WoW question: Dual Wielding

[bpatters69]

Hello folks,

I did try a search but I could not find any good info on dual wielding as a Warrior. I am a 57 Tauren warrior and I was thinking of re-speccing to dual wield. I want to deal more damage until I get to 60 and then I will re-spec to more of a tank build.

Anyone have any feedback on dual wielding? Do you deal more damage? I will check the WoW forum as well but I can't do that at work.

Thanks, Bill

 

[Schadenfroh]

Zerk stance + dual wielding is pretty good damage from what i have heard. You need to have the mod for switching to a slow 2H weapon for when overpower procs and then switch back.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

With my rogue, you could deal more damage over a shorter period of time with dual wield. But I could see how using a slower, but higher dps weapon, could give you the same dps as two duel wield weapons, and possibly the use of a shield at the same time.

 

[StevenYoo]

not sure if you do more damage, but i would dual wield if only for the purpose of having two weapons with stat bonuses.

 

[bpatters69]

The other advantage that I have seen is building aggro much more quickly. I do have a mod for changing between, 2H weps, to 1H with shield and even two weps.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Zerk stance + dual wielding is pretty good damage from what i have heard. You need to have the mod for switching to a slow 2H weapon for when overpower procs and then switch back.

i didn't think you could do that weapon switching thing anymore?

 

[bpatters69]

Yep. I found a program on Curse Gaming called weapon swap. Works with Macros.

 

[Vortex22]

Dual wield fury spec is best for PvE raid DPS. 2H MS spec is best for PvP.

 

[xboxist]

I too started an Orc Warrior over the holiday weekend and have him up to level 24 (yeah, I know).

I think I'm going to give the dual wield/fury a try. The talent that heals you when you're critted by a mob seems very useful.

 

[TGS]

Stance Set, works great for that purpose. I know I could put in a a stance for a big 2 hander for overpower, but I haven't done it yet. I use it mostly for switching from dual wield in battle stance, and my best 1 hander and a shield in defensive stance. I may have to give the overpower a whirl, on a nice two hander I have sitting around. Though looking at the weapon speeds I have a 2.70 sword in my main hand, and a 1.80 mace in my off hand. Seems like I would give up an entire attack chain with it digging into my second chain, with the 1.5(?) global cooldown on weapon switching. I think once I start dipping into the arms tree and pickup the talent to retain rage, I could see more use. I'm a warrior newb so I'm still on the fence on that. I'm definately PvE, my PvP abilities are really next to none. Though I have little experience in tatics, besides a charge, hamstring kinda thing.

 

[Cheetah8799]

Originally posted by: bpatters69
I did try a search but I could not find any good info on dual wielding as a Warrior. I am a 57 Tauren warrior and I was thinking of re-speccing to dual wield. I want to deal more damage until I get to 60 and then I will re-spec to more of a tank build.

You already made it to 57 without dual-wield. Just grind out the last three levels with what you have and save the gold and re-spec costs, then spec for a tank build.

 

[mryellow2]

There's a dw warrior on my server with thunderfury and the chromatic tempered sword. I can't touch his dps over time as a mage =o

 

[Genx87]

I DW and it can be really great or so so depending on your luck of misses.
Most of the time I bet it comes in slightly higher than 2H.
It really depends on your talents. I went with a 17/34 build and it serves its purpose.

Main purpose is to get overpower off and the dps up.

 

[bpatters69]

I have never respecced my warrior so respeccing at this point would only be 1G and then 5G. I agree on the health regen after Crit hit by MOB talent. Gaining a couple hundred XP during a fight can be a life saver.

My weapon inventory right now is a 2H Doombringer which is specced at 49dps. For 1H weps, I have a Viking Warhammer which is 40dps (I think) and a green sword which is specced at 35dps or so. I am not sure what I would lose in terms of tanking ability by switching to dual wield. As long as I can taunt, sunder, etc. I would think I can still do ok

 

[Maliboo]

I personally run a DW warrior. I prefer it over the Cookie Cutter MS build. The only thing you need to get is some % to hit gear and your good to go. I always come in first damage dealt in instances when we run with our guild, unless its MC where the mages can't be beat. Actually Overpower isn't a talent that I use, its mainly for 2h speced warriors. I run in Zerk mode constantly. Bloodthirst is the key. Use it whenever you can. Also leveling while Fury speced is a whole lot simpler than Arms. PvP is completely different with Fury speced. Castors become the easy classes to kill as you swing so much it interrupts their casting. Fighting Arms Warriors and rogues can be the most difficult. Give it a shot you'll like it.

