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Wow, possibly a nuclear reaction out of acetone!

adlep

adlep

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Hope it is true, no more nuclear waste + cheap nuclear fuel
possibly it will power our cars he he
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What I want to know is where all that 10 million degrees went... I mean 10 million degrees is a lot of degrees. Even a few molecular fusions should have at least blown up their nail-polish-in-a-beaker apparatus, no?
 
I've heard of sonoluminescence before, but unfortunately this is already starting to reak of the 1989 cold fusion debacle. The APS is reporting that a team has already repeated the experiment with superior detection equipment, and did not find the same results.



<< What I want to know is where all that 10 million degrees went... I mean 10 million degrees is a lot of degrees >>

Those bubbles in which the reactions are occuring are highly localized to a fraction of a micron.


<< Even a few molecular fusions should have at least blown up their nail-polish-in-a-beaker apparatus, no >>

No, a single d-d fusion event yields aroud 4 MeV, which is 6.4 * 10^-13 Joules....if converted entirely into thermal energy of the solution, that would raise the temperature of 1kg of water by 1.5 * 10^-16 degrees C. You would need roughly 6500 trillion events to raise the temperature by 1 degree C.
 
so... how is this of any use if the water doesn't boil??? we need to end up with electrical energy, which requires a lot of heat (boiled water) which this doesn't appear to provide. Or is this interesting just for the "seemingly-cold" fusion created?
 
PFFFF* (Said with spittle). This nuclear reaction doesn't fit into my grand scheme. Therefore it does not exist unless I decide it does. According to my law of incremental integers, 1 + 1 = 2!! not 3! These people are quacks who do not understand my laws. Hopefully this will disambiguate this misconception.
 


<< What I want to know is where all that 10 million degrees went... I mean 10 million degrees is a lot of degrees. Even a few molecular fusions should have at least blown up their nail-polish-in-a-beaker apparatus, no? >>



You are referring to a particle temperature. A particle temperature is a measure of the energy of that particular particle or set of particles. In other words, in the supposed fusion reaction, a few particles reached 10 million degrees. One reaction has very little impact overall on the average temperature of the containing environment (in this case acetone).

What is needed is a plethora of fusion reactions or a higher "density" of reactions to raise the bulk temperature of the containing medium to a point of phase-change which then provides a potential for energy extraction that we consider useful. In this case if enough fusion reactions occurred, the acetone may be made to evaporate and then the resulting force of expansion due to pressure increase could be made to generate electricity.

One must be careful with nuclear experiments. Mistakes can lead to orders of magnitude differentials in expected output which can be quite hazardous to the surrounding environment...and those standing around in it. One does not simply immediately try to extract the maximum amount of reaction available in a medium. That leads to disaster. One tries to estimate and control reactions or one makes headlines in a bad way.

It is also possible to use high particle energy to perform other useful things. One example is found in the jewelry industry. A blue color in topaz is highly desired. If you subject lower grade topaz to nuclear radiation of a certian kind, it cause the topaz to change structure and become more blue. This is all done without translations of the energy to different forms (except inside the crystal structure of the topaz of course). The side effect of this process is that metallic impurities in the topaz become activated to some extent.

Perhaps a fusion reaction in acetone can produce effects other than direct production of energy even at a low level.

Nuclear polish remover anyone?
 
"Perhaps a fusion reaction in acetone can produce effects other than direct production of energy even at a low level."

key point here. This is basic research science and no-one at this point has even contemplated scaling up to a production reaction. Its unfortuante that press releases along the lines of Cold Fusion 2.0 may dissuade serious consideration of a new angle on basic science. So far all that has been produced is experimental evidence and an editor's headlines...
 
can someone find a vid of this???? that would be freak'n sweet to see those bubbles impode and then emit light...... or I'm sure that you could also get the same effect w/ some X and staring at a pot of boiling water for a while 😀


But on a more serious note..... this procedure does have a long way to go b/f we can use it..... whatever reaction occurded seemed to creat very little energy..... this could be great b/c it would mean that the scientists would have a way to control these fusion reactions but this could also mean that they did nothing more than witness the breakdown of actone due to waves 🙁
 
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