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Wow- this Cracked.com article really hits home :(

Fritzo

Lifer
People here know my online persona- I'm Mr. Fritzo, the nice and funny guy. I'm like that in real life too. I'm the comedian that people like to bring to the party or have lunch with because I can get some chuckles out of you.

Well, the reason I'm doing that is because I'm incredibly socially awkward and uncomfortable in my own skin. Making people laugh is my defense mechanism. It distracts people from noticing how goofy I look, how untalented I was at playing sports, how poor was compared to the other kids in school...it was my shield in life. If you can make people laugh, they instantly like you, and the behavior becomes a habit because you don't know how else to make that happen.

With the death of Mr. Williams, there is a lot of "what happened?" analysis, but those of us that shared his type of personality know exactly what happened.

"Tears of a clown" is a real thing.

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/robin-williams-why-funny-people-kill-themselves/

Robin Williams and Why Funny People Kill Themselves

You ever have that funny friend, the class clown type, who one day just stopped being funny around you? Did it make you think they were depressed? Because it's far more likely that, in reality, that was the first time they were comfortable enough around you to drop the act.

The ones who kill themselves, well, they're funny right up to the end.

By now you know that Robin Williams has committed suicide, but I'm not here to talk about him. He's gone, and you're still here, and suicidal thoughts are so common among our readers and writers that our message board has a hidden section where moderators can coordinate responses to suicide threats. And in case you're wondering, no, that's not a joke -- I remember the first time John tracked down a guy's location and got an ambulance dispatched to his house. Then we all sat there, at four in the morning, waiting to hear if they got there in time (they did).

Because Cracked is driven by an army of aspiring comedy writer freelancers, the message boards are full of a certain personality type. And while I don't know what percentage of funny people suffer from depression, from a rough survey of the ones I know and work with, I'd say it's approximately "all of them." So when I hear some naive soul say, "Wow, how could a wacky guy like [insert famous dead comedian here] just [insert method of early self-destruction here]? He was always joking around and having a great time!", my only response is a blank stare.

That's honestly the equivalent of, "How can that cow be dead? She had to be healthy, because these hamburgers we made from her are delicious!"

So I don't know Robin Williams' situation, and I don't need to -- I can go scoop up an armload of examples without leaving my chair. As one of the head guys at Cracked, I'm surrounded by literally hundreds of comedy writers, and I inhabit the body of one. Kristi Harrison recently wrote about the psychological dark side of being funny, and was speaking from experience. Or, here's John Cheese talking about his recent adventures on antidepressants. Here's Mark Hill on his depression, here's Dan O'Brien on his social anxiety, here's Tom Reimann on his and here's C. Coville on the same. Here's Mara Wilson on having an anxiety disorder, here's Felix Clay on regret, here's Gladstone on emotional trauma and Adam Brown on almost dying from cough syrup addiction. Those are just the ones off the top of my head. You get the idea.

Now do you want me to tell you how many messages/comments/emails we get from fans telling a writer to "kill yourself" because said writer wrote a joke they didn't like? When I ban them, they always act confused as to why.

Yeah, and Chris Farley just made wacky slapstick movies about a fat guy who falls down a lot, right up until he stopped his own heart with a drug cocktail. The medium has nothing to do with it -- comedy, of any sort, is usually a byproduct of a tumor that grows on the human soul. If you know a really funny person who isn't tortured and broken inside, I'd say either A) they've just successfully hidden it from you, B) their fucked-uppedness is buried so deep down that even they're in denial about it, or C) they're just some kind of a mystical creature I can't begin to understand. I'm not saying anything science doesn't already know, by the way. Find a comedian, and you'll usually find somebody who had a shitty childhood.

Here's how it works for most of us, as far as I can tell. I'll even put it in list form because who gives a fuck at this point:

1. At an early age, you start hating yourself. Often it's because you were abused, or just grew up in a broken home, or were rejected socially, or maybe you were just weird or fat or ... whatever. You're not like the other kids, the other kids don't seem to like you, and you can usually detect that by age five or so.

