Wow TSA random road block like DUI checkpoints?

[alkemyst]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13KLp4aoOq0&feature=youtu.be

 

[conehead433]

Including random searches? WTF? If you should go through one of these tell them to get a fucking warrant if they want to search your car.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

We tolerate these mouth breathing government stooges groping children and old people just for the privilege of flying on an airplane, random searches on the highways hardly seems worse.

 

[IGBT]

can't wait till all you's dopers get the shake down. Random. Anytime. Any place.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Repost - forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2200144

 

[CLite]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13KLp4aoOq0&feature=youtu.be

When anti-terrorism police state policies get to the point that you are doing random stops in Tennessee of all places it's past the point of no return.

 

[Ronstang]

When anti-terrorism police state policies get to the point that you are doing random stops in Tennessee of all places it's past the point of no return.

It's never past the point of no return. It simply reaches a point where it will not be reversed without violence is all.

 

[alkemyst]

can't wait till all you's dopers get the shake down. Random. Anytime. Any place.

You realize you are part of accepting the police stopping, detaining and searching you illegally.

We have grown accustomed to think those that fight this are the 'bad guy'.

Soon it will be easy for the old "Please show me your papers." and our officers will be conditioned to think they are doing nothing wrong.

Our legal experts are confirming this mentality.

Even at airports now, post TSA search they are also conducting random searches at the gate/terminal. You must open your carry on and allow them to recheck it.

Don't think you will be immune because you never go out, soon we will learn to accept the police going door to door.

 

[alkemyst]

Repost - forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2200144

It would be a necro at this time...not many paid attention to it the first time.

 

[leper84]

Yeah, go ahead and vote for Obama or Romney. See what difference that makes.


But Ron Paul is too crazy, right? Federal Gestapo patrolling sovereign American streets but Ron Paul is too crazy!

 

[conehead433]

Yeah, go ahead and vote for Obama or Romney. See what difference that makes.


But Ron Paul is too crazy, right? Federal Gestapo patrolling sovereign American streets but Ron Paul is too crazy!

'They Live' - What a classic movie directed by John Carpenter, starring Roddy Piper.

 

[Venix]

These searches are only for commercial trucks, not cars. Some states allow random, warrantless inspections of commercial vehicles.

The only unique part of this story is that the mall cop rejects from the TSA were involved. It's usually just highway patrol conducting the inspections. This has been occurring for decades.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Most TSa agents are people who couldn`t make it as security guards or even law enforcement personnel

 

[OCGuy]

"Terrorism" is the new "kiddie porn". You attach those taboos to any bill, and it passes automatically.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Shoot them in the head when they try to stop you. It will stop in a week.

 

[Dude111]

Including random searches? WTF? If you should go through one of these tell them to get a fucking warrant if they want to search your car.

Exactly what everyone should do!!!!!


STAND UP TO THESE FUCKERS!!!!

 

[Craig234]

STAND UP TO THESE FUCKERS!!!!

Shoot them in the head when they try to stop you. It will stop in a week.

Yes, imagine you spent hours a day in a roadblock just to move a few miles.

Think there might be some violent rebellion against the 'tyranny'?

Great - if some people did some violent resistance, they'd have the grounds for justifying more permanent measures because of the proven 'threat of terrorism'.

If it's good enough for the Palestinians, it's good enough for us, right?

Amazing how people will say 'who cares' if we back it for others, but not for us.

Didn't take long for the violent talk to start for next to nothing - talk about minor checkpoints - compared to the burden we support for Palestinians.

 

[alkemyst]

These searches are only for commercial trucks, not cars. Some states allow random, warrantless inspections of commercial vehicles.

The only unique part of this story is that the mall cop rejects from the TSA were involved. It's usually just highway patrol conducting the inspections. This has been occurring for decades.

I think your first statement is not true. I believe there is a 'warrantless' clause but there are only specific agents that can do this and there must be probably cause (not random). Also what I have seen it's not full access to the vehicle.

The police have never been roadblocking a weigh station and inspecting all trucks.

 

[boochi]

'They Live' - What a classic movie directed by John Carpenter, starring Roddy Piper.

 

[alkemyst]

Most people think DUI road blocks won't happen to them because they are in before 9pm usually and not near night-spots where drinking is popular. Same with the trucker situation. So it makes them happy or gives them a false sense of security that someone else's rights are violated, but their's are safe.

Now that we have equipped cops with tasers, that's happening all the freaking time. Cops weren't going down in droves before. They could and rarely used their batons. Now we have cops dealing out 'tazer punishment' because off camera it's hard to prove.

