This slippery slope is fun! It's like a fun slide!

ill sign your petition for $9.95.