2. At some point, usually at a very young age, you did something that got a laugh from the room. You made a joke, or fell down or farted and realized for the first time that you could get a positive reaction that way. Not genuine love or affection, mind you, just a reaction -- one that is a step up from hatred and a thousand steps up from invisibility. One you could control.

3. You soon learned that being funny builds a perfect, impenetrable wall around yourself -- a buffer that keeps anyone from getting too close and realizing how much you suck. The more you hate yourself, the stronger you need to make the barrier and the further you have to push people away. In other words, the better you have to be at comedy.

4. In your formative years, you wind up creating a second, false you -- a clown that can go out and represent you, outside the barrier. The clown is always joking, always "on", always drawing all of the attention in order to prevent anyone from poking away at the barrier and finding the real person behind it. The clown is the life of the party, the classroom joker, the guy up on stage -- as different from the "real" you as possible. Again, the goal is to create distance.

You do it, because if people hate the clown, who cares? That's not the real you. So you're protected.

But the side effect is that if people love the clown ... well, you know the truth. You know how different it'd be if they met the real you.

I get a dozen messages a week from people telling me they love me, I get a few a month from people saying they want to meet me in person. You know, kind of like how they watch an episode of the Walking Dead and decide they want to live in a zombie apocalypse. Trust me, kid, you wouldn't like it.

But there's more. The jokes that keep the crowd happy -- and keep the people around you at bay -- come from inside you, and are dug painfully out of your own guts. You expose and examine your own insecurities, flaws, fears -- all of that stuff makes the best fuel. So, Robin Williams joked about addiction -- you know, the same addiction that pretty much killed him. Chris Farley's whole act was based on how fat he was -- the thing that had tortured and humiliated him since childhood. So think of my clown analogy above, only imagine the clown feeds on your blood.

I keep mentioning Chris Farley for a reason -- in the end, he was so alone that he was hiring prostitutes just to hang out with him. Here's an account of how his last days played out:

"Farley partied for four straight days, smoked crack and snorted heroin with a call girl, then took her back to his apartment. When they argued about money, she got up to leave. He tried to follow but collapsed on the living room floor, struggling to breathe. His final words were 'Don't leave me.' She took pictures of him, stole his watch, wrote a note saying she'd had a lot of fun, and left. He died alone."

In this case, the clown was a hilarious fat guy playing a Beverly Hills Ninja. Back behind the wall, the real person was a scared, lonely, awkward fat kid who couldn't even pay someone to hold his hand when he died. "Don't leave me."

So, yeah, if you're out there and are feeling down, here's the national suicide hotline and I've been told it's great, by the numerous people I know who've called it. But I guess my larger point is that if you know somebody who might be at risk but you've been denying it because they're always smiling and joking around, for the love of God, wake the fuck up. They don't know how to ask for help because they don't know how to relate, because when you've lived behind that wall long enough, you completely lose the ability. "Well, I tried to help him, but he was kind of a dick about it." Right, that's what it looks like. "But I don't know how to do a suicide intervention!" Nobody is asking you to. How about this:

Be there when they need you, and keep being there even when they stop being funny. Every time they make a joke around you, they're doing it because they instinctively and reflexively think that's what they need to do to make you like them. They're afraid that the moment the laughter stops, all that's left is that gross, awkward kid everyone hated on the playground, the one they've been hiding behind bricks all their adult life. If they come to you wanting to have a boring-ass conversation about their problems, don't drop hints that you wish they'd "lighten up." It's really easy to hear that as, "Man, what happened to the clown? I liked him better."

As for me, I haven't thought about suicide in a long time, not since high school when a guy talked me out of it, though to this day I doubt he realizes it. So, I lived on to wind up with a job where one of my tasks is to ban people who follow him from one comment section to another telling him he's not funny and should kill himself. Is that ... irony? Shit, I don't think English has a word for what that is.

Anyway. Rest in peace, Robin. You've given us a chance to talk about this, and to prove that this has nothing to do with life circumstances -- you were rich and accomplished and respected and beloved by friends and family, and in the end it meant jack fucking shit.

