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Fritzo

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Social "acceptance" is the root of alot of evil. Goes beyond joksters looking for a crowd pleasing laugh. Some people just can't stand to be alone and will go to any length for even a moment of anyone elses attention.

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I learned to deal with my issues, but I can see my son falling into the same problems I had and he doesn't seem to have the same coping skills. He's dealing with it by trying to get us to buy him overly expensive stuff to show off. He looks up to a lot of rap stars and seems to have that "go broke to look rich" syndrome. We're getting him some help, but yeah, it's a big problem and becoming worse in today's 24/7 social media world. Not sure I could be a teenager today. When I was a kid, all of the peer pressure, judgement, and ridicule went away when I got home from school. Today if follows you as long as you have some kind of device connected to the Internet.
 

Gibsons

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God as my witness, I had no idea you were gay (unless you're coming out right now, to which I'll say congratulations we're all behind you :D).

Dude...he listed 'dongs' as one of his hobbies. :D

I am absolutely incapable of being a jerk. I can't even play a bad guy in a video game because it doesn't feel right.

lol, same here.

Anyway, there's a whole book on the subject

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Fire-M.../dp/068483183X

I remember hearing Leo Kottke quip about it at a show. Wonder if he saw it as applying to himself as well.
 

cubby1223

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I learned to deal with my issues, but I can see my son falling into the same problems I had and he doesn't seem to have the same coping skills. He's dealing with it by trying to get us to buy him overly expensive stuff to show off. He looks up to a lot of rap stars and seems to have that "go broke to look rich" syndrome. We're getting him some help, but yeah, it's a big problem and becoming worse in today's 24/7 social media world. Not sure I could be a teenager today. When I was a kid, all of the peer pressure, judgement, and ridicule went away when I got home from school. Today if follows you as long as you have some kind of device connected to the Internet.

Oh gosh I don't even want to think how hard it is to be a kid in today's social media world!
 

BoberFett

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I figured this was a well known phenomenon. Most comedy (maybe all comedy?) is based on the pain of self or others. Not to delight in it, but to make light of it as a method of coping.
 
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destrekor

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I learned to deal with my issues, but I can see my son falling into the same problems I had and he doesn't seem to have the same coping skills. He's dealing with it by trying to get us to buy him overly expensive stuff to show off. He looks up to a lot of rap stars and seems to have that "go broke to look rich" syndrome. We're getting him some help, but yeah, it's a big problem and becoming worse in today's 24/7 social media world. Not sure I could be a teenager today. When I was a kid, all of the peer pressure, judgement, and ridicule went away when I got home from school. Today if follows you as long as you have some kind of device connected to the Internet.

That is something I find myself thankful for: while I am overly connected, as is my generation in general, in high school the social media aspect was minimal. When I went into college (2006/2007 freshman year), the number of people who had Facebook was tiny. If anything you had MySpace or, gasp, Xanga... and in one, most were looking for music, and in both, proclaiming their eclectic lifestyle. Bullying had not made much of an appearance on the internet at that time, at least not one of which I was aware.

Facebook was still college-only at the time, and man... it was actually wonderful when it remained college-only, and useful while in college. Much of the functionality useful for the college crowd disappeared when they opened up membership, though as a social and connectedness platform, well... little needs to be said on that matter these days.


I'm pretty sure I'd be a goner if I was born in and grew up in the world as it stands today. My elementary days were still enjoyed outside, and multiplayer video games were a few friends gathered in front of the TV. The draw of the web and computer slowly began back then, and took prominence (with some negative effects) as middle school and high school came around. I didn't succeed, but I also could have failed much worse had I not had that easing into approach. I welcomed it and it was a piece of cake to me, but at least I wasn't born into it.
 

squarecut1

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I too am very thankful that I grew up in a different age. Kids these days have it a lot more difficult
 

nakedfrog

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Writing that makes it seem like I'm encouraging people not to get help, and I'm not, because maybe it will help them, but moreso I am trying to shine a light into a very dark corner that no one wants to confront or face. The system is fucking broken and help isn't as easy as it seems on paper. Not by a long shot.
Well said. All of it, but especially the end.
God as my witness, I had no idea you were gay (unless you're coming out right now, to which I'll say congratulations we're all behind you :D).
That was pretty common knowledge even back when I was still a regular here :p
 

squarecut1

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It's not just the psychology or psychiatry profession which is broken. Try finding any doctor who gives a shit about you. You are just cattle to them. Next patient please
 

notposting

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I don't think this stuff is reserved soley for comedians, but I suppose it is more shocking when the "funny" guy who seems so socially adept bumps themself off, versus the antisocial recluse.

(side note: shit, it's raining again here in the Detroit area. I need a rowboat...)
 
