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Wow. Pakistan training Al Qaeda.

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It shouldn't really be a surprise though. Remember, the Pakistani ISI funded lead 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta as well (ABC NEWS, INDIA TIMES).


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld...ll=la-headlines-world&track=crosspromo




Terrorism Defendant Cites Fear of Pakistan
A suspect on trial in Britain in a bomb plot halts his testimony about the South Asian nation's spy agency and says relatives are at risk.
By Sebastian Rotella and Janet Stobart, Times Staff Writers
September 20, 2006


LONDON ? A major terrorism trial here was interrupted Tuesday when a defendant accused Pakistan's intelligence service of threatening his relatives in the South Asian nation after he testified that the spy agency played a role in training Islamic militants.

Omar Khyam, an accused leader among seven men charged in 2004 with stockpiling half a ton of explosives in an Al Qaeda-linked bombing plot, took the stand Tuesday long enough to refuse to continue his testimony. The judge temporarily adjourned the trial, which began in March.



On Monday, Khyam stunned his own lawyer when he declared that his relatives in Pakistan had been intimidated in recent days by agents of the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency, which has a shadowy history of contacts with Islamic extremist networks.

"The ISI has had words with my family in Pakistan regarding what I have been saying" about the agency, Khyam, 24, said on the stand Monday. "I think they are worried I might end up revealing more about them, and right now the priority has to be the safety of my family there."

"I am not going to discuss anything related to the ISI anymore or my evidence," he said.

Despite longtime allegations that Pakistani agents have trained Islamic militants and protected fugitive Al Qaeda leaders, Khyam's testimony provided a rare account in a Western courtroom about the ISI's role in militant training camps. His accusation also raised concerns that Pakistani intelligence officials might be seeking to disrupt a significant prosecution of alleged Islamic extremism in Europe.

There was no evidence presented to suggest that the ISI had links to preparations in Pakistan for the alleged plan to bomb a nightclub and shopping center in the London area. But Khyam's allegation raises the possibility that he had been on the verge of revelations related to the case, which has parallels and suspected links to last year's bombings on the London transportation system and a recent alleged plot to attack transatlantic airliners, observers said.

"We are in uncharted territory here," said Sajjan Gohel of the Asia-Pacific Foundation, a counter-terrorism think tank here. "It hasn't happened before. The ISI has always been a murky organization. There have always been suspicions of a nexus between them, terror groups in Pakistan and Al Qaeda. But here you have a guy from the UK giving testimony that is very relevant because the ISI is supposed to be the key ally in the hunt for [Osama] bin Laden. And it's concerning that a country that is supposed to be an ally in the war on terror is intimidating witnesses, almost 'Godfather'-style."

Pakistani diplomats in London did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

If the allegations about intimidation are true, they raise troubling implications for the trial and the other pending cases involving British suspects of Pakistani origin with alleged connections to terrorist networks in Pakistan ? as well as family ties there.

It is almost unprecedented in a British court for a defendant to cite fear of a foreign government as an obstacle to testifying, said Rhiannon Talbot, a professor at Newcastle University and an expert on terrorism law.

"It's not unusual for a witness to refuse to give testimony in cases of organized crime, but it is unusual for a defendant to do so," Talbot said.

Talbot and court officials said the trial was likely to continue Thursday with a new defendant testifying.

Khyam's defense appears to be over, however.

Khyam is a central figure in the case. In 2003, he led defendants on a trip to a Pakistani training camp near Afghanistan and met with a top Al Qaeda figure who told him to carry out attacks in Britain, according to prosecution witnesses. Wiretaps played in court documented his conversations about scenarios, including the possible bombing of London's biggest nightclub to massacre patrons.

Khyam readily admitted during testimony last week that, as he became radicalized, he had set off for Pakistan in 2000 to become a holy warrior. "A lot of my family were officers in the military and the ISI" and encouraged his aspirations, he testified.