-David Wong
Doesn't Remember His Job Title but it Probably Has the Word Editor in it
Cracked.com
 
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Well, isn't the mechanics behind comedy really just turning tragedy on it's head? It makes a lot of sense that comedians have a higher than average rate of depression.

PS- Never thought you were funny on here.






Jkjkjkjkkjjkjkjkjkjjk, don't go doing something crazy on us now.
 
I've heard a lot of other comics echo the same sentiment. Jim Norton has spoken extensively about it on his radio show in the past. About being the weird kid, his struggles with addiction (sex in his case), substance abuse. He eventually got help but admits he still feels like a "bag of shit" sometimes.

I think the biggest mistake a lot of people make is they try to battle it alone. They're either too embarrassed to tell anybody, don't want to burden anybody, or just think they can tough it out. That's the kind of thinking that does get you killed.
 
Interesting perspective - I think it's a little broad and a little strong, but that's like 15%. I identify with some of it.
 
William Shatner writing about his talk show Raw Nerve

The hardest nuts to crack? The comedians. Carl Reiner was especially tough. I’ve known Carl for a long time, and we even acted together on Boston Legal, but I could not get him to open up about the death of his wife. I’ve been a widower—I wanted to know if we had shared emotions, feelings. He told some wonderful jokes, made some delightfully witty observations, but not once could I get to the emotion of it. Raw Nerve has taught me that comedians are hyper-attuned to “the laugh.” They have made their living at it; it is what they are programmed to provide. Anything else is forbidden. He was a pro, and that finely tuned guard was not going to come down.
 
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From your linked article:

I keep mentioning Chris Farley for a reason -- in the end, he was so alone that he was hiring prostitutes just to hang out with him. Here's an account of how his last days played out:

"Farley partied for four straight days, smoked crack and snorted heroin with a call girl, then took her back to his apartment. When they argued about money, she got up to leave. He tried to follow but collapsed on the living room floor, struggling to breathe. His final words were 'Don't leave me.' She took pictures of him, stole his watch, wrote a note saying she'd had a lot of fun, and left. He died alone."

Brutal. 🙁
 
Interesting read. It was actually an observation my sis-in-law and I had on our commute home. Of course it came from talking about Robin, but basically we concluded pretty much exactly what this guy had written about. Great read.
 
You'd be more popular if you hadn't have bought that Mini Cooper .... just sayin' ...



Hah, I kid !! Kinda ....


I don't think you are socially awkward at all. You can at least fit into a social gathering. I avoid any and all get-togethers and don't go out with friends at all. Hell, I have no friends that I see even on a monthly basis. Now THAT is socially awkward. If it wouldn't be for Alky's Mom, I would think my life not worth living anymore.
 
I do think the writer overgeneralized, but he definitely has a point. Who we are in public is very often not at all who we are in an empty room. People that think they really know somebody because they work with them or have seen all their movies haven't got a clue.
 
You'd be more popular if you hadn't have bought that Mini Cooper .... just sayin' ...



Hah, I kid !! Kinda ....


I don't think you are socially awkward at all. You can at least fit into a social gathering. I avoid any and all get-togethers and don't go out with friends at all. Hell, I have no friends that I see even on a monthly basis. Now THAT is socially awkward. If it wouldn't be for Alky's Mom, I would think my life not worth living anymore.

Heh. An online persona is totally different than actual life.

-In reality, I don't actually have any close friends (other than my wife). I get together with people at the office maybe once every 18 months or so.

-If anyone...ANYONE...tries to hug me, my body tenses up like you shoved a bowl full of slugs under my nose.

-I can't remember anyone's name. My neighbors know everything about me, but I know nothing about them. This leads to me bumping into them and they'll say "Hey Doug! How's the kids? Your son is starting high school this year, isn't he?" This leaves me to respond with "Hey....buddy! Things are great! How's that....thing you have going on?"

-I have a wide area of expertise, but I never want to share it with anyone because, from experience, I may come off as a know-it-all, or I'll be the subject of someone asking for unending favors.

