WoW shock

[TakeNoPrisoners]

WOW is dull, though. There isn't much variety.

Doesn't matter what someone else thinks of something as long as the individual in question enjoys it.

 

[diesbudt]

Many people also find it extremely entertaining seeing as it is the most popular MMO in the world by far.

I find cable TV boring and refuse to watch it so whatever floats your boat eh?

This is basically proving my point. It is everyones own opinion. Don't enjoy it, don't play it. Simple as that. But calling it boring in the form of a fact is incorrect, I also find cable tv boring outside a few shows I watch (Which I have 1 less show now RIP EUREKA). Why you ask? Because SOOO many sitcoms, and shows use the same exact formula, 9/10 in the first 5-6 minutes of a show I know how the conflict is going to play out. (Mainly because it has to resolve by the end of the episode or 1 more episode at the latest.)

So basically I spend $40-50 (package deal with phone and internet) a month for maybe 6-8 hours of actual watching time a month. ~ $6.42 / hr spent.

 

[Schfifty Five]

If someone gets enjoyment out of the game, $15/month is not a lot at all.

Some people will pay $15 for 2 beers which is at most 1 night's worth of entertainment.

 

[micrometers]

This is a very pointless post.

Stating an opinion as fact is always pointless. Someone can find X entertainment fun, while Y thinks it is dull. It doesn't matter what entertainment you place into the sentence, it will always be true.

And to your previous post, it is a brief escape. No one said they had to play 24/7 to enjoy it, some do, some just play a bit and leave it at that. Playing 1 hour a day is brief. That becomes 7 hours a week. Which becomes 30hrs a month.

Which becomes $0.50 / hr.

A movie ticket w/o popcorn and soda = About $12 at prime time now. (For what 2 hour movies) = $6.00 / hr.

You don't get it, do you? besides the entry price, you pay a price in the time spent on entertainment. Entertainment that is dull and repetitive costs you time that could be spent earning money.

 

[Anteaus]

You don't get it, do you? besides the entry price, you pay a price in the time spent on entertainment. Entertainment that is dull and repetitive costs you time that could be spent earning money.

You mean how people pay for movies, booze to drink, eating out and vacations? Value is completely subjective and thus any attempt to justify or dejustify it's price, whether in time or currency, is completely biased based on personal experiences and opinion.

I make an annual trip to Orlando to ride roller coasters. I'm sure there are those that would consider that a complete waste of money yet might instead spend that same money hunting or fishing. I could argue that every dime spent on alcohol or cigs is more wasteful than paying for 7 years of wow.

Anyways, I'm not trying to push any of those opinions onto people, but statistically speaking, there are anywhere between 8-11 million people who think Wow is neither dull or boring, and they cast that vote monthly. I find it humorous when anyone makes negative generalizations about the game because there is so much evidence to the contrary.

I personally don't understand how anyone can watch American Idol, but every year it continues to amaze me. This is much of the same thing. The difference; I don't go around telling people how stupid they are for watching it.

 

[waggy]

If someone gets enjoyment out of the game, $15/month is not a lot at all.

Some people will pay $15 for 2 beers which is at most 1 night's worth of entertainment.

exactly. for $15 a month its an amount i don't mind paying. its less then going have a beer or two. hell its less then a decent dinner around here.

even at a years worth of wow the amount of hours and fun i have had makes it VERY cheap.

wish beer was as cheap..

 

[Siberian]

If you pay every 6 months , it's only $13 a month.

 

[power_hour]

Your WOW addiction is a small drop in the bucket.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Many people also find it extremely entertaining seeing as it is the most popular MMO in the world by far.

I find cable TV boring and refuse to watch it so whatever floats your boat eh?

Exactly, that's why I got Dish's America's Everything Pak.

I'm not bagging anyone for liking WoW, I have all the expansions and played it for awhile. I just never got in with a good team so it became boring for me after awhile.

 

[flexy]

Amazing to me that people are willing to play the same 5 dungeons over and over again for years on end"

You clearly never played wow...there is A LOT more to it than "playing the same dungeon over and over".

We here might also have some burn-out, used to play wow for years. There is a HUGE social component, we had a guild, made MANY friends we also talk in RL to (and continue to play with in D3 as well) - spent hours/days/weeks raiding, PvPing, lvling and so forth.

Yes it might be true, we might have spent a sh!tload of money and our time on this game already - but to be honest, i have no problems spending money on something which then can provide entertainment for a long time.