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squarecut1

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It's not just the psychology or psychiatry profession which is broken. Try finding any doctor who gives a shit about you. You are just cattle to them. Next patient please
And to be fair, many of them are under immense pressure from their bosses, owners to dispose off as many patients as they can as quickly as they can. It's all about greed, the bane of our society
 

Sonikku

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Heh. An online persona is totally different than actual life.

-In reality, I don't actually have any close friends (other than my wife). I get together with people at the office maybe once every 18 months or so.

-If anyone...ANYONE...tries to hug me, my body tenses up like you shoved a bowl full of slugs under my nose.

-I can't remember anyone's name. My neighbors know everything about me, but I know nothing about them. This leads to me bumping into them and they'll say "Hey Doug! How's the kids? Your son is starting high school this year, isn't he?" This leaves me to respond with "Hey....buddy! Things are great! How's that....thing you have going on?"

-I have a wide area of expertise, but I never want to share it with anyone because, from experience, I may come off as a know-it-all, or I'll be the subject of someone asking for unending favors.

-I have a bit of a hearing problem, so anyplace that has crowds or ambient noise means I have to keep saying "excuse me?". I know this gets annoying, so when I do have conversations I try to lead them so I know what we're talking about (hearing aids don't really work for my condition).

You just described me to a T. Are you sure you aren't an alternate online persona of a multiple personality of mine that posts when I think I'm asleep? :eek:
 

darkewaffle

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And to be fair, many of them are under immense pressure from their bosses, owners to dispose off as many patients as they can as quickly as they can. It's all about greed, the bane of our society

Painting patients as victims is hardly fair as well. Some people need help, some are just trying to catch a doctor making a human mistake and eviscerate them in court over it.
 

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I learned to deal with my issues, but I can see my son falling into the same problems I had and he doesn't seem to have the same coping skills. He's dealing with it by trying to get us to buy him overly expensive stuff to show off. He looks up to a lot of rap stars and seems to have that "go broke to look rich" syndrome. We're getting him some help, but yeah, it's a big problem and becoming worse in today's 24/7 social media world. Not sure I could be a teenager today. When I was a kid, all of the peer pressure, judgement, and ridicule went away when I got home from school. Today if follows you as long as you have some kind of device connected to the Internet.

My 6 year old daughter has been a handful for us. She's got a potpourri of emotional symptoms that score very high on the ADHD and Opposition Defiance Disorder. She has very little control of her emotions and she goes from manic to full on depressed like a light switch. She's hit teachers, ran around the room like a maniac and sent to the principals dozens of times, gone into full scale rage meltdowns, and acted like a frightened animal cowering under tables. She's been sent home about a dozen times because they couldn't control her. Been kicked out of daycares. But yet they can't even put a score on her reading and verbal abilities because the scale can't go that high.

She's socially very awkward, but amazingly creative, incredibly well spoken, and one of the most gifted readers at her age that most of her teachers have seen.

The meltdowns and reactions I get in my house are overwhelming for me. I really don't know how to cope with them. If I try being sweet and nice then she games the system, if I try to be stern she flies off the handle and screams like a demon possessed her. There's no balance. It's affecting me as a parent because I'm growing numb to her and almost ignoring all the drama. Which just in turn makes her reactions all that more severe trying to get attention.

Uhg. It kills me as a parent to have a 5 year old say that they wish they were never born and that they hate there life. True words she said at the age of 5.

I'm just at a loss. We're trying to get some sort of outside help but it's next to impossible. Child psychology is such a crap shoot as to who is compatible with your kid and actually has some idea on what to do. Not to mention just getting through the referral nightmare.

But the worse thing for her is the reputation she has in her classrooms. She's the pyscho, the looney, the kookoo kid. Other kids retract from her and she has no real friends. It's just a shitty situation.
 
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Fritzo

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My 6 year old daughter has been a handful for us. She's got a potpourri of emotional symptoms that score very high on the ADHD and Opposition Defiance Disorder. She has very little control of her emotions and she goes from manic to full on depressed like a light switch. She's hit teachers, ran around the room like a maniac and sent to the principals dozens of times, gone into full scale rage meltdowns, and acted like a frightened animal cowering under tables. She's been sent home about a dozen times because they couldn't control her. Been kicked out of daycares. But yet they can't even put a score on her reading and verbal abilities because the scale can't go that high.

She's socially very awkward, but amazingly creative, incredibly well spoken, and one of the most gifted readers at her age that most of her teachers have seen.

The meltdowns and reactions I get in my house are overwhelming for me. I really don't know how to cope with them. If I try being sweet and nice then she games the system, if I try to be stern she flies off the handle and screams like a demon possessed her. There's no balance. It's affecting me as a parent because I'm growing numb to her and almost ignoring all the drama. Which just in turn makes her reactions all that more severe trying to get attention.