-I have a bit of a hearing problem, so anyplace that has crowds or ambient noise means I have to keep saying "excuse me?". I know this gets annoying, so when I do have conversations I try to lead them so I know what we're talking about (hearing aids don't really work for my condition).

I feel like I should be laying on a couch for this, but being ATOT I'm sure the couch would be all sticky.

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Much of this article has truth to it, but it goes beyond comedians/being funny. That person he describes can be the person who just loves to help people learn. They can be the person who is overwhelmingly kind to you. They can, as he describes, be the funny person in the room too. But that person can also be a musician who makes beautiful music but is tortured themselves in ways that are usually not apparent until it's too late. People view suicide differently than drug overdoses, but in a lot of ways they can be the same thing.

I can strongly associate with the duality he describes having grown up gay and never wanting to be, but creating a second persona that was goofy and helpful and made people feel better about themselves. The truth (in my opinion) is that people like that, people like Robin Williams, people who dedicate their lives to the bettering and entertainment of other people's lives are doing it because they hope in some distant place that eventually someone will be able to do the same thing for them. They know there's no way they can fix themselves, but maybe if they fix enough other people it will feel better. And it does.. but only for a brief flash of time. It helps until it doesn't and you need more. Eventually there isn't anymore and you fall into a deep spiral of depression and self-loathing. You run out of people to help and start reflecting negatively on yourself, turning all your brilliance and brain power inward and focusing it on yourself, finding ways that you're just not good enough.

The sad truth is that telling people to go get help feels like a slap in the face to them. The dangerous part about NOT saying it or NOT encouraging it is that every now and then someone will slip through the cracks you could have helped. But in my experience, being told to cheer up or go talk to a professional or to look at the bright side is like a massive gut punch. It's someone saying, I can't relate to what you're feeling but surely it's something as simple as XYZ. People who have never had to experience what that feels like don't understand how much of a shitshow the medical/insurance machine really is. People don't understand how working up the courage to go tell someone your inner-most toxic waste that you carry around is like re-living it all over again. How it starts another spiral. Then you come to find that most therapists are just really fucking bad at their jobs. Think of all the worthless people you know in other professions... they exist in therapy too. But the game is, 'oh it always takes time, just come for a few more sessions.' So then you start to believe maybe they're right, maybe I just havent given it enough of a chance. Then you realize, no, they're just shitty at their jobs and you're not getting any benefit, so after spending a lot of time and money on what amounts to nothing, you look again for someone new. Then you repeat this process all over again. You spend the money and the time and the mental anguish trying to find another person who might be able to help you... usually only to be disappointed. Then you run into the pill pushers, the people who listen to you for 30 minutes and hand you a slip of paper before you can even get up to walk out the door. You try all the bullshit medication that seems like it helps at first but doesn't really. It blurs your highs and lows, nothing is interesting, nothing matters. So you try to come off of that toxic nonsense... smartly, and slowly, but it doesn't matter. It hits you like a fucking ton of bricks in the face. You start to lose sight of what actually makes you feel anything anymore. The most fucked up feeling is looking at someone you love and internally thinking .. 'meh..' about them. That eventually passes and you're back to where you started, more poor and more skeptical of the entire process. But you try again. You keep looking for that one shred of hope that maybe you don't have to live this way forever. Maybe something will click one day. Then you realize what ails you is very specific and requires an out of network provider which costs even more. You end of paying it because it's your life right? That seems worth it? Until you are so behind on bills because the insurance companies purposefully fuck you over. I could go on and on but I won't. The takeaway here is, people like Robin Williams could afford it, they could see anyone they wanted, but the state of mental help in this country is fucking criminal and broken and telling people to play into it honestly makes things worse a lot of times. The system needs help before it can help other people. So when I read constant things online about this tragedy and people say if you feel bad please seek help, I feel like they honestly have no fucking idea what that actually looks like and a lot of times how useless it really is. Writing that makes it seem like I'm encouraging people not to get help, and I'm not, because maybe it will help them, but moreso I am trying to shine a light into a very dark corner that no one wants to confront or face. The system is fucking broken and help isn't as easy as it seems on paper. Not by a long shot.
 