For fun I always get in AB and go reckless and Death Wish on a pair of castors and watch how quick they fall. They have to be thinking what in the world.

 

[Genx87]

Depends on what you are defining as "tanking". If you are doing instances unless you have another warrior you will want to wear a shield. I see a DW in an instance situation as a DPS machine if you have a shield warrior holding aggro.

I prefer DW because it seems to give more satisfaction in PVE solo and PVP. But when in an instance I am always with a shield.

 

[bpatters69]

Originally posted by: Maliboo
I personally run a DW warrior. I prefer it over the Cookie Cutter MS build. The only thing you need to get is some % to hit gear and your good to go. I always come in first damage dealt in instances when we run with our guild, unless its MC where the mages can't be beat. Actually Overpower isn't a talent that I use, its mainly for 2h speced warriors. I run in Zerk mode constantly. Bloodthirst is the key. Use it whenever you can. Also leveling while Fury speced is a whole lot simpler than Arms. PvP is completely different with Fury speced. Castors become the easy classes to kill as you swing so much it interrupts their casting. Fighting Arms Warriors and rogues can be the most difficult. Give it a shot you'll like it.

For fun I always get in AB and go reckless and Death Wish on a pair of castors and watch how quick they fall. They have to be thinking what in the world.

Maliboo,

What is your talent Spec? Also, when you say get "to get is some % to hit gear", do you mean to get gear with Agility vs Strength or Stamina? Thx

One last question. When you respec, do you have to pay additonal gold for each talent or am I getting talents confused with abilities?

 

[Maliboo]

Originally posted by: bpatters69

Originally posted by: Maliboo
I personally run a DW warrior. I prefer it over the Cookie Cutter MS build. The only thing you need to get is some % to hit gear and your good to go. I always come in first damage dealt in instances when we run with our guild, unless its MC where the mages can't be beat. Actually Overpower isn't a talent that I use, its mainly for 2h speced warriors. I run in Zerk mode constantly. Bloodthirst is the key. Use it whenever you can. Also leveling while Fury speced is a whole lot simpler than Arms. PvP is completely different with Fury speced. Castors become the easy classes to kill as you swing so much it interrupts their casting. Fighting Arms Warriors and rogues can be the most difficult. Give it a shot you'll like it.

For fun I always get in AB and go reckless and Death Wish on a pair of castors and watch how quick they fall. They have to be thinking what in the world.

Maliboo,

What is your talent Spec? Also, when you say get "to get is some % to hit gear", do you mean to get gear with Agility vs Strength or Stamina? Thx

One last question. When you respec, do you have to pay additonal gold for each talent or am I getting talents confused with abilities?

I can't tell you where exactly my points are spent but the breakdown is 18/33/0. I can take a look tonight. When I say % to hit gear that is exactly what I mean. The Fury Helm from the last warrior quest has 18str, 1% to crit and 1% to hit. The Main problem with DW is that you go from a 9% to miss with a 2H to a 25% to miss with DW. So cutting down that chance to miss is huge. Everytime you miss that is lost damage. I also have a cloak from ZG from the Snake Boss that came with a chance to hit as well as a ring but I cant remember where I picked it up.

When you respec to Fury the only training that should be required is Bloodthirst and it is relatively cheap. Maybe another 1.5G.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

 

[bpatters69]

Originally posted by: Maliboo

Originally posted by: bpatters69

Originally posted by: Maliboo
I personally run a DW warrior. I prefer it over the Cookie Cutter MS build. The only thing you need to get is some % to hit gear and your good to go. I always come in first damage dealt in instances when we run with our guild, unless its MC where the mages can't be beat. Actually Overpower isn't a talent that I use, its mainly for 2h speced warriors. I run in Zerk mode constantly. Bloodthirst is the key. Use it whenever you can. Also leveling while Fury speced is a whole lot simpler than Arms. PvP is completely different with Fury speced. Castors become the easy classes to kill as you swing so much it interrupts their casting. Fighting Arms Warriors and rogues can be the most difficult. Give it a shot you'll like it.

For fun I always get in AB and go reckless and Death Wish on a pair of castors and watch how quick they fall. They have to be thinking what in the world.

