Wow, on paper this camera looks great - Pentax K10D

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Not to mention there isn't much of a market for used Pentax lenses, and since 100% of my lenses were bought used to save a boat load of money, not having a used lens market for Pentax would be a HUGE downer. I guess someone would just have to create a Buy/Sell forum for Pentax mount

Not much of a used market? What about every Pentax lens ever made? Never mind the fact that you can't even find a deal on a used Canon or Nikon lens. I've seen used lenses go for more on ebay than they cost new at some place like sigma4less.com.

When is the last time you've seen a huge market for used Sigma, Tamron, and Tokina lenses in Pentax mount? When's the last time you've seen a huge market for used, current Pentax lenses? Sure, there's every Pentax lens ever made, but way too many of them use really old and outdated technology. They're great for getting sharpness on the cheap, but for people who are used to things like USM, HSM, or even autofocus for that matter, they're unacceptable.

If you can't find a good deal on used lenses, you're not looking hard enough. I'm not talking about eBay, because you'll always get the deal-ruiner who bids higher than retail, I'm talking about forums.

If I sold all my lenses right now I'd break even at least. I have more than a fair chance of getting more than I paid for them.

Tried that, all the lenses that I was looking for weren't a bargain on forums either. Maybe I'm not looking at the same glass. You said you break even - to me that means they have a high resale value. Which is my point. Your last two paragraphs are contradictory.

 

[GoSharks]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
5. 1.6x crop factor. GREAT for people like me who can always use more reach. Makes the somewhat dim and small viewfinder worth it.

1.6x or 1.5x? AFAIK, only Canon uses 1.6x, everybody else is 1.5x, as are Pentax's previous cameras. 1.5x is actually better, wide angle is much more difficult to get than telephoto, IMO. Not a huge difference, but noticable.

Take Pentax's 16-45.
16*1.5=24mm
16*1.6 = 25.6mm.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: GOSHARKS

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
5. 1.6x crop factor. GREAT for people like me who can always use more reach. Makes the somewhat dim and small viewfinder worth it.

1.6x or 1.5x? AFAIK, only Canon uses 1.6x, everybody else is 1.5x, as are Pentax's previous cameras. 1.5x is actually better, wide angle is much more difficult to get than telephoto, IMO. Not a huge difference, but noticable.

Take Pentax's 16-45.
16*1.5=24mm
16*1.6 = 25.6mm.

I stand corrected. It's 1.5x. Still, it ain't far off

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Tried that, all the lenses that I was looking for weren't a bargain on forums either. Maybe I'm not looking at the same glass. You said you break even - to me that means they have a high resale value. Which is my point. Your last two paragraphs are contradictory.

That could be a reason. The glass that I often look for are just third party stuff that you see in my sig. My main place to get glass is FredMiranda's Buy/Sell forum.

By break even I mean that I got them for such a nice price that I will at least break even when I sell them. More likely than not I'll actually be able to earn some extra cash. It's all relative. If a lens is selling for $700 new, and $650-$670 used for 5-year-old version, getting that lens for $600, while still expensive, is nonetheless a good deal, and considering that the prices of used and new lenses don't degrade all that much, in a few years I may be able to sell that $600 lens for $650. IMO getting all that use out of a lens and then being able to at least break even when you sell it off again is really nice.

When I buy glass it usually takes me a long time. For example, I went about 3-4 months checking out prices for my Bigma. My Sigma 12-24mm I just got insanely lucky on. My Tamron 180mm I got lucky on as well because it was an eBay listing that everyone seemed to have overlooked. Luck goes hand in hand with being at the right place at the right time, which takes time.

It also depends on what people feel is saving a "lot" of money. I'm happy saving $50-$100+ by going used. Others may feel that the savings are not worth the risk of a used lens.

 

[ElFenix]

hands on preview

i might have to return the XTi i picked up on sunday

supersonic motor lenses coming out this year, it says

 

[yhelothar]

looks like a winner!
I'm tempted to switch my *istDS for it!
The 22-bit ADC looks the most appealing to me. I'm sick of the low dynamic range my DSLR provides.

 

[Czar]

the slim pancake lenses look very promising, as does the body itself

 

[Nyati13]

The Sony A100 has already done in-body IS, and anti-dust. Not sure about the weather sealing. And the Sony can use any Minolta Maxxum lens, and Sony is pushing out a series of new Carl Zeiss lenses on the good old A-Mount.
The 2 (now discontinued) Konica Minolta digitals (the 7D and the 5D) both had the in-body IS, and can use all of the A-mount lenses, and are dirt cheap now that KM has closed their camera business.

I thought Pentax used a 4/3rds system which leads to it being a bit off from a regular SLR format.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Nyati13

The Sony A100 has already done in-body IS, and anti-dust. Not sure about the weather sealing. And the Sony can use any Minolta Maxxum lens, and Sony is pushing out a series of new Carl Zeiss lenses on the good old A-Mount.
The 2 (now discontinued) Konica Minolta digitals (the 7D and the 5D) both had the in-body IS, and can use all of the A-mount lenses, and are dirt cheap now that KM has closed their camera business.

I thought Pentax used a 4/3rds system which leads to it being a bit off from a regular SLR format.