I'm also going to paste an excerpt that I feel describes depression better than anything else I've ever come across. From the brilliant David Foster Wallace (another 'funny guy' who killed himself because he just couldn't take it any longer, RIP):


"Hal isn't old enough yet to know that this is because numb emptiness isn't the worst kind of depression.
That dead-eyed anhedonia is but arem-ora on the ventral flank of the true predator, the Great White Shark of pain.
Authorities term this condition clinical depression or involutional depression or unipolar dysphoria.
Instead of just an incapacity for feeling, a deadening of soul, the predator-grade depression Kate Gompert always feels as she Withdraws from secret marijuana is itself a feeling.
It goes by many names — anguish, despair, torment, or q.v. Burton's melancholia or Yev-tuschenko's more authoritative psychotic depression — but Kate Gompert, down in the trenches with the thing itself, knows it simply as It.
It is a level of psychic pain wholly incompatible with human life as we know it.
It is a sense of radical and thoroughgoing evil not just as a feature but as the essence of conscious existence.
It is a sense of poisoning that pervades the self at the self's most elementary levels.
It is a nausea of the cells and soul. It is an unnumb intuition in which the world is fully rich and animate
and un-map-like and also thoroughly painful and malignant and antagonistic to the self, which depressed self It billows
on and coagulates around and wraps in Its black folds and absorbs into Itself, so that an almost mystical unity is achieved with a world every constituent of which means painful harm to the self. Its emotional character, the feeling
Gompert describes It as, is probably mostly indescribable except as a sort of double bind in
which any/all of the alternatives we associate with human agency — sitting or standing, doing or resting, speaking or keeping silent, living or dying — are not just unpleasant but literally horrible.
It is also lonely on a level that cannot be conveyed. There is no way Kate Gompert could ever even begin to make someone else understand what clinical depression feels like, not even another person who is herself clinically depressed, because a person in such a state is incapable of empathy with any other living thing. This anhedonic Inability To Identify is also an integral part of It. If a person in physical pain has a hard time attending to anything
except that pain a clinically depressed person cannot even perceive any other person or thing as independent of the universal pain that is digesting her cell by cell.
Everything is part of the problem, and there is no solution.
It is a hell for one.
The authoritative term psychotic depression makes Kate Gompert feel especially lonely. Specifically the psychotic
part. Think of it this way. Two people are screaming in pain. One of them is being tortured with electric current.
The other is not. The screamer who's being tortured with electric current is not psychotic: her screams are
circumstantially appropriate. The screaming person who's not being tortured, however, is psychotic, since the outside parties making the diagnoses can see no electrodes or measurable amperage. One of the least pleasant things about being psychotically depressed on a ward full of psychotically depressed patients is coming to see that none of them is really psychotic, that their screams are entirely appropriate to certain circumstances part of whose special charm is that they are undetectable by any outside party.
Thus the loneliness: it's a closed circuit: the current is both applied and received from within.
The so-called 'psychotically depressed' person who tries to kill herself doesn't do so out of quote 'hopelessness' or any abstract conviction that life's assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing spec-ulatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant.
Thevariable here is the other terror, the fire's flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It's not desiring the fall; it's terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling 'Don't!' and 'Hang on!', can understand the jump. Not really.
You'd have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."
 
As someone who has had a significant draw toward the "creative" world--specifically photography or prose--for all of my life, I can personally attest to certain facts or assumptions regarding mental health.

I studied that very concept, partly out of a goal to truly understand myself. My degree was focused on the worst what-ifs of mental health and social control (terrorism, criminals, revolutions, etc), but I used all my electives and much of my free time to study the psychology and neurology underlying mental health problems as best I could.

I cannot recall the number of times I've seen different studies point out the prevalence of mental health disorders in the creative world. One I do remember pointed out that as many as one out of every three or two actors has bi-polar disorder, and that is just one specific malady.