Since we have allowed them to shoot pets that may be 'threatening', cops are shooting dogs left and right. Many police stations have more than 1 dog per day shot. Prior to the laws hardly ever did a dog need to be shot.

People are accepting it, thinking those 'criminals' should be punished more. However, many of these dogs were shot when a cop was just stopping for directions, to ask a few questions of witnesseses or the worst; got the wrong house.

There have been dogs shot in cages, tied up, shot and the dog ran away alive yet the officer hunted it down in front of the family to finish the job.

Each day this happens and no one cares because we all tend to think like islands.

In Palm Beach they put down their own gun laws. The Supreme Court heard the case and deemed it unconstitutional. The country is not honoring that. It's out of control.

 

[cybrsage]

Most people think DUI road blocks won't happen to them because they are in before 9pm usually and not near night-spots where drinking is popular. Same with the trucker situation. So it makes them happy or gives them a false sense of security that someone else's rights are violated, but their's are safe.

There are no rights violations by DUI road blocks.

Excerpts From Supreme Court's Decision Upholding Sobriety Checkpoints


Special to The New York Times
Published: June 15, 1990
Following are excerpts from the Supreme Court's 6-to-3 decision today upholding sobriety checkpoints as constitutional. Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist wrote the majority opinion. Justice Harry A. Blackmun wrote a separate concurring opinion. Justices William J. Brennan and John Paul Stevens both filed dissenting opinions.


Conversely, the weight bearing on the other scale - the measure of the intrusion on motorists stopped briefly at sobriety checkpoints - is slight. We reached a similar conclusion as to the intrusion on motorists subjected to a brief stop at a highway checkpoint for detecting illegal aliens. See [U.S. v.] Martinez-Fuerte [1976] . We see virtually no difference between the levels of intrusion on law-abiding motorists from the brief stops necessary to the effectuation of these two types of checkpoints, which to the average motorist would seem identical save for the nature of the questions the checkpoint officers might ask.

In sum, the balance of the state's interest in preventing drunken driving, the extent to which this system can reasonably be said to advance that interest, and the degree of intrusion upon individual motorists who are briefly stopped, weighs in favor of the state program. We therefore hold that it is consistent with the Fourth Amendment. . . .
By Justice Blackmun,

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/15/u...-decision-upholding-sobriety-checkpoints.html

In the same ruling, they also said this:

In Delaware v. Prouse, we disapproved random stops made by Delaware Highway Patrol officers in an effort to apprehend unlicensed drivers and unsafe vehicles. We observed that no empirical evidence indicated that such stops would be an effective means of promoting roadway safety and said that ''it seems common sense that the percentage of all drivers on the road who are driving without a license is very small and that the number of licensed drivers who will be stopped in order to find one unlicensed operator will be large indeed.'' We observed that the random stops involved the ''kind of standardless and unconstrained discretion [which] is the evil the Court has discerned when in previous cases it has insisted that the discretion of the official in the field be circumscribed, at least to some extent.'' We went on to state that our holding did not ''cast doubt on the permissibility of roadside truck weigh-stations and inspection checkpoints, at which some vehicles may be subject to further detention for safety and regulatory inspection than are others.''

So this shows checking trucks which are already stopped at a truck weigh station is also not a violation of rights.

 

[waggy]

sadly cybersage is right. the courts have already ruled random DUI checkpoints valid. So the next logical step is random "terrorism" checkpoints. Where they get to make sure you don't have any bombs in the car.

Face facts. US lost the war. We gave up rights in the name of "safety".

 

[Zargon]

sadly cybersage is right. the courts have already ruled random DUI checkpoints valid. So the next logical step is random "terrorism" checkpoints. Where they get to make sure you don't have any bombs in the car.

Face facts. US lost the war. We gave up rights in the name of "safety".

he is correct but it is not RIGHT.

 

[Linflas]

We tolerate these mouth breathing government stooges groping children and old people just for the privilege of flying on an airplane, random searches on the highways hardly seems worse.

Cue the "I don't have anything to hide" pinheads.

 

[alkemyst]

sadly cybersage is right. the courts have already ruled random DUI checkpoints valid. So the next logical step is random "terrorism" checkpoints. Where they get to make sure you don't have any bombs in the car.

Face facts. US lost the war. We gave up rights in the name of "safety".

The COURTS ruled AGAINST the constitution. That was my point and here you guys are saying "well they made it legal."

It's a rights violation no matter how LEGAL they have made it.

Just like the whole Patriot Act deal. The fearful cried DO IT!