Uhg. It kills me as a parent to have a 5 year old say that they wish they were never born and that they hate there life. True words she said at the age of 5.

I'm just at a loss. We're trying to get some sort of outside help but it's next to impossible. Child psychology is such a crap shoot as to who is compatible with your kid and actually has some idea on what to do. Not to mention just getting through the referral nightmare.

But the worse thing for her is the reputation she has in her classrooms. She's the pyscho, the looney, the kookoo kid. Other kids retract from her and she has no real friends. It's just a shitty situation.

Do you have a local youth or church group near you? It seems she needs to learn social skills, and if you could get her exposed to large groups of people while under your supervision, she may eventually be able to grasp the concept. Girls go through phases like that though. By the age of 13 she might have guys banging down her door and you'll have other issues to worry about :D
 

monkeydelmagico

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But the worse thing for her is the reputation she has in her classrooms. She's the pyscho, the looney, the kookoo kid. Other kids retract from her and she has no real friends. It's just a shitty situation.

Hang in there and love unconditionally. I just got off the phone with my nephew who just turned 18. Great guy, good job, super girlfriend, new house, etc. The perfect picture any parent would have.

Except when he was young we all thought for sure his life was going to suck. Many of the same issues you described. Some not as bad, other behaviors far worse.

The school systems are just not set up to handle it. Home schooled from the age of 12. Some run ins with the law. Doctors didn't help much, nor did the meds. Wasn't for lack of trying on the professionals part, it just didn't take. In the end patience and persistence by his family helped him the most IMHO.

Good luck and godspeed.
 

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She's been in daycares since she was an infant, did girl scouts for a year, and has done summer camps at the local YMCA's. It's not for a lack of exposure. Admittedly not much of it is under our supervision as those are not functions that parents typically are part of short of some chaperoned field trips.

She's just got some sort of cognitive issues combined with an extreme overreaction to things. I've had a number of mornings where she'll come down downstairs and plop down on the couch. I'll ask her what she wants for breakfast. She'll say a waffle.

So I make a waffle. Ask her to come to the table and she absolutely flips her shit going into a wild rage screaming that she wanted a pancake. It's situations like that at school that start her "events". A teach says to do one thing, she does another, the teacher marks her down for it and then she just explodes.
 

destrekor

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My 6 year old daughter has been a handful for us. She's got a potpourri of emotional symptoms that score very high on the ADHD and Opposition Defiance Disorder. She has very little control of her emotions and she goes from manic to full on depressed like a light switch. She's hit teachers, ran around the room like a maniac and sent to the principals dozens of times, gone into full scale rage meltdowns, and acted like a frightened animal cowering under tables. She's been sent home about a dozen times because they couldn't control her. Been kicked out of daycares. But yet they can't even put a score on her reading and verbal abilities because the scale can't go that high.

She's socially very awkward, but amazingly creative, incredibly well spoken, and one of the most gifted readers at her age that most of her teachers have seen.

The meltdowns and reactions I get in my house are overwhelming for me. I really don't know how to cope with them. If I try being sweet and nice then she games the system, if I try to be stern she flies off the handle and screams like a demon possessed her. There's no balance. It's affecting me as a parent because I'm growing numb to her and almost ignoring all the drama. Which just in turn makes her reactions all that more severe trying to get attention.

Uhg. It kills me as a parent to have a 5 year old say that they wish they were never born and that they hate there life. True words she said at the age of 5.

I'm just at a loss. We're trying to get some sort of outside help but it's next to impossible. Child psychology is such a crap shoot as to who is compatible with your kid and actually has some idea on what to do. Not to mention just getting through the referral nightmare.

But the worse thing for her is the reputation she has in her classrooms. She's the pyscho, the looney, the kookoo kid. Other kids retract from her and she has no real friends. It's just a shitty situation.

I feel for you. As you stated, child psychology is such a crapshoot, and worse yet, the medication aspect is always alluring yet can be far more damaging due to our relative ignorance.

I hope what we learn in this era is enough to provide the tools you need to bring out the best in your child. Some medicating aspects will be useful, while others may be immensely successful, yet we still seemingly have no idea how that will impact long-term mental and physical health when we start doping youth at an early age. With what, how much, and for how long... questions that still require more time and research.
 

local

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Heh. An online persona is totally different than actual life.

-In reality, I don't actually have any close friends (other than my wife). I get together with people at the office maybe once every 18 months or so.

-If anyone...ANYONE...tries to hug me, my body tenses up like you shoved a bowl full of slugs under my nose.

