One more thing:
Seeing a US Marine give attitude to a Navy Jag Officer is strangely familiar to me.
I wonder where I've seen that before?
Seeing a US Marine give attitude to a Navy Jag Officer is strangely familiar to me.
I wonder where I've seen that before?
i think you're missing the point. simply because the US constitution doesn't apply to Iran doesn't imply that its message or meaning shouldn't be applied. if you believe in the constitution, then you hold a set of moral values that should be upheld regardless of location (and to some degree, vice versa).
I agree that we can't carry it to the extreme they did there. I am saying, BASED ON THEIR LAW HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED. We can not and should not bring up our constitution as it is related to this case. Should our criminals be punished harsher and more quickly? YES! Should we allow public executions where the public participates? NO!
That's besides the point. I'll state it more generally. Just because one country has accepted laws doesn't make them just. If you are a US Marine, then I hope your definition of "just" is reflective of the US Constitution.
Me?
I can handle the truth. The truth is this scumbag got what he deserved based on their laws. The truth is this would not happen here because we are supposedly a little more civilized. The truth is Mr. DonVito still has no idea who I am or what I do. So to say I don't know what I am talking about is him just spewing nonsense to make himself look better. I don't care that he prosecuted scumbag child molesters, did he ever look a murderer in the eye???
How is that for truth?
OK, let me clear a few things up. Yes I am a Marine. Yes my definition of "just" is reflective of the constitution. My original post was in response to the scumbag who IMO got what he deserved. I in no way believe we should stoop to Iranian justice. It is just they do things differently. I can't stand child molesters and I can't stand child murderers. I think he got what he deserved. Morals aside. Anyone who thinks he was treated wrongly has the soul-searching to do. What he did to those kids was way more disgusting than anything that happened to him.
That is my whole point. What happened over there is NOT RELEVANT to our laws or constitution. That does not mean I think it is right or wrong, I only think it is justified under their laws, no matter how barbaric some think it is.
Yes, it is justified under their laws, but not under the Declaration of Human Rights.
I would read Article 5.
These two quotes are in opposition.
The first one says
A) That our system has nothing to do with this topic and
B) That we should not follow their example.
The second, earlier, one says that their approach is better than ours. That explicitly compares the two systems, and as such you brought the US constitution into this discussion.
It also puts the barbaric system in a positive light relative to ours.
I think that you should pick a position and stick to it.
Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
I could go on and on........
Point is there are a lot of flaws to this DHR. If everything was followed to the exact wording then there would be world peace and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Agreed the wording was bad. It should have read (the right way IN THIS CASE). As i have said, I HATE child molesters and child murderers. I think he got what he deserved. I do not think we should adopt those principles, but it sure would be interesting to see what happened to the crime rate if the possibility was there. To clarify, I am pro death penalty. Just not to that extreme, although I have no problem with what happened to him.
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No problem as far as I'm concerned. In fact I was a JAG attorney for six years, though I'm now a civilian. Fortunately the UCMJ was written using a lot more common sense than you've exhibited here today. Keep in mind you've sworn to protect and defend the Constitution, which includes a prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment.
Your rhetoric could use a lot of work, IMO. You flew off the handle and attacked me for expressing my opinion, then acted as though I did something wrong for coming back at you. In short, you've been a real jerk, for no apparent reason, yet you seem to think I should appreciate it.
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