There's a magnetic pull toward performance and social acceptance through skill for some, though that does not explain it perfectly for all within the world of art at large. It's a great disservice to draw such a clear depiction, though it may be rather startling in clarity for many individuals.
 
Be a jerk, it's great for your longevity, since you dump all your stress and anger on people around you.

I'm slowly turning into Red (that 70s show) and I'm sleeping much better at night nowadays, DUMBASS!
 
I'm also going to paste an excerpt that I feel describes depression better than anything else I've ever come across...

God as my witness, I had no idea you were gay (unless you're coming out right now, to which I'll say congratulations we're all behind you 😀).

Be a jerk, it's great for your longevity, since you dump all your stress and anger on people around you.

I'm slowly turning into Red (that 70s show) and I'm sleeping much better at night nowadays, DUMBASS!

I am absolutely incapable of being a jerk. I can't even play a bad guy in a video game because it doesn't feel right.
 
Much of this article has truth to it, but it goes beyond comedians/being funny. That person he describes can be the person who just loves to help people learn. They can be the person who is overwhelmingly kind to you. They can, as he describes, be the funny person in the room too. But that person can also be a musician who makes beautiful music but is tortured themselves in ways that are usually not apparent until it's too late. People view suicide differently than drug overdoses, but in a lot of ways they can be the same thing.

I can strongly associate with the duality he describes having grown up gay and never wanting to be, but creating a second persona that was goofy and helpful and made people feel better about themselves. The truth (in my opinion) is that people like that, people like Robin Williams, people who dedicate their lives to the bettering and entertainment of other people's lives are doing it because they hope in some distant place that eventually someone will be able to do the same thing for them. They know there's no way they can fix themselves, but maybe if they fix enough other people it will feel better. And it does.. but only for a brief flash of time. It helps until it doesn't and you need more. Eventually there isn't anymore and you fall into a deep spiral of depression and self-loathing. You run out of people to help and start reflecting negatively on yourself, turning all your brilliance and brain power inward and focusing it on yourself, finding ways that you're just not good enough.

The sad truth is that telling people to go get help feels like a slap in the face to them. The dangerous part about NOT saying it or NOT encouraging it is that every now and then someone will slip through the cracks you could have helped. But in my experience, being told to cheer up or go talk to a professional or to look at the bright side is like a massive gut punch. It's someone saying, I can't relate to what you're feeling but surely it's something as simple as XYZ. People who have never had to experience what that feels like don't understand how much of a shitshow the medical/insurance machine really is. People don't understand how working up the courage to go tell someone your inner-most toxic waste that you carry around is like re-living it all over again. How it starts another spiral. Then you come to find that most therapists are just really fucking bad at their jobs. Think of all the worthless people you know in other professions... they exist in therapy too. But the game is, 'oh it always takes time, just come for a few more sessions.' So then you start to believe maybe they're right, maybe I just havent given it enough of a chance. Then you realize, no, they're just shitty at their jobs and you're not getting any benefit, so after spending a lot of time and money on what amounts to nothing, you look again for someone new. Then you repeat this process all over again. You spend the money and the time and the mental anguish trying to find another person who might be able to help you... usually only to be disappointed. Then you run into the pill pushers, the people who listen to you for 30 minutes and hand you a slip of paper before you can even get up to walk out the door. You try all the bullshit medication that seems like it helps at first but doesn't really. It blurs your highs and lows, nothing is interesting, nothing matters. So you try to come off of that toxic nonsense... smartly, and slowly, but it doesn't matter. It hits you like a fucking ton of bricks in the face. You start to lose sight of what actually makes you feel anything anymore. The most fucked up feeling is looking at someone you love and internally thinking .. 'meh..' about them. That eventually passes and you're back to where you started, more poor and more skeptical of the entire process. But you try again. You keep looking for that one shred of hope that maybe you don't have to live this way forever. Maybe something will click one day. Then you realize what ails you is very specific and requires an out of network provider which costs even more. You end of paying it because it's your life right? That seems worth it? Until you are so behind on bills because the insurance companies purposefully fuck you over. I could go on and on but I won't. The takeaway here is, people like Robin Williams could afford it, they could see anyone they wanted, but the state of mental help in this country is fucking criminal and broken and telling people to play into it honestly makes things worse a lot of times. The system needs help before it can help other people. So when I read constant things online about this tragedy and people say if you feel bad please seek help, I feel like they honestly have no fucking idea what that actually looks like and a lot of times how useless it really is. Writing that makes it seem like I'm encouraging people not to get help, and I'm not, because maybe it will help them, but moreso I am trying to shine a light into a very dark corner that no one wants to confront or face. The system is fucking broken and help isn't as easy as it seems on paper. Not by a long shot.