After telling his family here that he was going to France to study, he made his way to a training camp in the mountains above the Pakistani city of Rawalpindi. He spent three months learning firearms skills and guerrilla tactics for combat, according to his testimony. He said ISI operatives had provided explosives training at the camp but that he did not learn those skills.

"People there were selected by the ISI," Khyam testified. "The ISI works with Islamic groups. The group I was with, they wouldn't let us train with the local Pakistanis. There would be a separate camp for the foreigners."

The Islamic militants were being prepared for combat in Kashmir, where Pakistani security forces deploy them in "a proxy war" with India over the contested region, he testified.

"The ISI was setting up training camps in what we call Free Kashmir, funding it with money and weapons, and people that would train people, and logistical supplies, everything," he told the court.

Kashmir, along with Bosnia-Herzegovina and the Russian republic of Chechnya, is one of the battlegrounds that has provided a multinational flow of aspiring Islamic militants to Al Qaeda and its allies.

Khyam testified that he did not reach Kashmir. His Pakistani relatives, alerted by his worried parents here, used intelligence service connections to track him down, he said.

He returned to Britain, where prosecutors allege the cell came together. His group made trips to Pakistan in 2003 for training, logistical support and direction from Al Qaeda-connected networks, prosecutors said.

Khyam denies any role in a bomb plot. But the abrupt halt to his defense has raised new questions.

"Khyam has revealed more information than was expected," said Gohel of the Asia-Pacific Foundation. "He has given a lot of insight into how very many British Muslims have been recruited?. I think everyone was shocked. The question now is whether the whole truth will come out."


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rotella@latimes.com


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Rotella reported from Paris and Stobart from London.
 
One of the reasons we couldn't afford Bush's personal war with Saddam.

Besides the cost in dollars and morale, we also have emboldened our enemies because we've revealed some of our weaknesses.



 
The Pakistanis are experts at playing all sides for their own gain. The joke of the century was Musharaff's claim that the Sam Walton of the nuclear trade viz. AK Khan operated without the knowledge of the Pakistani army. The tragedy was that the West bought this at face value.

All countries have an army. It is only the Pakistani army that has a country.

Unfortunately, the Iraq war has distracted from the actual war on terror, as Tom contends. We should have been turning the screws on the weasel Musharaff and Pakistan, not the idiot Saddam.
 
Originally posted by: tvarad
All countries have an army. It is only the Pakistani army that has a country.
Just FYI
The 1949 political Constitution guarantees its citizens legal equality, freedom of expression, of meeting, of press, and the right to form organizations; furthermore, it guarantees these rights to all Costa Rican citizens and to all foreigners living in Costa Rica, saving the right to vote for nationals, only.
The Constitution prohibits the establishment of an army, which places Costa Rica among the very few, if not the only country in the world, free from military forces and interests. Social order is efficiently safeguarded by the police force.
I love that place. Can't wait to get back there soon.


 
Here's Musharaff two-timing the Bush administration:

U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

He now feels either Pakistan is strong enough to stand up to the U.S. or that Bush is too weak to retaliate. Or perhaps it's a response to today's news that the U.S. would send troops into Pakistan in pursuit of Al-Qaeda/Taliban.

The Pakistanis are masters of this game. They got their a**es whipped in 1971 by India and played the same game until they got their POWs back and then embarked on a long term plan to acquire nukes and destabilize India. The U.S. should learn a lesson from this and turn the screws on the Generals. The source of the world's terror problems is Pakistan. Fix Pakistan and the terror threat diminishes significantly.
 
Another U.S. ally showing their support for us.
Nice job, Republicans. How's it feel to have turned the U.S. into a weak, powerless turd that has to take crap on a daily basis from the likes of a two-bit commie and anyone else who feels like spitting on it.
 
Originally posted by: tvarad
Here's Musharaff two-timing the Bush administration:

U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

He now feels either Pakistan is strong enough to stand up to the U.S. or that Bush is too weak to retaliate. Or perhaps it's a response to today's news that the U.S. would send troops into Pakistan in pursuit of Al-Qaeda/Taliban.