If i go to the restaurant around the corner on a Friday night to eat/drink for 2 hrs....i also spend €50 easily for a rather short lived "experience", or countless other stupid things where people spend money without getting anything back really.

Other people come home from work, and their "life" consists of watching TV, some random stupid shows, whatever (we didn't watch TV in approx 5+ years or longer) - or going to a bar until they are drunk. So what?

Do i regret having spent a lot of time and money on wow? No. Not in the slightest.

 

[flexy]

You don't get it, do you? besides the entry price, you pay a price in the time spent on entertainment. Entertainment that is dull and repetitive costs you time that could be spent earning money.

Smart people (like me, lol) make PASSIVE money without having to do anything. In my "peak wow playing times", i had (and still have) multiple websites running making me money 24/7 while i sit on my a$$ at home playing Wow with my wife.

I am aware tho that i can see it being really hard for someone having a "normal job" to get anywhere in Wow or similar games for that matter, PLUS have a normal job/family schedule at the same time. In such cases, one thing will likely influence the other negatively - eg. you have a "life" but suck at wow (naturally)...or you play wow but neglect your family/job/marriage/school etc. (Had a lot of real life examples in our guild where one was playing but their spouse having not the slightest interest in the game, marriage problems etc..etc..). From that P.O.V. i am very, very glad that a) my wife is even more a wow addict than i am b) my job allows me to do this.

 

[thejunglegod]

Earlier, I had a lot of time, but had to ask money from my folks in order to be able to play WOW. Now, I have the money, however only 2 hours of gameplay everyday, excluding Saturdays and Sundays, which i usually spend on outings.
So WoW = a strict no no. Maybe after i retire in around 20 years.

But will admit that I was badly, badly addicted to WOW. To a stage when i used to get up at 3 in the morning to see if the Time-Lost Proto Drake had spawned.

 

[diesbudt]

You don't get it, do you? besides the entry price, you pay a price in the time spent on entertainment. Entertainment that is dull and repetitive costs you time that could be spent earning money.

Does it make you feel better to sound like a broken record calling a game that must have done you wrong dull when it is just your opinion and there is evidence it is still a fun game to many many people. Read some of the other posters here, they are saying the same thing I am.

Also, if all ones time was spent Making money, you would never have time/a reason to spend money. I have a 50hr a week job, 6-figures, decent vaca time. Why would I have any desire to spend my free time making money? That is what entertainment is for. And if I was to find that fun, what gives you the right to say I am wrong, when it is my opinion?

 

[BurnItDwn]

I played on and off since release... I played vanilla a LOT (raided a bunch, leveled a bunch of characters to 60, etc), then when the 1st expac came out, I played quite a bit, leveled 3 of my characters to 70, then the next one came out, I played some more, and leveled 5 or 6 characters to 80, then the next one came out, I got 1 character to 85 .... I don't remember when I last logged on, but I really have no interest in it any more.

 

[r3dsh1ft]

Wow drew me in with its huge landscapes and amazing dungeons. Then a year or two later I woke up one day and thought to myself "I am paying somebody to collect 50 pieces of enchanted ham.. over and over again" I don't think i will pay a monthly for another grind game like Wow. When wow first came out it seemed immense and revolutionary. MMORPGs have a lot on their shoulders to be able to create something that wows us after playing wow. I hope Guild Wars 2 is that title but who knows.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Wow drew me in with its huge landscapes and amazing dungeons. Then a year or two later I woke up one day and thought to myself "I am paying somebody to collect 50 pieces of enchanted ham.. over and over again" I don't think i will pay a monthly for another grind game like Wow. When wow first came out it seemed immense and revolutionary. MMORPGs have a lot on their shoulders to be able to create something that wows us after playing wow. I hope Guild Wars 2 is that title but who knows.

I really thought it was gonna be SWTOR. It turned out horrible.

 

[diesbudt]

I really thought it was gonna be SWTOR. It turned out horrible.

Many people did, however they had a few serious flaws that no one wanted to look at, at first.

1) They wanted to follow really close to the WoW formula as "it works". However following a formula that has been practically perfected by that game, would require just as much of a perfection on it or even to go one step beyond. But it didn't, the polish-ness of SWTOR was that of a Vanilla/BC Wow, and 4-5 years behind its time. Also this formula is getting old, and people are finding 0 interest in any MMOs with this formula. Whether its the more ADD-ridden generation (CoD players) or us growing up and having many more responsibilities not being able to immerse ourselves in a game of this magnitude anymore for long hours.