I was diagnosed with Moderate depression. The doctor wanted me to take some medication that was supposed to help me out and I took it for about a day. I stopped taking it and had a massive breakdown in my office at work (thankfully no one saw me) because I thought to myself "Why do I ahve to take a pill to feel like a normal person? What is so bad about me or what had I done that is so wrong the world wants me to feel like I don't belong and there is no place for me?". I still feel that way now and even as I type this, I still have a hard time holding back tears.

I agree with you that people telling me to get help or go see a professional just don't get it. I don't want to go and see a professional. I want a fucking friend or just someone to be around that doesn't make me feel like I'm a worthless piece of shit. I certainly don't want to have to pay for that privilege, but I realize how stupid and ironic it is for me to say that as when I am around people I want to be around, I go way above and beyond, like buying drinks/paying for dinner/pay for trips/etc, just so people think that I'm cool enough or whatever to be around.

I don't do or say the things I do because I want people to pitty me, feel sorry for me, whatever. I just want someone, ANYONE, to accept me for who I am and want to be around me.

While I'm not losing sleep over Mr. Williams, it certainly hurts me to think of someone I essentially remember being a small part of my life, not being here anymore because of essentially the same things that I feel.

We always hate hate it when something happens and wish there was something anyone could have done. I hope that none of us ever have to deal with a situation like this on a personal level.

Thank you for posting the article Fritzo. It was a very good read and I felt like an asshole for laughing at the pics even though I know it was intended lol.
 
Social "acceptance" is the root of alot of evil. Goes beyond joksters looking for a crowd pleasing laugh. Some people just can't stand to be alone and will go to any length for even a moment of anyone elses attention.

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I was diagnosed with Moderate depression. The doctor wanted me to take some medication that was supposed to help me out and I took it for about a day. I stopped taking it and had a massive breakdown in my office at work (thankfully no one saw me) because I thought to myself "Why do I ahve to take a pill to feel like a normal person? What is so bad about me or what had I done that is so wrong the world wants me to feel like I don't belong and there is no place for me?". I still feel that way now and even as I type this, I still have a hard time holding back tears.

I agree with you that people telling me to get help or go see a professional just don't get it. I don't want to go and see a professional. I want a fucking friend or just someone to be around that doesn't make me feel like I'm a worthless piece of shit. I certainly don't want to have to pay for that privilege, but I realize how stupid and ironic it is for me to say that as when I am around people I want to be around, I go way above and beyond, like buying drinks/paying for dinner/pay for trips/etc, just so people think that I'm cool enough or whatever to be around.

I don't do or say the things I do because I want people to pitty me, feel sorry for me, whatever. I just want someone, ANYONE, to accept me for who I am and want to be around me.

While I'm not losing sleep over Mr. Williams, it certainly hurts me to think of someone I essentially remember being a small part of my life, not being here anymore because of essentially the same things that I feel.

We always hate hate it when something happens and wish there was something anyone could have done. I hope that none of us ever have to deal with a situation like this on a personal level.

Thank you for posting the article Fritzo. It was a very good read and I felt like an asshole for laughing at the pics even though I know it was intended lol.

Cold comfort for sure, but you're definitely not alone. In reality there's nothing wrong with you, the fault lies in the world we have to live in. You just need to get to a place where you can be ok with its faults and try to find happiness in spite of them. Easier said than done obviously but that doesn't make it any less true.
 
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