So cutting spending is out of the question as far as your concerned? If my family budget goes beyond what my wife and I make, we cut spending. Why the hell can't the government do that as well? It's not like we can go to our employers and just tell them "well we spent too much last quarter, you're going to need to raise our wages".
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In the Liberal "real world" maybe but i refuse to accept that. In my world when My household has a budget deficit I can't simply raise my rate of pay to my employer to solve it. I have to reduce spending and live within my budget no matter what. If that is good enough for me than it is good enough for my government. The Liberal view that deficits can only be cured by tax increases is pathetic.
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One day it may be that through no fault of your own you will find yourself in real trouble. At that time, I wonder of some kid on line with little life experience may point at you and blame you for your lack of planning.
The fact is that if people have no bread, effectively responding with "let them eat cake" is neither useful nor appropriate.
This government exists in large part to foster the common welfare. I know how you cringe at that. People should NOT be given a check if there is work but there are just so many jobs which pay enough to provide for health care, etc. I think it is in the best interest of the nation for everyone to have access to basic services. Creating a Mexico out of the US (which many seem to be actively advocating) where we eventually wind up with a two class system (two class being defined for this purpose as those who can have servicable healthcare and those who do not as a minimum)is something I oppose.
The problem with a flat tax is that when you take an already insufficient income and make it less that is a genuine hardship. When you tax the rich, it is income that they generally do not miss. You could argue that that isnt fair. You might argue that one person having to pay more than another isn't fair. I would argue that people suffering (and make no mistake that at not having health care can be devistating) in a nation of plenty is unfair.
Given a choice between an injustice where one causes harm and one does not, I will take the latter, if that is how you wish to frame the situation.
If someone would argue for an modified flat tax as Charrison suggested, I would be consider it. The IRS is a system which does not work well. It's reformation or dissolution is something I would like to see.
that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. single mothers are single mothers because they couldn't keep their legs shut until marriage or use effective contraception.
divorced mothers whose husband left them and ran off with the assets are in a slightly different situation, but getting knocked up at 18 to a loser, marrying him, and foregoing your education on the assumption that your husband will always take care of you is only slightly less retarded.
I thought the government exists, in large part, for national defense. All this other crap has been added on due to idle time and "good" intentions.
And chances are, I would be.
I guess I won't be able to agree with you all. I think if someone works hard for a little bit more, they shouldn't be penalized. You think that if someone works hard for a little bit more, it should be taken away and given to someone that did not work as hard. I don't agree with the Robin Hood BS.
If people aren't happy with where they are, they should claw and scrape their way out of that situation, IMO. But that might be too much work I guess. Let them take away the rewards someone else has clawed and scraped for, they obviously don't deserve it.
What?! You can't advocate responsibility here! Some crackwhore on welfare with 14 children and one on the way might read it and be offended that she isn't getting more!
The government is around to keep people like you in check. Report to a medical station for some soma, you seem tense. That's double plus-ungood.
(Yes, I realize I am mixing the two into this one post.)
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Originally posted by: dirtboy
hmmm... well if by some miracle Kerry gets elected, I might just drop my health insurance so I can get it for free.
You'd better believe that's what I am going to do. Along with about 50 million other people. Lets see people complain about deficits after that happens.
I love it.. There is another thread claiming the rich don't pay any taxes, and this one saying a flat tax would cause them to pay less.. Well, which is it?
Hayabusa Rider
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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: dirtboy
hmmm... well if by some miracle Kerry gets elected, I might just drop my health insurance so I can get it for free.
You'd better believe that's what I am going to do. Along with about 50 million other people. Lets see people complain about deficits after that happens.
Be my guest. If you can afford insurance and choose not to have it, then go for it. Do not expect me or others to support you. You have decided not to differentiate between those who do not have coverage because they cannot afford it and those who don't want to spend the money.
I really do not want Uncle Sam being THE single payor. Congressmen do make bad doctors. That does not mean the choice is between that and the system as it stands. If you want to see it as such, again be my guest.
One thing to consider before you count on "free" insurance. You might have a Democratic President, but you WILL have a Republican Congress. To refresh your memory it is they that decide what health care legislation will be, not the President. You would be depending on those like yourself and n0cmonkey for compassion. That is not a comforting thought is it?
Obviously both.
No one has said the Rich don't pay any Taxes. They use every loophole they can find to reduce their Taxes effectively making it as low as they might as well not be paying any Taxes, huge difference.
You guys are great with the Semantics crap but not as many American Sheep falling for it all as before, that get's you guys panties in a bunch.
Unfortunately Flat Taxes as they have been proposed would essentially validate the loopholes that the rich have been exploiting. That is the key word, exploitation. The thing the RBC is experts at, at the expense of the Country they live in. The ultimate pissing and crapping in your own drinking water.
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Not to mention that a flat tax can easily lessen the burden on this section of society by raising the limit in which taxes are paid.
I think the only thing that is strikingly clear is that there cannot be an easy solution. People will continue to make horrible mistakes, and some people will want to reward them for it. Other people will take responsibility and have a greater share of what they have worked for taken away. Take from the rich, give to the poor, keep the middle class in the middle.
And socialist healthcare is another issue entirely, which I expressed my beliefs on in my first post in this thread.
And socialist healthcare is another issue entirely, which I expressed my beliefs on in my first post in this thread.
Nothing is wrong with the Tax laws. The problem is with enforcement. More hands at IRS = bitch slapping of major corps. I say once they are caught, shove so many fines down their throat that no corp will even remotely think of tax fraud. I for one dont want to foot the tax bill of the greedy CEO's. Also Frontline's documentary on the web about tax evasion is awesome!
There is something wrong with the tax laws. They are too complicated for most people to understand.
hows that? does the mere thought of someone [the single mother] accepting responsibility for their actions offend or insult you? hell, if the woman was enough of an idiot to have a child out of wedlock, then she DESERVES what comes to her.
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