2) It's strong point (story telling) which made KOTOR1 and 2 great, became an important focal point of the game. However, that only works if the story is continuously growing at such a pace you don't feel like you are waiting months for the "next chapter" to be released. End Game on WoW has some story, but that isn't what keeps the players running the dungeons. With patches not coming out lightning fast, the game dies around max level.

 

[Hacp]

Many people did, however they had a few serious flaws that no one wanted to look at, at first.

1) They wanted to follow really close to the WoW formula as "it works". However following a formula that has been practically perfected by that game, would require just as much of a perfection on it or even to go one step beyond. But it didn't, the polish-ness of SWTOR was that of a Vanilla/BC Wow, and 4-5 years behind its time. Also this formula is getting old, and people are finding 0 interest in any MMOs with this formula. Whether its the more ADD-ridden generation (CoD players) or us growing up and having many more responsibilities not being able to immerse ourselves in a game of this magnitude anymore for long hours.

2) It's strong point (story telling) which made KOTOR1 and 2 great, became an important focal point of the game. However, that only works if the story is continuously growing at such a pace you don't feel like you are waiting months for the "next chapter" to be released. End Game on WoW has some story, but that isn't what keeps the players running the dungeons. With patches not coming out lightning fast, the game dies around max level.

I agree that the WoW model won't produce another hit. People are tired of WoW and need something new. I feel that SWTOR was on the right track with the storytelling aspect, but they didn't execute the concept well. A storytelling type mmo should feel less grindy, at least for leveling. Linearizing the story and removing choices would also make it easier to swallow for the masses. I remember playing levels 1-10 of SWTOR, the first 5 were awesome, the last 5 felt like a chore because I wanted to know what happens next without killing 60 boars and collecting 35 spaceship parts.

 

[diesbudt]

I agree that the WoW model won't produce another hit. People are tired of WoW and need something new. I feel that SWTOR was on the right track with the storytelling aspect, but they didn't execute the concept well. A storytelling type mmo should feel less grindy, at least for leveling. Linearizing the story and removing choices would also make it easier to swallow for the masses. I remember playing the first 10 lvls of SWTOR, the first 5 were awesome, the last 5 felt like a chore because I wanted to know what happens next without killing 60 boars and collecting 35 spaceship parts.

Exactly. This model is done. Blizzard more or less perfected it. And only way to find a new MMO hit (with that being losely defined, as we will never see a game hit 10+million subs ever again) would be to change the formula up, change how an MMO plays.

I got to level 37 SWTOR. Then for 4 days after I would log on, literally take 2-3 steps... feel meh and log off. After 4th day I unsubbed.

 

[micrometers]

Wow drew me in with its huge landscapes and amazing dungeons. Then a year or two later I woke up one day and thought to myself "I am paying somebody to collect 50 pieces of enchanted ham.. over and over again" I don't think i will pay a monthly for another grind game like Wow. When wow first came out it seemed immense and revolutionary. MMORPGs have a lot on their shoulders to be able to create something that wows us after playing wow. I hope Guild Wars 2 is that title but who knows.

When I drop in again for free trials, I still am astounded by teh architecture. It's better than most games. In fact it's better than most modern bioware games like Mass effect.

SWTOR was definitely lacking in grand architecture.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

When I drop in again for free trials, I still am astounded by teh architecture. It's better than most games. In fact it's better than most modern bioware games like Mass effect.

SWTOR was definitely lacking in grand architecture.

That's what irked me the most about SWTOR. Cities were awesome but the rest of the world was pretty much vast emptiness. You spend about 10 minutes driving through barren to your quest objective. I know its supposed to simulate an entire "world" but it doesnt work out nice.

 

[Specop 007]

So I logged into my World of Warcraft account page and totaled the amount I've spent subscribing to wow since 2005 as shown in my transaction history which came to $959.30. Before taxes the base game the three expansions (no collectors editions) came out to ~$170.

$1129.3 for one game. Consdering I've taken periodic breaks and didn't buy any of the fluff from the Wow store, I'm sure there are some that have played since release with a much larger number. Extraordinary.

Just thought I would share. I think we can all see why so many developers are trying to have success in the MMO market.

Ummm....I've done near a third of that in one decent night at one strip club.....1200 for 6 years of entertainment is dirt cheap. DIRT cheap.