Pentax never used the 4/3rds system. That's exclusive to olympus.
Pentax can use every single lens they've ever made from the 1960s. And those lenses are no slouches, as Pentax used to run neck to neck with zeiss back in the day, but at the same time, are also dirt cheap on ebay.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
looks like a winner!
I'm tempted to switch my *istDS for it!
The 22-bit ADC looks the most appealing to me. I'm sick of the low dynamic range my DSLR provides.

It's going to be interesting to see what's up with that 22-bit ADC, as JPEG and RAW will be downsampled.

 

[tfinch2]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091410leicadigilux3.asp

Yum, overpriced Leica in 4/3's.

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Nyati13

The Sony A100 has already done in-body IS, and anti-dust. Not sure about the weather sealing. And the Sony can use any Minolta Maxxum lens, and Sony is pushing out a series of new Carl Zeiss lenses on the good old A-Mount.
The 2 (now discontinued) Konica Minolta digitals (the 7D and the 5D) both had the in-body IS, and can use all of the A-mount lenses, and are dirt cheap now that KM has closed their camera business.

I thought Pentax used a 4/3rds system which leads to it being a bit off from a regular SLR format.

Pentax never used the 4/3rds system. That's exclusive to olympus.
Pentax can use every single lens they've ever made from the 1960s. And those lenses are no slouches, as Pentax used to run neck to neck with zeiss back in the day, but at the same time, are also dirt cheap on ebay.

Or not so cheap. Used to be you could get pretty good deals, prices have roughly doubled since the *ist DS/DL came out.

And you can go back to the 1950s if you want, with an M42 adapter

 

[Nyati13]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Nyati13

The Sony A100 has already done in-body IS, and anti-dust. Not sure about the weather sealing. And the Sony can use any Minolta Maxxum lens, and Sony is pushing out a series of new Carl Zeiss lenses on the good old A-Mount.
The 2 (now discontinued) Konica Minolta digitals (the 7D and the 5D) both had the in-body IS, and can use all of the A-mount lenses, and are dirt cheap now that KM has closed their camera business.

I thought Pentax used a 4/3rds system which leads to it being a bit off from a regular SLR format.

Pentax never used the 4/3rds system. That's exclusive to olympus.
Pentax can use every single lens they've ever made from the 1960s. And those lenses are no slouches, as Pentax used to run neck to neck with zeiss back in the day, but at the same time, are also dirt cheap on ebay.

Yup, I was mis-remembering. 4/3rds is Olympus, but there was another company that put out a 4/3rds at one point, I thought it was Pentax, but was wrong on that.
Anyway, the Pentax K100 already had in-body IS as well, I also found that out when I looked.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Nyati13

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Nyati13

The Sony A100 has already done in-body IS, and anti-dust. Not sure about the weather sealing. And the Sony can use any Minolta Maxxum lens, and Sony is pushing out a series of new Carl Zeiss lenses on the good old A-Mount.
The 2 (now discontinued) Konica Minolta digitals (the 7D and the 5D) both had the in-body IS, and can use all of the A-mount lenses, and are dirt cheap now that KM has closed their camera business.

I thought Pentax used a 4/3rds system which leads to it being a bit off from a regular SLR format.

Pentax never used the 4/3rds system. That's exclusive to olympus.
Pentax can use every single lens they've ever made from the 1960s. And those lenses are no slouches, as Pentax used to run neck to neck with zeiss back in the day, but at the same time, are also dirt cheap on ebay.

Yup, I was mis-remembering. 4/3rds is Olympus, but there was another company that put out a 4/3rds at one point, I thought it was Pentax, but was wrong on that.
Anyway, the Pentax K100 already had in-body IS as well, I also found that out when I looked.

4/3's is Olympus, Panasonic, Leica, and rumored soon to be Fuji.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091410leicadigilux3.asp

Yum, overpriced Leica in 4/3's.

don't forget the panasonic

i like what dpreview says at the end of the C-LUX1 stat sheet

It's a Panasonic FX01, with a red dot badge

canon G7 gets a solid 'meh'




edit: wtf, the xti has the digic II but the new compacts get the digic III?

 

[kalster]

what is the point of the g7, isnt the s2/s3IS better for less?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: kalster
what is the point of the g7, isnt the s2/s3IS better for less?

extra ISOs, more megapixels, bigger sensor (so we'll see how the noise is, but it's probably lower), hot shoe, two custom modes available, weighs less, better af, exposure bracketing (not sure if S3 has this), bigger lcd (though doesn't flip out), better viewfinder, probably a sharper lens (really important), and somewhat more pocketable.

but, the problem with it is that canon doesn't want to hurt d-reb sales, so they've kept out the raw format (and the lens doesn't go wide enough). otherwise, it might be the best carry around camera to complement a dslr (particularly a rebel, as it uses the same battery). so that title probably remains with the S70 (which uses the same battery and the same memory cards as the xt and xti, and features a tack sharp lens, all the manual controls you could want, raw file format, and a truly wide angle lens)


i have to wonder if firmware hacking will allow raw file format, similar to how firmware hacks increased the performance of the original digital rebel, or if i'm just out in left field.

 

[jpeyton]

Let's see what you got Canon, Nikon

Lenses?

 

[foghorn67]

I think I am going to have my dad get the k100d. Looks nice. He needs to make the DSLR jump already. His old Minolta has finally started to give him trouble.
I am sticking with Canon, gotta love lens selection and the market for it.