The Pakistanis are masters of this game. They got their a**es whipped in 1971 by India and played the same game until they got their POWs back and then embarked on a long term plan to acquire nukes and destabilize India. The U.S. should learn a lesson from this and turn the screws on the Generals. The source of the world's terror problems is Pakistan. Fix Pakistan and the terror threat diminishes significantly.

This is said in auxillery fashion to your completely reasonable opinion.

Within the context of the Bush Hunta's "War on Terror" scam, that fuzzy world of total lies and psyops directed equally at both their "Axis of Evil" boogeymen and the West's sheeple simultaneously, they move their patsies Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden around to the next soveriegn Nation they plan on going to war with outside our Constitutional process. See they can't take on all at once the world's 1.2 billion Muslims who have vowed never to submit to outside control.(Globalism)(One World Government).

If you are keen so far on the situation, you'll remember the backdoor given to Osama at Kandahar into Pakistan. And the C-130 airlift of thousands of Al Qaeda and Taliban from there stronghold in northeastern Afghanistan over to Pakistan. Now in Pakistan, Al Qaeda is preparing for their next mission as ownage of the USA/Israeli/British war machine. Al Qaeda gets payed in gold bullion for their work as patsies.

They will build "terrorist training camps" in the next targeted Nation and we'll see all the satellite photos and hear and see all these Al Qaeda patsies on television threatening the West. There's at least 60 "terrorist harboring" Nations on the list to be conquered. There has to be a management plan to do all of them consecutively. They need to set up specific threats in each targeted Nation timed with the War Machine's ability to take them out. Cheney says this will be a 100 year war. So they have 200 IQ geniuses planning all this stuff way ahead of time.

Pakistan is always just one coup de etat away from becoming the next boogeyman Nation. They can set up Mushareff in a palatial estate somewhere on ex-dictator row on some street on some tropical island somewhere. I suspect Iran's current leader has made the same arrangements. Only there the nukes give plenty of pretext for a war on them.
 
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Sweet! Now that we know that Al Qaeda is in Pakistan, let's go bomb Brazil!

The people of Brazil seek freedom?

All jokes aside, was it Bush that said people and fish can live together?
 
Without the threat of al-Qaeda, the GOP wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
 
This is from india news, india hates pakistan, so maybe there is some bias in these claims as well you might consider.
 
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: tvarad
All countries have an army. It is only the Pakistani army that has a country.
Just FYI
The 1949 political Constitution guarantees its citizens legal equality, freedom of expression, of meeting, of press, and the right to form organizations; furthermore, it guarantees these rights to all Costa Rican citizens and to all foreigners living in Costa Rica, saving the right to vote for nationals, only.
The Constitution prohibits the establishment of an army, which places Costa Rica among the very few, if not the only country in the world, free from military forces and interests. Social order is efficiently safeguarded by the police force.
I love that place. Can't wait to get back there soon.


Iceland doesn't have a military too. Their 700 police officers don't carry weapons and many have another part time job, as crime rate is virtually zero.
 
Originally posted by: Tango
Iceland doesn't have a military too. Their 700 police officers don't carry weapons and many have another part time job, as crime rate is virtually zero.
Cool.

On topic: Given the Pakistan problem, perhaps we should be working much harder on our diplomatic relations with India?
 
So where are the calls that the LA Times is a biased left wing paper?

They're obviously trying to undermine our strong alliance with a partner in The Global War on Terror. :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: Termagant
So where are the calls that the LA Times is a biased left wing paper?

They're obviously trying to undermine our strong alliance with a partner in The Global War on Terror. :disgust:

The LA Times is a biased left wing paper relying on the biased anti-Pakistani government of India, happy?

This should be no suprise since it is most likely someone within the Pakistan government that saved Osama's ass when we launched cruise missiles at him.
 
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