Maliboo,

What is your talent Spec? Also, when you say get "to get is some % to hit gear", do you mean to get gear with Agility vs Strength or Stamina? Thx

One last question. When you respec, do you have to pay additonal gold for each talent or am I getting talents confused with abilities?

I can't tell you where exactly my points are spent but the breakdown is 18/33/0. I can take a look tonight. When I say % to hit gear that is exactly what I mean. The Fury Helm from the last warrior quest has 18str, 1% to crit and 1% to hit. The Main problem with DW is that you go from a 9% to miss with a 2H to a 25% to miss with DW. So cutting down that chance to miss is huge. Everytime you miss that is lost damage. I also have a cloak from ZG from the Snake Boss that came with a chance to hit as well as a ring but I cant remember where I picked it up.

When you respec to Fury the only training that should be required is Bloodthirst and it is relatively cheap. Maybe another 1.5G.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks Maliboo. You mentioned the last warrior quest and the fury helm being the reward. Are you referring to the quest that you pick up at Swamp of Sorrows (where Sunken Temple is)?

Thanks, Bill

 

[Maliboo]

Yes that is the one from the Dead Hero I believe. Its a short chain that does not take very long and is easy for a high 50's warrior. The last part is also easy to accomplish, which is inside the Sunken Temple. Once you get to 59-60 start hitting up Stratholme and Scholomance for those Valor Pieces. I believe the Gloves, Bracers and Leggings are all from Strat.

Maliboo

 

[mOeeOm]

What server do you guys play on? I play on dunemaul and so far have a level 32 human warrior, but dunemaul is a low population server with 14k characters, unlike bleeding hallow which has 22k.

Which do you feel is more fun? Low pop or high pop? Often I can't find a party so I have to beg level 50+ to help me do quests ...which is not fun, but the low pop = no lag, no ganking and the server up all the time.

 

[Velk]

There is no dual wield combination superior to the arcanite reaper that can be collected without a raid.

So, most likely you are wasting your time.

 

[Maliboo]

Originally posted by: Velk
There is no dual wield combination superior to the arcanite reaper that can be collected without a raid.

So, most likely you are wasting your time.

I was waiting for that post. What part is better? There are so many aspects to playing your character that a generalization isn't necessarily correct. Burst damage, yea i'll give you that one. Constant damage over time, i'm not too sure. Go out to www.warcraftmovies.com and check out a character named George. He is DW speced and does about 135k dmg in a couple minutes in BWL. I've actually done both the MS and Fury warrior. Albeit I had the Doomsaw which isn't the Reaper but pretty darn close and I believe that the Fury spec is better for leveling/soloing/off tanking. Pre-Patch 1.7 the AR was an awesome weapon only to be beaten by some end game epics. Have you ever run with an Anhillator(sp) and a Heartseeker? Its a pretty decent combination. Have you ever played Fury spec?

Maliboo

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Maliboo

Originally posted by: Velk
There is no dual wield combination superior to the arcanite reaper that can be collected without a raid.

So, most likely you are wasting your time.

I was waiting for that post. What part is better? There are so many aspects to playing your character that a generalization isn't necessarily correct. Burst damage, yea i'll give you that one. Constant damage over time, i'm not too sure. Go out to www.warcraftmovies.com and check out a character named George. He is DW speced and does about 135k dmg in a couple minutes in BWL. I've actually done both the MS and Fury warrior. Albeit I had the Doomsaw which isn't the Reaper but pretty darn close and I believe that the Fury spec is better for leveling/soloing/off tanking. Pre-Patch 1.7 the AR was an awesome weapon only to be beaten by some end game epics. Have you ever run with an Anhillator(sp) and a Heartseeker? Its a pretty decent combination. Have you ever played Fury spec?

Maliboo

I'll have to agree with Velk actually.
The problem with DW is that you need so much +hit equipment to really become effective, and good +hit eq is hard to find outside MC or higher instances.
I like DW, but I wouldn't really recommend it for anything but the coolness factor until you can start getting some really good gear.
Also, good DW/Warr weapons aren't exactly plentiful in WoW, you'll be competing with rogues and sometimes hunters for lots of swords, the only weapons that are somewhat "yours" are 1h axes.

 

[TGS]

I've been eyeballing for +hit gear, and so far I've only seen a few items drop from princess and AV rewards.