-I can't remember anyone's name. My neighbors know everything about me, but I know nothing about them. This leads to me bumping into them and they'll say "Hey Doug! How's the kids? Your son is starting high school this year, isn't he?" This leaves me to respond with "Hey....buddy! Things are great! How's that....thing you have going on?"

-I have a wide area of expertise, but I never want to share it with anyone because, from experience, I may come off as a know-it-all, or I'll be the subject of someone asking for unending favors.

-I have a bit of a hearing problem, so anyplace that has crowds or ambient noise means I have to keep saying "excuse me?". I know this gets annoying, so when I do have conversations I try to lead them so I know what we're talking about (hearing aids don't really work for my condition).

I feel like I should be laying on a couch for this, but being ATOT I'm sure the couch would be all sticky.

It would be nice if I could figure out how to separate the online persona from the real one, that would be a big improvement.

I seem to have a hearing problem where I cannot separate peoples voices from the background noise. It is like I am hearing everything at once and cannot focus on one person. Most of the time I just end up doing the smile and nod which can backfire pretty badly depending on what was just said.
 

Fritzo

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She's been in daycares since she was an infant, did girl scouts for a year, and has done summer camps at the local YMCA's. It's not for a lack of exposure. Admittedly not much of it is under our supervision as those are not functions that parents typically are part of short of some chaperoned field trips.

She's just got some sort of cognitive issues combined with an extreme overreaction to things. I've had a number of mornings where she'll come down downstairs and plop down on the couch. I'll ask her what she wants for breakfast. She'll say a waffle.

So I make a waffle. Ask her to come to the table and she absolutely flips her shit going into a wild rage screaming that she wanted a pancake. It's situations like that at school that start her "events". A teach says to do one thing, she does another, the teacher marks her down for it and then she just explodes.

Hmmm...the next time you're in for a checkup, mention this to her doctor. We have a little girl next door to us that acts exactly like that and she actually has Aspergers Syndrome.

http://www.autismedmonton.org/what-is-asperger/characteristics-of-asperger

Don't want to scare you, but it's best to know early.
 

Fritzo

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It would be nice if I could figure out how to separate the online persona from the real one, that would be a big improvement.

I seem to have a hearing problem where I cannot separate peoples voices from the background noise. It is like I am hearing everything at once and cannot focus on one person. Most of the time I just end up doing the smile and nod which can backfire pretty badly depending on what was just said.

I hear ya....er :hmm:

What I love about being married is my wife understands my plight and will often translate squeaky voiced waitresses and cashiers for me :)
 

Jeff7

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I'm also going to paste an excerpt that I feel describes depression better than anything else I've ever come across. From the brilliant David Foster Wallace (another 'funny guy' who killed himself because he just couldn't take it any longer, RIP):


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"The so-called 'psychotically depressed' person who tries to kill herself doesn't do so out of quote 'hopelessness' or any abstract conviction that life's assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant.
The variable here is the other terror, the fire's flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It's not desiring the fall; it's terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling 'Don't!' and 'Hang on!', can understand the jump. Not really.
You'd have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."
Yes, that sounds like a reasonable explanation of it.




Everybody suffers from some form of depression at various times. The only difference is how well they cope with it.
Clinical depression isn't just something to come out of though. It follows you around, stays with you, and then it starts to become a companion. It's always there, even when it feels like no one else is. It's a permanent part of who you are, or indeed it begins to feel as though it is who you are. Thus getting rid of the depression would mean, in a sense, killing yourself. Maybe not physiologically terminating your own life, but destroying the only part left that matters, destroying the only thing that you feel truly represents who you are. Once that's where you are, once that's where you exist, taking your own life can feel like a mere formality. You're already dead, but you just have to suffer through it every day.



It's a place in which no one should ever have to live.


But mental health problems scare people, something along the lines of cancer.
We can handle something like a severely broken bone or a bloody gash on someone's arm. That's visible. It makes sense to our primate brains.
Cancer destroys you at the cellular level.
Mental problems are your brain tearing itself apart.
They're invisible threats, and at some level, they terrify us. In the case of mental health problems, we as a society largely try to bury them and pretend they'll just go away.
 
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Fritzo

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It would be nice if I could figure out how to separate the online persona from the real one, that would be a big improvement.

I seem to have a hearing problem where I cannot separate peoples voices from the background noise. It is like I am hearing everything at once and cannot focus on one person. Most of the time I just end up doing the smile and nod which can backfire pretty badly depending on what was just said.

Yup...exactly my issue.
 

tortillasoup

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for all you depressed people out there (whether you realize it or not), one suggestion I have is to not hold back tears and to save face, to cry privately. It's true that for some people, crying could make things worse but for a lot of people, crying can be a major reliever of built up stress.