Wow!!!: Monkey experiment shows sense of Fairness and Justice may be evolutionary not social

[tnitsuj]

from the BBC

 

[OutHouse]

EEEP EEEP give me that grape!!

 

[GnomeCop]

bears on tricycles

'nuff said

 

[dmcowen674]

That's scary because that clearly shows we are going backwards in Evolution now.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
That's scary because that clearly shows we are going backwards in Evolution now.

haha "true dat"

 

[Judgement]

thats pretty cool

 

[tnitsuj]

I thought the most interesting part was that the monkey would do the task and then refuse the reward. I wouldn't have thought an animal was capable of that.

 

[Anubis]

"Scientists say this work suggests that human's sense of justice is inherited and not a social construct."

and why didnt people understand that berore. i thoutght most people beleived that. IMO you woudl have to be a moron not to. laws are BS everyone inherently know right and wrong

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Anubis
"Scientists say this work suggests that human's sense of justice is inherited and not a social construct."

and why didnt people understand that berore. i thoutght most people beleived that. IMO you woudl have to be a moron not to. laws are BS everyone inherently know right and wrong

But...buttt....we wouldn't have morality if it weren't for religion...

 

[glen]

Wow, someone forward that to the California grocery store workers who want to be paid more than other folks.

 

[Looney]

Awesome article, thanks!

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Anubis
"Scientists say this work suggests that human's sense of justice is inherited and not a social construct."

and why didnt people understand that berore. i thoutght most people beleived that. IMO you woudl have to be a moron not to. laws are BS everyone inherently know right and wrong

But...buttt....we wouldn't have morality if it weren't for religion...

somewhat ironically, religion probably comes from evolution as well 😛

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
That's scary because that clearly shows we are going backwards in Evolution now.

It's impossible to go backwards in evolution, it can only go one way.

 

[glen]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Anubis
"Scientists say this work suggests that human's sense of justice is inherited and not a social construct."

and why didnt people understand that berore. i thoutght most people beleived that. IMO you woudl have to be a moron not to. laws are BS everyone inherently know right and wrong

But...buttt....we wouldn't have morality if it weren't for religion...

Not exactly.
You need a god, rather than religion.
This is "justice," which is different than "morality."

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Anubis
"Scientists say this work suggests that human's sense of justice is inherited and not a social construct."

and why didnt people understand that berore. i thoutght most people beleived that. IMO you woudl have to be a moron not to. laws are BS everyone inherently know right and wrong

But...buttt....we wouldn't have morality if it weren't for religion...

somewhat ironically, religion probably comes from evolution as well 😛

To add... "Religion" is the justification for our evolved sense of justice and fairness.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Anubis
"Scientists say this work suggests that human's sense of justice is inherited and not a social construct." and why didnt people understand that berore. i thoutght most people beleived that. IMO you woudl have to be a moron not to. laws are BS everyone inherently know right and wrong

Everyone might know right from wrong, but how you react towards these ideas is a totally different thing.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
That's scary because that clearly shows we are going backwards in Evolution now.

It's impossible to go backwards in evolution, it can only go one way.

Evolution stops when stress isn't put on an organism. Mankind has had almost zero stress (for survival) since the argicultural revolution.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: dmcowen674 That's scary because that clearly shows we are going backwards in Evolution now.

It's impossible to go backwards in evolution, it can only go one way.

Evolution stops when stress isn't put on an organism. Mankind has had almost zero stress (for survival) since the argicultural revolution.

No. Evolution is the "Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species."

AS long as people are reproducing, evolution will NEVER stop.

 

[gopunk]

No. Evolution is the "Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species."

AS long as people are reproducing, evolution will NEVER stop.

it's hypothetically possible that an equilibrium state is reached... i would add the qualification that there must be changes in the environment (which there have been a lot of, since the agricultural revolution)

and to try and put a direction on evolution is somewhat of a misleading thing...

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: dmcowen674 That's scary because that clearly shows we are going backwards in Evolution now.

It's impossible to go backwards in evolution, it can only go one way.

Evolution stops when stress isn't put on an organism. Mankind has had almost zero stress (for survival) since the argicultural revolution.

No. Evolution is the "Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species."

AS long as people are reproducing, evolution will NEVER stop.

The question is what natural selection pressures act on humans? We have sexual selection still occuring but most of the physical selectors like diseases have been eliminated (at least temporarily). This is fairly hotly debated with quite a few in the scientific community believing that natural selection no longer applies to humans and as a result evolution directed by natural pressures are gone and the only selection criteria that exists anymore is sexual selection criteria.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what is stated above but there is debate if evolution of the human species has stopped because of a lack of natural selection.

 

[43st]

I'd argue that natural selection being...

A natural process that results in the survival and reproductive success of individuals or groups best adjusted to their environment and that leads to the perpetuation of genetic qualities best suited to that particular environment.

Is based on an organisms ability to adapt to an environment. Mankind, since the agricultural revolution, has molded his environment to fit his needs, not vise versa.

Any "tribe" that lives in a pre-agriculture state (hunter/gatherer) can in fact show signs of evolution. Any branch of humanity that relies on agriculture will not. Note also that one group is quickly becoming extinct.

Very cool thread we have here. 🙂

 

[glen]

Basically, all you need is genetic variation, and evolution will continue.

 

[stormbv]

"Every being in the universe knows right from wrong." K-Pax

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: glen
Basically, all you need is genetic variation, and evolution will continue.

that's true, but it would progress at an even slower rate than it would normally, right? if the status quo is already an optimal fit between natural and sexual selection pressures... that makes it pretty hard for genetic variations (which would have to be sub-optimal) to make their way in.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: glen
Basically, all you need is genetic variation, and evolution will continue.

A genetic variation is worthless unless it's breed into the entire line, the variation will simply die when the organism dies. Thus, no evolution.